Discussion: Issue 19 Launch Update
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Posted on: 2010-11-17 24:10 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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So releasing buggy content that breaks two ATs is raising expectations?|
Originally Posted by Championess
Yeah the "new" tf's are being run in abundance, the ones where you're underpowered if you haven't put the time into powering up your toon to be able to play them. I don't mind putting the time in on the live servers because that's where the few remaining people are and I know that I can just copy my character to test if I ever wanted to and not lose anything I have achieved.
New players that have joined at launch would also have learned to expect by now that fitness was a mandatory pool power to take. Things change, just not when they "should" have, the change keeps getting postponed and reduced. Here's to lowering expectations everyday!  and yes I deleted your faces! |
The forums make less sense each day.
Bottom line: they made a GOOD decision to delay if they couldn't fix the issue.
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Thank you for the information WW. I really do appreciate it. I just have one question, is there any way to test this Issue out so that it isn't super LAG for two weeks after it goes live? I'm not talking the lag created by the peak times play either, just the lag that seems to come out with every new Issue.
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Why not? They will assuredly fix them within a month in the amount of time it would have taken during the postponement. |
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
So releasing buggy content that breaks two ATs is raising expectations?
The forums make less sense each day. Bottom line: they made a GOOD decision to delay if they couldn't fix the issue. |
I have 3 main toons and they are ALL doms, I still would have wanted this to go live. I mainly PvP so don't tell me about buggy content, I can handle a month of bugs. 2 years and ignoring the fact that the content is buggy can be rather irksome yes. Now if the buggy content for i19 was known and never fixed within 2 years then yeah I could see your point.
Domination unable to be used by non-villain doms and kheldians being unable to respec is not showstopping. The way that PvP is is showstopping but that didn't stop them from pushing it through.
Good. I was hoping this would be the case.
I rather have an issue later with fewer bugs than one NOW that'll bork some of my characters.
Thanks for keeping us informed.
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Good to know. Glad you're not in charge.|
Originally Posted by Championess
Why not? They will assuredly fix them within a month in the amount of time it would have taken during the postponement.
I have 3 main toons and they are ALL doms, I still would have wanted this to go live. I mainly PvP so don't tell me about buggy content, I can handle a month of bugs. 2 years and ignoring the fact that the content is buggy can be rather irksome yes. Now if the buggy content for i19 was known and never fixed within 2 years then yeah I could see your point. Domination unable to be used by non-villain doms and kheldians being unable to respec is not showstopping. The way that PvP is is showstopping but that didn't stop them from pushing it through. |
Somehow I don't think kheld nor dominator players would appreciate their toons being broken for that long.
I have a hunch that would cause just a little uproar.
And LOLpvp.
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Cause it needs to be said again.
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Originally Posted by TrueMetal
Good. I was hoping this would be the case.
I rather have an issue later with fewer bugs than one NOW that'll bork some of my characters. Thanks for keeping us informed. |
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Thanks for the update. Like many others, I am disappointed that I won't get to use my break to play the new content, but I will survive.
I know a little knowledge is sometimes a very dangerous thing with this community, but I appreciate the heads-up. It's nice to know I can stop hoping for it to drop tomorrow morning.
Of course, since I'm pretty well ready for this to hit, I guess I'm going to have to be spending my break doing something more productive, like fixing my back fence, and pulling out the stumps in my yard. Curses. Now I have no excuse for not fixing the dishwasher.
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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Good to know. Glad you're not in charge.
Somehow I don't think kheld nor dominator players would appreciate their toons being broken for that long. I have a hunch that would cause just a little uproar. And LOLpvp. |
It's too bad I'm not in charge! This game wouldn't be struggling for subscribers right now forcing the tasteless tactics of pulling the free toy out of the happy meal and reselling it to those who love to get those toys out of their happy meals (Party Pack).
Someone with a level 50 kheldian has to have another level 50 toon unless all of a sudden now that they unlock at 20 for the past 2 months there has been a mass influx of people who never played the game powered their way all the way up to 50. And if that other toon is a dom, guess what, they can just run 4 days of side-switching, go villain and have at it with their now unbugged toon until the fixes came.
And yes LOLpvp indeed, the community that they had before they hacked its limbs off and left it for dead the last 2 years would now equal about 40% of the now current playerbase. Before you quote the yellow and red dots for population, why is their financials so bad for 3Q, they JUST released a new "large" portion of the game to buy, the previous time they did that was with CoV and there's a stark contrast of the value added between 3Q 2010 and 2Q 2005. The servers back in 2005 never got as high visually as it does now, the playerbase has shrunk since then and the new graphics load of Praetoria plays hell with the server perception.
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Not unexpected. Thanks for the update.
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Not much else to say, really.
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Originally Posted by Psylenz
I want to add my support to the development team for:
A) Acknowledging and announcing the existence of the showstopping bugs. B) Giving a time frame of when we can at least NOT EXPECT it to go live (waiting until after Thanksgiving) C) Working so darn hard to give us a new release with as few inconveniences (ongoing bugs and such) as possible D) Providing our playerbase with the best MMORPG available BAR NONE! |
Originally Posted by Psylenz
I want to add my support to the development team for:
A) Acknowledging and announcing the existence of the showstopping bugs.
B) Giving a time frame of when we can at least NOT EXPECT it to go live (waiting until after Thanksgiving)
C) Working so darn hard to give us a new release with as few inconveniences (ongoing bugs and such) as possible
D) Providing our playerbase with the best MMORPG available BAR NONE!
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I appreciate the update, but I'm severely disappointed that this isn't going live until after thanksgiving. Due to work, that basically means I won't get to play it at all until after the first of the year.
