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Forbin_Project's time in grade numbers are correct but he has ignored the Time in service requirements, which is only going to be ignored under very special circumstances, primarily the circumstances that he disqualified in his post.

A Lt Col (O5) does only require 3 years in grade, but is required to have 22 years in service before they can be advanced to O6. This means that a 24 year old graduate will be 46 before they come up for Colonel.

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And promotions cause of security clearances. ]Oh and the fact the higher ranks arn't that much time based as ability based. Aka you don't have to be that old to be a General.
I'm curious as to what your experience with the military is (Mine is 10 years, Enlisted, USN.), because my experience does not jive with this. Having a high security clearance as a junior E or O only looks good for advancement, if the bare minimum to do the job does not requires a high security clearance.
I.e. As an Aviation Electrician I was required to have a Confidential security clearance, but one of the birds in my squadrons was a special project bird (Top Secret), that required a Secret clearance just to detach with it so that I could work on my Confidential equipment. Having a Secret clearance while only being required to have a Confidential looked good for advancement, but guaranteed nothing. .

10 years of experience and I know of no one who has been advanced just because of a security clearance. Also eventually there is going to be a point where you are required to have a minimum level of clearance just to advance in rank (Especially in the O ranks.).

My experience also says that time in service is also important to the advancement process. Would you mind pointing out a few of the young Generals/Admirals, who have only filled the time in grade requirements of advancement.


 

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Would you mind pointing out a few of the young Generals/Admirals, who have only filled the time in grade requirements of advancement.
Sure here's a few names for you.

Stephan Decatur became the youngest Captain in the U.S. Navy at age 25

Brigadier General Frederick Castle, age 29

Major-General James M. Gavin, GOC US 82nd Airborne Division age 37

General Elwood Quesada age 40.

Army Air Corps General, Curtis LaMay age 38

Rear Admiral Elmo Russell Zumwalt, Jr. age 44

Brig. Gen Richard C. Sanders age 28


 

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Sure here's a few names for you.
OK, I know that I did not specify it, but my statement was based upon my military experience, and being I've had no life experience from WWII otherwise military experience, if your going to post examples, could you possibly post examples that are little more up to date. At least within the last 2 or 3 decades.


 

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The average life expectancy in Stephan Decatur's era was 37 years.


 

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OK, I know that I did not specify it, but my statement was based upon my military experience, and being I've had no life experience from WWII otherwise military experience, if your going to post examples, could you possibly post examples that are little more up to date. At least within the last 2 or 3 decades.
Oh so since you don't like the answer, now you want to change the question.

Your military experience is at least equal to mine and could possibly be greater since you were in for 10 years so if I could find those examples using google so could you.


 

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The average life expectancy in Stephan Decatur's era was 37 years.
That really has nothing to do with it. He was promoted for his actions.


 

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As far as what I meant by security clearances. Most people I have known end up starting at a higher rank cause of the security clearance not get promoted cause of it.

But then again the show kind of messes up that little issue. Since there is Privates at the SG base. Sorry but that is a load of bull. If your going to go something that secret you either start higher then that or do not get transferred there till your higher.

And as I said. Your top enlisted ranks and top officer ranks do not have a time in service for them. They have a suggested time. But the time in service are for the lower stuff.

Also your job can start you at a higher rank.
Well and also the fact that this is the air force makes somewhat of a difference.

But the issue is Now days they are trying not to promote men. The military is trying to cut back. And one way it to make sure there is not a lot of people up there.

Oh funny enough were missing one point. These people arn't directly tied to the Air Force.
Think of it more like the Delta Force of the Air Force. They may not talk about it a lot but they are off the books. Well until recently in the show.


 

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Sounds like Malozzi is bitter that fans rejected his unentertaining show.

When the show came I read some interviews that made me believe he (or maybe it was some other producer) was an idiot, because of the desire to go "edgier," which almost never works. However, I did respect that they answered a question about fan backlash with the answer that people would either watch or not watch depending upon how good it was.


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That's incredibly bad news. Over the last two seasons, this show went from decent to must-watch for me. Hope they change their minds over the coming months.
It took the show a season and a half but the last 4 episodes it was finally starting to come together and work for me. Mind you it took a season and a half where I wanted to throw the whole thing out an airlock but it did finally start working.


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Yeah call me unhappy.

I like SGU, and from what I'm seeing it doesn't seem the show is losing money or anything. But whatever, If they wanna cut one of their original shows to show the same wrestling 10 other channels are showing, go for it Syfy, one more reason to watch your 2 good shows on hulu and otherwise ignore you entirely.


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I loved SG:1, wasn't much of a fan of SG:A, but gave SG:U a shot - I stopped watching after the second episode. I think it was the "Oh no! We're lost in space, whatever will we do?" plot that turned me away (I liked it when Voyager did it only because they continually got shafted at every turn during the first season but kept hope and didn't go the route of pirating). I think that that specific type of storyline is best left in reserve and pulled out once ever 20yrs or so as its fairly formulaic and predictable.

As for "SyFy" - it's nothing but by-the-book creature/disaster movies these days and to be honest, I don't see these sticking around for much longer either. It's obvious the network is struggling it'll end up just like any other network showing a hodgepodge of titles with no real niche.


