Discussion: Issue 19 Launch Update
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Posted on: 2010-11-17 24:10 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
Figures. Delayed twice and we ain't even gonna get the full single slot. What an excellent dev staff you lot have there and I'm sure it was a brilliant idea that some of em were sacked a little while ago.
"Of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these. It might have been."
Well, think of it this way;
If you make a new toon now, it'll be one of the last of the Old School characters before inherent fitness.
I been wanting to try a blaster lately, and I'm not gonna put it off just because i'd get better mileage after I19. Instead, I'll just wear the Old Fashioned badge and be proud.
A new Issue launch delayed because of bugs?... are we being punked?, where's the cameras?...
Travel Suppression is this game's worst feature, well that and MetaHumans riding mass transit like tourists at DisneyLand.
Bad news, but thanks for the update.
I predict we'll never hear a dev mention an actual date again. From now on it'll be back to Soon(TM).
Thanks for the head-up devs. much appreciated. Now i can stop looking daily when issue 19 will be released. ;-)
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Agree - thanks, I'll just be on test till then |
Originally Posted by Psylenz
I want to add my support to the development team for:
A) Acknowledging and announcing the existence of the showstopping bugs. B) Giving a time frame of when we can at least NOT EXPECT it to go live (waiting until after Thanksgiving) C) Working so darn hard to give us a new release with as few inconveniences (ongoing bugs and such) as possible D) Providing our playerbase with the best MMORPG available BAR NONE! |
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Originally Posted by Championess
Since we're in the mood for postponing things, can you guys please postpone my re-bill by 15 days? I only re-subbed just this past weekend in hopes that all of the stuff I was looking forward to when I purchased GR was on the time-table for this week. Now you say that you have to postpone what I have been looking forward to since I bought GR some more? Fair enough, postpone my re-bill while your at it to account for the 15 days that I won't be playing this in the meantime.
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Another "Thank you for the communication" from me.
I'm absolutely delighted you didn't release the issue with those bugs because I for one would have been screaming about them. (The dom bug basically ends my MoLR runs.)
Let's hope this is the start of resumption of good communication from Dev/NCSoft to the player base because it has been somewhat poor recently.
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Add me to the list. UR DOIN IT RITE!
Anyone who knows me knows that I complain long and loud about things I don't like or wish were different, but the flip side of that and just as important (if not more so) is to make sure to let the devs know when they're doing it right.
WW and all, thanks for delaying the issue. Thanks for even HAVING issues (that didn't sound right...). Thanks for the game; thanks for the fun; thanks for many years to come!
And thanks for lowering the prices on booster packs to between 2 and 5 dollars each depending on their relative merit......
*chirp* *chirp* *chirp*
Well I can dream can't I?
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No no no, TANKERS are the DEFENSIVE linemen, BRUTES are the OFFENSIVE linemen. |
Originally Posted by MunkiLord
Scrapper are linebackers and safeties. They just wanna run up to you and punch you in the mouth.
Brutes should be defensive linemen/linebackers for the same reason. |
Though granted, I have known many offensive tanks and defensive brutes...
Stalkers as wide receivers? Blaster as quarterback?
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I have one Dominator and no Kheldians that would be affected by the bugs in question... and I couldn't agree with the above quote more. Just because it doesn't seriously impact ME doesn't mean I'd nonchalantly throw it in anyone else's face.|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Besides the fact that ruining some ATs is never acceptable for a live publish (good grief, why does that need to be stated at all, never mind so many times in the past few days?), when a bug has not been figured out/solved, it may be a much bigger problem than the small Test Server results indicate.
To release such a thing on to the live servers (AND right before a holiday break) would be... obnoxiously oblivious. |
I can understand some people's disappointment and frustration, but complaining that you (for example) re-subbed just for this, and have now paid a month more than you wanted to just says "It's all about me"... and it's not, sorry. If it was going to be that much of an issue, it would have been better to wait to re-sub til after it went live. Seriously.
