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Originally Posted by Noble Savage
That's incredibly bad news. Over the last two seasons, this show went from decent to must-watch for me. Hope they change their minds over the coming months.
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I just realized there was a thread about this, all thanks to Nobles reply to it.
I didn't realize there was this much a CoH following of SGU.
So, I Have to quote what Noble said, QFT.
I will say, I hope things do change. Keep in mind guys, that Comcast will be purchasing NBC within a month or so, Comcast is all about the money, and if they look back and see that SGU could have made more money if in a better time slot, it may be back. I have a strong feeling that Comcast is going to replace all of NBC execs. which, since SyFy is owned by NBC....it will all fall into place (evil laugh)
either that, or MGM has other plans, they havn't made an official anouncment yet about the decision, and that usually means they "might" have a backup plan. (maybe, im just twisted, but probally a plant in the new execs that Comcast will be replacing with)
-AG
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You missed out then. We've had threads discussing every episode starting the night they aired.
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Originally Posted by AncientGuardian
I just realized there was a thread about this, all thanks to Nobles reply to it.
I didn't realize there was this much a CoH following of SGU. |
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Originally Posted by AncientGuardian
I just realized there was a thread about this, all thanks to Nobles reply to it.
I didn't realize there was this much a CoH following of SGU. So, I Have to quote what Noble said, QFT. I will say, I hope things do change. Keep in mind guys, that Comcast will be purchasing NBC within a month or so, Comcast is all about the money, and if they look back and see that SGU could have made more money if in a better time slot, it may be back. I have a strong feeling that Comcast is going to replace all of NBC execs. which, since SyFy is owned by NBC....it will all fall into place (evil laugh) either that, or MGM has other plans, they havn't made an official anouncment yet about the decision, and that usually means they "might" have a backup plan. (maybe, im just twisted, but probally a plant in the new execs that Comcast will be replacing with) -AG |
COMCAST is the Devil.
That is all.
Apparently, I play "City of Shakespeare"
*Arc #95278-Gathering the Four Winds -3 step arc; challenging - 5 Ratings/3 Stars (still working out the kinks)
*Arc #177826-Lights, Camera, Scream! - 3 step arc, camp horror; try out in 1st person POV - 35 Ratings/4 Stars
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Originally Posted by Yogi_Bare
COMCAST is the Devil.
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Money is the root of all evil...
and SGU can equal money, so...
Comcast renew SGU?!
I can only hope. sometimes, being evil pays...
(ok, that last one, i didn't intend the pun, but there it is)
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Originally Posted by AncientGuardian
Money is the root of all evil...
and SGU can equal money, so... Comcast renew SGU?! I can only hope. sometimes, being evil pays... (ok, that last one, i didn't intend the pun, but there it is) |
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lmao!
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Your math is faulty. SGU isn't a variable in that equation. Here is the actual math.
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Apparently, I play "City of Shakespeare"
*Arc #95278-Gathering the Four Winds -3 step arc; challenging - 5 Ratings/3 Stars (still working out the kinks)
*Arc #177826-Lights, Camera, Scream! - 3 step arc, camp horror; try out in 1st person POV - 35 Ratings/4 Stars
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perusing previous entries in mallozzi's blog, i'm getting a touch of the sour grapes feeling over what appears to be an end, or at least a significant stalemate, to long term contract work. |
Originally Posted by Dr_Mayhem
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it saddens me a bit to see the 'it's the filthy, one legged, parrot guano bearing, pirates' line being used over and over again, but there is at least a nod towards scheduling issues.
one thing i do find at least moderately interesting is that syfystula is the only network named as bearing responsibility. does the show not air in the u.k. or europe? does the world begin and end with less than 5% of the population? taking a quick gander at http://stargate.mgm.com/ under recent additions led me to the q&a section. i'd suggest less than 10% of the questions were u.s. viewer based, with a good majority being euro based. maybe the better airing/production partner would be skyone? they seem to have a good run of it for the last while, certainly better than dizzy feet.
Kittens give Morbo gas.
Syfy, while not the only network it airs on, seems to be the main network that gives it the go ahead before it is offered to other networks across the world.
Is this franchise represented in print? Webisodes?