 

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I loved SG:1, wasn't much of a fan of SG:A, but gave SG:U a shot - I stopped watching after the second episode. I think it was the "Oh no! We're lost in space, whatever will we do?" plot that turned me away (I liked it when Voyager did it only because they continually got shafted at every turn during the first season but kept hope and didn't go the route of pirating). I think that that specific type of storyline is best left in reserve and pulled out once ever 20yrs or so as its fairly formulaic and predictable.

As for "SyFy" - it's nothing but by-the-book creature/disaster movies these days and to be honest, I don't see these sticking around for much longer either. It's obvious the network is struggling it'll end up just like any other network showing a hodgepodge of titles with no real niche.
Yeah but mostly because they've given up going after their Niche trying to appeal to the middle and there are a ton of channels for that already so their going to lose.


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I gave up on syfy when wrestling started airing,I'm still waiting for someone to explain how that is considered "sci-fi".
That's the reason they changed to SyFy instead of sci fi, they wanted to do m,ore than science fictyion


 

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That and they couldn't Trademark/Copyright the word SciFi up the yingyang for marketing purposes.


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Army Air Corps General, Curtis LaMay age 38
Ha Ha, Bombs-Away LaMay

Are any of these guys post WWII? (since I'm to lazy to look)



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Ha Ha, Bombs-Away LaMay

Are any of these guys post WWII? (since I'm to lazy to look)
It really doesn't matter. The point was that when it's necessary the military has examples of promoting people to high ranking positions that are young in comparison to their fellow senior enlisted/officers.

Is it true that it rarely happens during times of peace? Yes, but in times of peace the military has the time to train/retrain it's personnel. That isn't the case in times of war.

It's also true that in times of peace the military gets scaled back, and if a conflict arises that necessitates an expansion of the existing military, those positions will get filled many times by younger personnel, especially if the proceeding peacetime was decades in length.


 

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GOOD NEWS. GREAT NEWS.
MGM SHOWED SYFY.

There will be 10 more episodes to finish off the series. Starting March 7th on SYFY. We will get our ending. SyFy can go screw themselves but atleast we can get a ending.

To bad I will miss it all but when I get back in 2 years I will have something great to watch. I can't wait.


 

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You know what I would watch? Another SG-1 Movie. I'd buy it the day it came out and love every bit of it. Never liked SGU for pretty much every reason folks listed here. I think I'll go toss SG-1 Episode 200 in right now. Awesome episode.

I guess the kids they were trying to get with dark and depressing didn't even like it that much. Or I guess there were just not that many of them. So Farewell SGU. I shant miss ya.

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I never doubted we would have the last 10 episodes of the season.

Can't sell a 2nd season box set without a complete season.


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You know what I would watch? Another SG-1 Movie. I'd buy it the day it came out and love every bit of it. Never liked SGU for pretty much every reason folks listed here. I think I'll go toss SG-1 Episode 200 in right now. Awesome episode.

I guess the kids they were trying to get with dark and depressing didn't even like it that much. Or I guess there were just not that many of them. So Farewell SGU. I shant miss ya.

NOTE: Does ANYBODY really watch wraslin' anymore??
much as i want some more SG-1 movies, i'd rather get one or two SG:Atlantis movies. especially to wrap up a lot of the loose ends from the end of the series. or give a half decent explanation how by the time of SG:U the stargate program somehow isn't public knowledge yet.


 

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I never doubted we would have the last 10 episodes of the season.

Can't sell a 2nd season box set without a complete season.
Tell that to Highlander Season Six.


 

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much as i want some more SG-1 movies, i'd rather get one or two SG:Atlantis movies. especially to wrap up a lot of the loose ends from the end of the series. or give a half decent explanation how by the time of SG:U the stargate program somehow isn't public knowledge yet.
Adria and Anubis could join forces, to create a new empire out the ashes of both the Ori and the Goa'uld. This time, they plan to attack the Ancients directly. They set up shop in the Pegasus galaxy, and create a new warrior caste from what remains of the Wraith, who now worship Adria and Anubis as their gods.

And we'd finally get to see the Furlings!

That's what I'd want, anyway.


 

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Adria and Anubis could join forces, to create a new empire out the ashes of both the Ori and the Goa'uld. This time, they plan to attack the Ancients directly. They set up shop in the Pegasus galaxy, and create a new warrior caste from what remains of the Wraith, who now worship Adria and Anubis as their gods.
Really? Is that what all people want these days is just retreads of stuff that came before? SGU took the franchise in a new, interesting direction and it turns out people just want retellings of earlier plots.

Dear lord....


 

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I dig SGU, but if this is the big send off for the show, I'd really dig a final episode that ended very badly, like 300 badly.



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Really? Is that what all people want these days is just retreads of stuff that came before? SGU took the franchise in a new, interesting direction and it turns out people just want retellings of earlier plots.

Dear lord....
the 'new and interesting' direction took everything that was wrong with Voyager and the new Battlestar Galactica and dropped it into a successful franchise. so id rather get some more familiar trappings for a Stargate movie than see more of what SG:U has been crapping out.