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Then jump on the beta server and help hunt down the last few bugs |
Originally Posted by firespray
I appreciate the update, but I'm severely disappointed that this isn't going live until after thanksgiving. Due to work, that basically means I won't get to play it at all until after the first of the year.
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Don't confuse the symptoms of a software bug with the nature of a software bug. Just because these problems are only manifesting for Khelds and Doms AT THE MOMENT doesn't mean that it's not a more fundamentally problematic bug in the code.|
Originally Posted by Championess
Why not? They will assuredly fix them within a month in the amount of time it would have taken during the postponement.
I have 3 main toons and they are ALL doms, I still would have wanted this to go live. I mainly PvP so don't tell me about buggy content, I can handle a month of bugs. 2 years and ignoring the fact that the content is buggy can be rather irksome yes. Now if the buggy content for i19 was known and never fixed within 2 years then yeah I could see your point. Domination unable to be used by non-villain doms and kheldians being unable to respec is not showstopping. The way that PvP is is showstopping but that didn't stop them from pushing it through. |
Also, one should not neglect the fact that bugs that seem small in beta can become huge on live, once the full weight of the player-base is brought to bear.
If they say it's a showstopper, that's probably coming from a coder's perspective, not a player's perspective.
Besides which, for every bug-induced problem on live, someone somewhere is obligated to spend time addressing the headaches suffered by players.
And in general, I don't think it's a bad thing for them to dot more i's and cross more t's before releasing code into the wild. While there's no such thing as perfect, the minor problems associated with "good enough" releases add up over enough releases to make things look sloppy and lacking attention to detail. And that's what leads to those 2-year-old bugs you're complaining about.
Thanks for the update WW. I'm excited for i19 party times, but I can wait until everyone can play without bugs.
In the meantime, I'm pointing my VG/SG-mates to the boards and asking that everyone jump on Beta to help root out the Bugs!
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Showstopper bug HAS to be more than what it is with doms and khelds, there's ways around playing those ATs bugged (or playing another AT:Kheld for the time being). They've had quite a long time now to test, re-test, quadruple-test. The problem is that while they putz around more and more people have nothing eventful to do so they go somewhere else. There has to be a point where they start giving their playerbase a meaningful amount of stuff to do, with whatever level you're at, not just 1-20; that time has come and gone. |
Originally Posted by Starjammer
Don't confuse the symptoms of a software bug with the nature of a software bug. Just because these problems are only manifesting for Khelds and Doms AT THE MOMENT doesn't mean that it's not a more fundamentally problematic bug in the code.
Also, one should not neglect the fact that bugs that seem small in beta can become huge on live, once the full weight of the player-base is brought to bear. If they say it's a showstopper, that's probably coming from a coder's perspective, not a player's perspective. Besides which, for every bug-induced problem on live, someone somewhere is obligated to spend time addressing the headaches suffered by players. And in general, I don't think it's a bad thing for them to dot more i's and cross more t's before releasing code into the wild. While there's no such thing as perfect, the minor problems associated with "good enough" releases add up over enough releases to make things look sloppy and lacking attention to detail. And that's what leads to those 2-year-old bugs you're complaining about. |
Contrary to popular belief, less people playing means the costs are forwarded onto you, emotes now only for sale when before you got a TON of new stuff with the "expansion" you bought. That 40% LoLPvP'ers that would make up the current playerbase now would probably have footed the bill for free emotes and more costumes. So telling them to hurry up and give everyone something to do before they decide to leave is in effect going to get you QoL stuff for free as opposed to now having to pay for them.
I'm also not complaining about the two year old bugs, I'm complaining that they have ignored the fact that PvP hardly even exists. I can adapt to buggy gameplay, it's the fact that the timeframe has been so long and they won't do anything about it that is what's the downer.
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Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
I just find the notion amusing that they'll be working on Inherent Fitness while half the office is zonked out on trytophan from the turkey.
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Actually the tryptophan thing is a myth. You'd have to consume several hundred pounds (yes, I know we've all tried this at one time or another) to have the sort of effect we're talking about.
Mostly it has to do with the high carb content of the meal and the resulting release of insulin.
But yeah. Make the devs come in instead of enjoying a holiday with friends and family, scarfing down lots of turkey (or tofurky...(ewww) if they're vegan) and getting sloshed while watching football?
NOT the way to get the best work out of them.
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Three buggy ATs is very much a showstopper...
Workaround or not, if they'd release it in this state, lots of people would be mighty ticked off, at least those who don't frequent these boards...
So... bummer this bug happened, but the delay in release is very much appreciated...
Better to release it a couple of weeks late with as many bugfixes as possible.
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40%!?!?! Are you drunk?
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Originally Posted by Championess
That 40% LoLPvP'ers that would make up the current playerbase now would probably have footed the bill for free emotes and more costumes.
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I'm always amazed at how many pages of comments can develope based on a pretty simple announcement. I'm equally amazed that there is actually a debate going on regarding releasing this issue with or without bugs. (I especially like it when that analogy then morphs into deliciously funny food analogies.)
Regardless of the fact that I don't really care when they release Issue 9 - since I'm already enjoying the game, just fine, thank you -- I believe we should all take this non-opportunity to DEMAND FREEBIES FOR OUR OBVIOUS (OR FEIGNED) DISAPPOINTMENT!
I think an unreasonable demand for a new round of FREE server transfers would be perfectly inappropriate way to waste the devs' time, for example. Don't you?
Thank you for the update, I can finally breathe and not check the forums every hour to see a release date, I'd say knowing when it will launch was more annoying than (preparing for it, waiting for it) :P
Thanks Paragon for doing the right thing and for all your hard work.
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