Anyhoo... I think SGU was more of a throwback to the tone of the original Stargate movie. SG-1 was the divergence; 'mainstreamed' into something more 'Trekkish', IMO.
I'll even parallel the difference between SG-1 and SGU with one of the earlier MA authoring criticisms:
SGU would represent the 4-5 story arcs that would build into the story; characters along with it. Each story builds upon the last and draws its audience in on both character and story.
SG-1 would represent a accumulation of 1 shot stories, each with its own build up. Although there may be an underlying connection between them, this methods strength is primarily on its characters. As long as they're consistent, there is something for the audience to connect and be stable with.
However, inconsistent characters could leave the audience little to hold to if the underlying theme doesn't have a strong presence. They become lost without a familiar face to latch on to.
Apparently, I play "City of Shakespeare"
*Arc #95278-Gathering the Four Winds -3 step arc; challenging - 5 Ratings/3 Stars (still working out the kinks)
*Arc #177826-Lights, Camera, Scream! - 3 step arc, camp horror; try out in 1st person POV - 35 Ratings/4 Stars
So it's SyFy's fault that MGM had to declare bankruptcy in November and doesn't have enough money to spend on the stargate franchise?
Sorry not buying that logic.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
So it's SyFy's fault that MGM had to declare bankruptcy in November and doesn't have enough money to spend on the stargate franchise?
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My first logical guess at how the cancellation stops the SGA movie is that SGU being canned makes it look like interest in the Stargate series is dead so MGM won't put down the money for it as it starts going again.
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Where did you get that from?
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| Im sorry to say but the cancellation puts the brakes on whatever progress the SGA movie had made in the past month, shelving it indefinitely, he said. Contrary to what some may think, the cancellation of SGU is very bad news for those looking forward to an Atlantis movie. |
To me that sounds like he's implying that if SyFy hadn't cancelled the show the SGA movie wouldn't be shelved indefinitely.
Dr. Mayhem, you're absolutely correct in understanding the reasoning. Because MGM is already bankrupt and that SyFy has cancelled SGU, it makes it look like interest in Stargate as a franchise has died completely so MGM won't fund it anymore. SGU's cancellation is very bad for Stargate as a whole.
Ever since they got put under NBC's umbrella, and a programming manager who publicly admitting to disliking Science Fiction, it's gone downhill. And their ratings have followed.
It is generaly admitted that they are making a conscious (sp) move AWAY from science fiction/fantasy/horror, and with it distance themselves further and further from their core original audience.
As probably my last real post on the forums before my account goes dark I thought Ii would point out that there are a number of fans that are now trying to get SGU some attention for a third season by purchasing the episode Resurgence on January 4th on iTunes. More info can be found here.
Personally I would love to see this work but I doubt it will. At least it would show that there is a fan base willing to pay for the episodes on iTunes but for Syfy, that doesn't really matter so much as it has no affect on how much they can charge for advertising when the show airs. I also doubt a dedicated fan base, unless larger, is going to get Syfy to realize their stupidity in moving shows to Tuesday since they love the money that Wrestling brings in.
Since I probably won't be able to post by the time SGU returns for the last half of it's now final season, I think it should be considered just to have a universal thread for the episodes if there will be one. After all, not a lot of posts really happened each week so it may be best just to unify them all.
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The shakiness of the camera is especially odd given that shaky cameras are meant to represent amateur filming in order to add a dose of realism and tension.|
Originally Posted by Dark One
What really killed the show for me was the unnecessary shakey cam. Nothing like watching a conversation between two characters and watching the cam jumping around like a cricket on crack (very very noticeable when you only light the characters faces but have a dark background). I could deal with the characters and whatnot, but getting motion sickness (something that only extremely rarely happens to me) from a tv show is a massive turnoff.
That, and the writers continual ******** on Eli. It was like some kind of passive-aggressive hatred of the fans that made SG-1 and SGA into successful shows, IMO. The only halfways likeable character and they made him into the punching bag. Good news with that release though? More Eureka, Warehouse 13, and Haven. Hopefully more Sanctuary too, as I enjoy that show. Though given it's death slot on Friday after wrestling... |
Given that the cameras used in the story are floating camera balls, there should be no reason for them to shake at all.
