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Doh! Didn't even think about the article being 2 pages when I copied the link after reading through it. Fixed the link now.
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I don't know what y'all are talking about. I watch the show every week, I like it and I think it's great.
And this is why I can't have nice things.
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Well the science of steriod use along with the fiction of a soap opera.....|
Originally Posted by The_Larker
I gave up on syfy when wrestling started airing,I'm still waiting for someone to explain how that is considered "sci-fi".
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As to SGU i honestly didnt predict it to go beyond this season, i just wonder if they will be given the opprotunity to tie up the story or are we just gonna be left with them wondering space.
Actually it looks like Gateworld in offline today. The link worked last night but it did bring me to page 2 of the article.
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Apparently not.|
Originally Posted by QuiJon
Well the science of steriod use along with the fiction of a soap opera.....
As to SGU i honestly didnt predict it to go beyond this season, i just wonder if they will be given the opprotunity to tie up the story or are we just gonna be left with them wondering space. |
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Originally Posted by Dr_Mayhem
If Syfy had given them a final season, they could have but from what I have been hearing on Twitter, this season is already finished.
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I havent seen SGU yet, still working on watching all of sg1 on netflix. It just amazes me though how tv networks always cancel great shows but leave the most crappiest stuff on tv all due to nelson ratings and such. Too many great shows were cut short in their prime. I really wish they could rework the rating system to account for viewers who dvdr stuff or get the episodes via other legal digital means. I think overall the problem is commercials. 99% of the time I fast forward thru comercials or wait till the season comes out on dvd or netflix so I dont have to deal with commercials or I watch it on a network that doesnt have any commercial interuptions. I think if advertisement companies get it thru their thick skulls that they are wasting tons of money on commercials things might be different. Commercials have for upcoming movies have now gotten so bad that they force movie previews on you with some dvd rentals.
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Neilson ratings are for idiots. They only take into account people who don't know how to time shift or people who are willing to fill out a diary.
It's like Ford asking the Amish what their favorite features are in a car.
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Not true. Nielsen does have the technology to figure out time shifts. They can even figure out your time shift if you use the antiquated technology known as the VCR. And diaries are only used in a very few areas of the country anymore.|
Originally Posted by Mandu
Neilson ratings are for idiots. They only take into account people who don't know how to time shift or people who are willing to fill out a diary.
It's like Ford asking the Amish what their favorite features are in a car. |
And they do track online views... sorta. A website like Hulu has its own way of tracking viewers, so Nielsen has no need to track that specifically. What Nielsen does do... is track how their homes use online viewing versus standard television viewing.
Now, Nielsen also doesn't track something like Netflix on very well. But they do track how their selected families view their content, and what their habits are.
Unless, of course, you're downloading the episodes and watching them on your computer... I think they only monitor streaming video in their homes.
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Originally Posted by Wayfarer
Of course does tracking Hulu viewers do them much good? One of the primary reasons for tracking viewers is so that they can set advertising rates. People who view a show on Hulu aren't going to help the broadcast network sell more advertising on the show.
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You can argue that Nielsen ratings are outdated, you can argue that the networks have no clue what to do with the information outside of the traditional broadcast ratings.
You just can't argue that Nielsen is not good at collecting the data, because they really are good at collecting the data.
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And that's when Patrick Duffy comes out of the shower...
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Originally Posted by spice_weasel
....as it turns out.....
eli was just having a bad dream based on cheetos, an mmo, and stress. *poof* wakes up with keyboard face. |
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and sees an autistic kid playing with a spaceship in a snowglobe?
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Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
And that's when Patrick Duffy comes out of the shower...
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That causes Bob Newhart to wake up with a start.
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Originally Posted by Veritech
and sees an autistic kid playing with a spaceship in a snowglobe?
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I kinda figured that now the show has basically become Stargate: Voyager it wouldnt last much longer.....Ah well, I think the Stargate franchise itself is a little staid and needs to take a dirt nap for a while.....
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My mind went in a completely different direction, although I admit I like yours better.|
Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
That causes Bob Newhart to wake up with a start.
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I pictured Jerry Seinfeld waking up with a start and a confused look on his face which changes as he suddenly has an epiphany and says one angry word . . .