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The Secret World - Arcadia - Shinzo
Rift - Faeblight - Bloodspeaker
LotRO - Gladden - Aranelion
STO - Holodeck - @Captain_Thiraas
Obviously, I don't care about NCSoft's forum rules, now.
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Numbers may not lie, but they can obviously be misinterpreted. I look at the graph you tout as evidence, specifically at Q309 (3rd quarter of 2009) and Q310 (3rd quarter 2010), and see virtually identical numbers, with Q310 being slightly HIGHER.|
Originally Posted by Championess
Numbers don't lie, there's less people playing than what there was a year ago, server load views are clearly changed from days of old.
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Now granted, without something to say specifically what the y-axis of the graph means, the entire graph is meaningless. Number of paying subscriptions? Then you're wrong. Number of active players? Means nothing in a financial context. Number of new subscriptions? Means nothing without attendant data regarding retention.
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Rift - Faeblight - Bloodspeaker
LotRO - Gladden - Aranelion
STO - Holodeck - @Captain_Thiraas
Obviously, I don't care about NCSoft's forum rules, now.
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You forgot a few positions:|
Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
That'd be spiffy... wish there was a way we could reprogram the Arena for PvP Football for a Thanksgiving day game...
Tankers/Brutes/Lobster form khelds = pass blocking Scrappers/SoAs = receivers Widows/Stalkers = blitzers Dominators/Defenders = defense Controllers = coaches Blasters/Corruptors = QB/kickers/punters Masterminds = special teams And catgurls as cheerleaders. Michelle aka Samuraiko/Dark_Respite |
Running back/tight end = Widow
Safety = Dom
Cornerback = Stalker
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I think the person in question is on a stronger drug than alcohol if they thought the pvp audience in this game was EVER 40%.|
Originally Posted by FitzSimmons
40%!?!?! Are you drunk?
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Talk about ridiculous ideas.
Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
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This, again!
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Originally Posted by GMan3
I could be wrong in reading the posts on the Dom/Kheld problem, but it seems to be that any toons on the test server before a certain Issue 19 patch there could not properly respec the toons while toons brought in after that patch didn't have a problem. Now I am not computer expert, but if this is the case, what happens to every Dom/Kheld toon on the live servers once this patch goes out to Live? We may suddenly not be able to "fix" ANY of those toons and would have to instead remake them. I can only imagine the problems this would cause with the player base. I don't think there would be a lot of people that quit the game over it, but there would be some, as well as a lot of ill will toward the company in general. In all better to wait and get the fix in place BEFORE it goes live.
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Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!
Thank you for the update. I echo the comments that "bad" news is much better than no news at all.
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I don't know why people are being down on Championess for this. I totally back this. Anything for another 15 days peace.|
Originally Posted by Championess
Since we're in the mood for postponing things, can you guys please postpone my re-bill by 15 days? I only re-subbed just this past weekend in hopes that all of the stuff I was looking forward to when I purchased GR was on the time-table for this week. Now you say that you have to postpone what I have been looking forward to since I bought GR some more? Fair enough, postpone my re-bill while your at it to account for the 15 days that I won't be playing this in the meantime.
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As for the Devs decision. Dissapointed it's not here but glad they are getting it right. Keep up the high standards.
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Originally Posted by Diggis
I don't know why people are being down on Championess for this. I totally back this. Anything for another 15 days peace.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!
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Better to get it right before throwing it out there
Gratz Devs! You are doing this right
There is no such thing as an "innocent bystander"
Add me to the list of people who are glad to have official comment on the delay. One of the things I've learned working with the public is that, when things go pancake-shaped, you ultimately come out better if you stand up in front and take it on the chin. Personally, I'm in the "it's-ready-when-it's-ready" camp, but I can understand others being frustrated.
Oh, and I have a level 50 Scrapper that would make a great smashmouth fullback.