I can't watch SGU without thinking of SG-1's episode 200 and the "younger, edgier" SG-1 skit. It really doesn't feel like the same franchise.
And I agree on Sanctuary, originally fridays on SyFy were rather easy, click the channel and let it run all night. Now I have to turn it off or put a disk on and remember to turn it back before 2 hours have passed
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Carlyle and Ferreira are "younger?"
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Originally Posted by Lycanus
I can't watch SGU without thinking of SG-1's episode 200 and the "younger, edgier" SG-1 skit. It really doesn't feel like the same franchise.
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Originally Posted by Scythus
Carlyle and Ferreira are "younger?"
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Rush is a bit older, but he definitely qualifies as edgier
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"Notice at the end, there: Arcanaville did the math and KICKED IT INTO EXISTENCE." - Ironik on the power of Arcanaville's math
Yeah, I get Eli and Chloe. I just found it difficult to swallow that a show with Rush in it brings thoughts of "younger, edgier" to mind. By the way, Ferreira who plays Colonel Young is 43 which is actually older than Flannigan's Sheppard when Atlantis started.
As for Lieutenant Scott, he's the appropriate age for a lieutenant.
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Originally Posted by Lycanus
Eli, the lieutenant, the senator's daughter are all younger than their earlier franchise counterparts, Colonel Young is younger than his command officer equivalents
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When SGU preimered, Louis Ferreira was 42, Brian J. Smith was 28, David Blue 27, and Elyse Levesque was 24.
They aren't the same but it isn't like the cast is made up of teenagers.
Also, in terms of the shaky camera being the Kinos, they aren't. The Kino footage only appears every now and then and is represented by a layer placed over the footage to frame it. The footage itself does not get the shaking treatment.
Edit: Didn't see the newer post while I was typing this.
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A person who meets all of his promotion requirements can reach the rank of 0-6 (Colonel in the Air Force) in 12 1/2 years. And that's based on the minimum time in grade required by federal law.|
Originally Posted by Lycanus
Colonel Young is younger than his command officer equivalents
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0-2 - 2nd Lt - 18 months - Fully qualified (nearly 100 percent)
0-3 - 1st Lt - 2 years - Fully qualified (nearly 100 percent)
0-4 - Captain - 3 years - Best qualified (80 percent)
0-5 - Major - 3 years - Best qualified (70 percent)
0-6 -Colonel - 3 years - Best qualified (50 percent)
So it's very possibe for someone who goes to college/ROTC or a military acadamy and graduates around the age of 24 to be a colonel by the time they are 40.
And that's not counting things like battlefield promotions or the automatic increase in rank that comes with certain military awards for heroism.
>.>
The difference between SG:U and SG:A and SG-1 is that SG:A and SG-1 focus mainly on 4 characters that are balanced around "military man", "physicist", "anthropologist/everyman", and "alien" which gives you 4 very good perspectives of "shoot first", "thats cool technology", "Aliens are cool!", and "You people are strange..." that are middle aged/young...while SG:U focuses on 2 old main characters, one being the military guy who thinks "shoot first! I don't want to be leader because it's apparent I'm incompetent but I must be leader!" and one being the science guy "Shoot first! This technology is cool and must be protect...and that includes from incompetent leaders" and then has 4+ secondary and tertiary characters...which are all age like 20-30...unless they are scientists or "authority figures" who have to be older obviously.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
A person who meets all of his promotion requirements can reach the rank of 0-6 (Colonel in the Air Force) in 12 1/2 years. And that's based on the minimum time in grade required by federal law.
0-2 - 2nd Lt - 18 months - Fully qualified (nearly 100 percent) 0-3 - 1st Lt - 2 years - Fully qualified (nearly 100 percent) 0-4 - Captain - 3 years - Best qualified (80 percent) 0-5 - Major - 3 years - Best qualified (70 percent) 0-6 -Colonel - 3 years - Best qualified (50 percent) So it's very possibe for someone who goes to college/ROTC or a military acadamy and graduates around the age of 24 to be a colonel by the time they are 40. And that's not counting things like battlefield promotions or the automatic increase in rank that comes with certain military awards for heroism. |
Oh and the fact the higher ranks arn't that much time based as ability based. Aka you don't have to be that old to be a General.
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