"Newman!"
I would close it with them doing whatever it is their doing when suddenly Kaley Cuoco's voice breaks in, "Really, Eli?"
<cut to Eli and Kaley Cuoco in a bubble bath together>
Kaley: "This is your fantasy? To take a bubble bath with me while telling me about your role playing game?"
<knock on door>
Eli's Mom: "Eli! What are you doing in there?!"
<Eli looks towards door>
Eli: "Nothing, Mom! Can't I have any privacy!"
<Eli looks back towards Kaley only now she's Sgt. Greer>
Eli: "Oh great..."
Edit: Edited to replace Katee Sackhoff with Kaley Cuoco
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Originally Posted by Wayfarer
I would close it with them doing whatever it is their doing when suddenly Kaley Cuoco's voice breaks in, "Really, Eli?"
<cut to Eli and Kaley Cuoco in a bubble bath together> Kaley: "This is your fantasy? To take a bubble bath with me while telling me about your role playing game?" <knock on door> Eli's Mom: "Eli! What are you doing in there?!" <Eli looks towards door> Eli: "Nothing, Mom! Can't I have any privacy!" <Eli looks back towards Kaley only now she's Sgt. Greer> Eli and Sgt Greer simultaneously: "Oh great..." |
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Originally Posted by Wayfarer
I would close it with them doing whatever it is their doing when suddenly Kaley Cuoco's voice breaks in, "Really, Eli?"
<cut to Eli and Kaley Cuoco in a bubble bath together> Kaley: "This is your fantasy? To take a bubble bath with me while telling me about your role playing game?" <knock on door> Eli's Mom: "Eli! What are you doing in there?!" <Eli looks towards door> Eli: "Nothing, Mom! Can't I have any privacy!" <Flash of light only visible to the viewers> <Eli looks back towards Kaley only now she's Sgt. Greer> Dr. Sam Beckett: "Oh boy..." <Fade to black> |
Wow, SyFy, you suck.
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That is what I was thinking but didn't say due to never watching Lost and only watching the premiere of the show.|
Originally Posted by Father Xmas
I think when SGU was conceived, it was during the success of not only BSG but Lost but near their end. Slow moving stories full of characters, many who are morally ambiguous and basically didn't want to be where they were, trying to make the best of a bad situation. Not surprising that a network tried to take the formula for a show that works and do it again.
Problem is there is a threshold of how much dark, depressing TV we are willing to watch during an economic downturn. I commented last week that the holiday specials of Eureka and Warehouse 13 were breaths of fresh air compared to the endless stream of serious dramas. Drawn out shows drenched in melancholy aren't doing well anymore. So the pendulum will swing back to episodic shows with 95% happy endings and clear cut heroes and villains. |
Bit I did read an interview about how they gave up another season of Atlantis to start a drama show that would be 'like Lost' and attract a 'hipper audience.'
Yeah, that sort of blatant copying and trend following often results in successful shows and is never obvious to said hipper audiences!
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Yes but it looks like they are going to give us a luke warm superpower show.
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Originally Posted by Scythus
Wow, SyFy, you suck.
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This sums up the core of the problem.|
Originally Posted by Scythus
Wow, SyFy, you suck.
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SGU was doomed from the beginning because it would surely alienate the vast majority of viewers. The strikes against it:
- It's a rehash of Lost in Space.
- Too many characters are unsympathetic whiners.
- It's a glorified reality show. This was probably its biggest selling point to the network execs, because almost everything happens on that one set, and that makes it cheap. The constant battles between regulars might make for inexpensive production, but it just makes someone who liked the previous series want to toss the whole bunch of them out the airlock.
- The show's themes and characters are almost uniformly dark. Viewers of the previous two series liked the mix of drama, space opera, self-deprecating humor and heroism that typified the average Stargate episode. The studio execs (or the producers) apparently decided that they wanted to "shake up" the franchise and make it gritty like BSG or Lost. Big mistake.
- The characters had, up until the very end, no control over their own destiny (pun unintended). People who like Stargate want characters that take charge and act (more or less) unselfishly to accomplish a common goal, or at least make progress toward that goal. Everything was always a dead end. I watched the second season out of abstract interest, but my wife gave up because it all seemed so pointless.