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Newton: I observed Mercury's perihelion moving 43 arc-seconds per century more than it should. Is this WAI? --Einstein |
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You should also consider that though both of those quarters are about the same, 3Q10 has an uptick in sales due to a major expansion release and 3Q09 doesn't.
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Originally Posted by Bloodspeaker
Numbers may not lie, but they can obviously be misinterpreted. I look at the graph you tout as evidence, specifically at Q309 (3rd quarter of 2009) and Q310 (3rd quarter 2010), and see virtually identical numbers, with Q310 being slightly HIGHER.
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What, the NGE?|
Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
Thank you for the update (not to mention working on the bugs). At this point, I can make my plans for Alpha strike/i19 accordingly and get back to enjoying Going Rogue/i18.
P.S. For obvious reasons, everyone is hoping for a release date of 11/30 or 12/2, not the Tuesday of the week following, a.k.a. The Day that Will Live Forever in MMORPG Infamy. |
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Originally Posted by Championess
Why not? They will assuredly fix them within a month in the amount of time it would have taken during the postponement.
I have 3 main toons and they are ALL doms, I still would have wanted this to go live. I mainly PvP so don't tell me about buggy content, I can handle a month of bugs. 2 years and ignoring the fact that the content is buggy can be rather irksome yes. Now if the buggy content for i19 was known and never fixed within 2 years then yeah I could see your point. Domination unable to be used by non-villain doms and kheldians being unable to respec is not showstopping. The way that PvP is is showstopping but that didn't stop them from pushing it through. |
While I sympathize that perhaps the devs should have more receptive of feedback regarding PvP, and I cannot claim to be an expert in the nuances of PvP bugs as I hate PvP in any game and avoid it like the plague (no offense to those who do enjoy it intended), I find it extremely dubious to argue that 3 out of 14 archetypes not functioning properly to the point where serious and possibly permanent character data corruption could occur (in the case of the Kheldian respec bug) and where those three archetypes' core features (Kheldian forms, Domination) do not function properly for a significant subset of people playing them (like, say, all Praetorian dominators, all dominators of any sort under level 20, and all dominators who haven't done 10 villain tip missions and a villain morality mission) is anything BUT showstopping.
(Frankly, I suspect it's the Kheldian bug that's holding it up - I think the devs would push with broken Domination simply because it doesn't bear the possibility of actually damaging character data possibly beyond repair)
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I agree with this. I don't think it's gameplay issues that are the problem. A broken power here and there, as long as it gets fixed, is fine. But as far as I've been able to gather, this has the potential to PERMANENTLY break any Kheldian currently on live. As in, the character will be unplayable from now until infinity and will have to be deleted. |
Originally Posted by Reiska
(Frankly, I suspect it's the Kheldian bug that's holding it up - I think the devs would push with broken Domination simply because it doesn't bear the possibility of actually damaging character data possibly beyond repair)
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If the devs are delaying the release because of the possibility of this happening, then I say more power to them. It does look at a casual glance as if the problem can be resolved with a respec. But apparently not in every case. And corrupting character data is pretty much the one big no-no in an MMORPG.
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I would, if there were any accompanying data that specifically stated that were the reason. There isn't.|
Originally Posted by Pebblebrook
You should also consider that though both of those quarters are about the same, 3Q10 has an uptick in sales due to a major expansion release and 3Q09 doesn't.
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My main point is that waving a single graph in my face as proof of ANYthing, without a complete set of data, not to mention all the OTHER graphs that track other important numbers relevant to THIS graph, actually proves only one thing. It proves that said graph-waver shouldn't be trying to speak from a position of knowledgeable authority, be it alarmist (ie "DOOM"), supportive, or otherwise.
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The Secret World - Arcadia - Shinzo
Rift - Faeblight - Bloodspeaker
LotRO - Gladden - Aranelion
STO - Holodeck - @Captain_Thiraas
Obviously, I don't care about NCSoft's forum rules, now.
Thanks for the update War Witch.
News is better than no news.
Also thanks for explaining the strange holidays you NAers have, everyone else who did.
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