- Making Rush, one of the two main characters, an egotistical mad scientist who didn't give a damn the consequences of his actions was a huge mistake. Making the other main character a murdering son of b*tch was similarly a huge mistake. They couldn't forgive each other those sins: how can viewers?
SyFy doesn't give a damn about science fiction. The vast majority of their self-produced movies are not even B-movie quality -- they're just C- or D-movie horror dreck. And wrestling? Soon there will be nothing worth watching on this network. They are quickly morphing the channel into the same sort of pablum we get on the other 500 cable channels -- not that it was ever very high-brow science fiction, but at least they tried living up to the name.
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SyFy had nothing to do with SGU's production, strawstuffer.|
Originally Posted by Rodion
This sums up the core of the problem.
SGU was doomed from the beginning because it would surely alienate the vast majority of viewers. The strikes against it: |
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- And Lost was a rehash of Gilligan's Island? Please, the two are barely similar.
That sounds like opinion.Quote:- Too many characters are unsympathetic whiners.
Considering that budgets are tight these days, finding a way to incorporate only one set is a boon for those paying.Quote:- It's a glorified reality show. This was probably its biggest selling point to the network execs, because almost everything happens on that one set, and that makes it cheap. The constant battles between regulars might make for inexpensive production, but it just makes someone who liked the previous series want to toss the whole bunch of them out the airlock.
I liked it. I like dark stuff.Quote:- The show's themes and characters are almost uniformly dark. Viewers of the previous two series liked the mix of drama, space opera, self-deprecating humor and heroism that typified the average Stargate episode. The studio execs (or the producers) apparently decided that they wanted to "shake up" the franchise and make it gritty like BSG or Lost. Big mistake.
And in those other shows they had the optimal teams. The poor sots on Destiny; however, were poorly prepared for what they ran into. Considering that I found the first "the Wraith are coming to kill us" season of Atlantis rather similar in that unprepared vein is one reason why I latched onto that show as well.Quote:- The characters had, up until the very end, no control over their own destiny (pun unintended). People who like Stargate want characters that take charge and act (more or less) unselfishly to accomplish a common goal, or at least make progress toward that goal. Everything was always a dead end. I watched the second season out of abstract interest, but my wife gave up because it all seemed so pointless.
Quote:- Making Rush, one of the two main characters, an egotistical mad scientist who didn't give a damn the consequences of his actions was a huge mistake. Making the other main character a murdering son of b*tch was similarly a huge mistake. They couldn't forgive each other those sins: how can viewers?
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What, you just noticed what happened to ever single niche cable channel that existed 10-15 years ago are hollowed out husks of what they were are are now all about reality shows or scripted shows that have little to do with their original niche content?
There was a time friends of mine jokingly called the History Channel the Nazi Channel due to all the WW II documentaries about Germany and the war. Nearly all of that content is now gone, spun off onto the Military Channel which doesn't even get an HD version on my cable system.
Disney cartoons are now on Disney XD or some other Disney derivative. Same with toons on Nick or Cartoon Network (is Boomerang still around?).
Bravo use to have Opera and Broadway musicals (I watched the original cast version of Sweeney Todd on it), now it's thick with reality TV.
MTV use to have music videos 24/7 with older music spun off onto VH1, now it's reality shows with a few music videos on at 4am.
Country Music Television use to be the country music equivalent of MTV, last time I watched it they had pimp my semi-cab (which was kind of neat).
What happen is cable companies told the owners of those channels that they can't sell advertising on those channels to local companies due to their low ratings. The original idea is to be able to target unique demographics but "Joe's Plumbing Supply" either got driven out of business by Lowes and Home Depot or simply want their ad seen by the most people for the $, niche demographic be damned. So nearly all the niche networks of a decade or two ago have sort of become similar to one another in style of content. Content that is cheap to make but still draw more viewers, at least in terms of percent of overall viewers, than the content they originally had a decade or two ago.
SyFy is just the latest victim of a trend that started years ago and due to the success of it on other channels has finally been applied here.
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So basically it got canceled due to pretty much the same reasons as a Star Trek: Enterprise.