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......and two years later.

Clicked the wrong forum thread and couldn't hit the back button fast enough eh?

What happened? The new game on the block has legit PvP and resources dedicated to it so a light bulb goes off that maybe we need to compete to keep everyone that we can. That maybe turning your backs and plugging your ears isn't the best strategy to help attract the new players as it was so stated two years ago?

There's some legitimate thoughts on how to help make this better rather than leaving it for dead as it has been for the past few years. DR isn't a bad idea in theory but in practice the curves are so low on some things that it negates whole power sets from ever participating. Also the damage scales need to be reverted and adjusted individually, some things do damage that they just shouldn't be doing. And one last thing, travel suppresion while not attacking has to go!

Since you decided to venture down the rabbit hole we invite you to venture a little further.

You're an insightful ball of joy eh.

As I understand it it's bad form, even for you, to quit out of arena matches once you've run yourself outta inspirations within the first 3 mins. I tend not to take toooo much advice from players like that thanks.










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Um yeah, you do know that VEATs can see stalkers plain as day up to 100ft especially with new inherent fitness freeing up pool selections, if a team was going to bring 8 stalks you probably should bring 1-2 veats just in case. I think that they weren't worried as much with ties as they were 8 stalkers all spiking targets with shraks and calling it a day.

Limitations were set in place either because of perceived OPness (shraks) or because they were actually broken (mace, LR, etc...). I either say make the sensible limitations across the board to promote variety or **** it no limits at all.

Deduction my dear Watson.

Ok so they have been actually working on the Kheldians issue since he reported it some three months ago but never tripped over the fact that inherent fitness was the root of the problem where the fix for it would have been on that first test patch a week ago, not the faulty version and the critical searches to fix the problem ensuing...?

So either this means that they are inept OR they have been paying the guy lip service and not really looking into the problem much with many more things on their plate what with i19 and all.

My deductive reasoning tells me they didn't pay much mind to that particular beta player. They sure fixed it in a hurry once they realized the ramifications of that bug and had to readdress any stone left unturned to solve it, so I rule out inept.

What does it tell you? Inept or Ignored?

Darn that Hindsight, it gets us every time! Or they could try this going forward as an approach.

It turns out that the bug with inherent fitness affected everyone. Kheldians and Doms felt the major effect because the way that their inherents are easily discernable from all of the other ATs in the game (Domination click, Kheldian form shifting). Basically the inherent fitness powers became first in the list of powers, overlapping every AT specific inherent power to where it was no longer clickable or acted like it should.

If just one person would have looked into the "beta" Kheldians plight when he first made it known things would have been looked into a little further and maybe the right way to set up fitness so it is at least the trailing end of your inherents could have been found in time to not go on with the premise that inherent fitness was set to go as is for the open beta patch.

So you're saying that they shouldn't listen to their CLOSED beta players? What are they there for then?

Ugh!

My point is that yes with all of this time they are devoting to the REST of i19 that they never got around to listening to that Kheldian player who had issues with his inherent abilities. THEN once they patched it and found out that it was a bug that was unignorable they have endeavored to put all of their focus into fixing something they had no clue was going to be as gamebreaking as it is this past week.

SO. Yes they had their version of inherent fitness all wrapped up and were doing many other things with i19. THEN with the patch found this little bug and now decide to listen to that Kheldian guy and a few others that had been saying something about this for a while now.

Basically no I am not saying it took them 13 weeks of work all on inherent fitness, the break and fix. They had the version that they thought they wanted, moved on to other i19 stuff during beta, patched it to open and test and found out a good deal more information that it was a terrible bug and then in a week focused all of their efforts into finding the root of it and changing inherent fitness to interact differently. Follow?

Exactly, you can either choose to not see it and ignore it, or see it and voice an opinion to try and raise expectations that could draw people that left back because that voice wasn't heard.

Would make sense with the way they are incorporating the main feature of GR into future updates, basically it's our subscription updates that have been free up to now. We are just hijacked into buying the box if we want anything of value in our "free" updates from GR on out.

Basically to me GR was Praetoria, the groundworks added with that. The "free" updates from here on out will be the incarnates building on what they have done with Praetoria. I stopped telling people to "come back, it's going to get better with the next issue""Going Rogue will be here and everything we've been waiting for has to be loaded into it".

I realized after I posted it that it's an impossibility on here.

Maybe the ones laid off were the ones working on the correct version of the inherent fitness......

I said stop deviating from the subject "the late status of alpha-slot.....again", not that I'm going to stop talking.

I have 15 days of time that I believed I would be spending playing this game that is now devoted to voicing my dissatisfaction with how things have been going.

Seems much more plausible with the way they have been feverently working the past week being able to focus on fixing this one thing than saying they have been inept in figuring out how to fix this "gamebreaking" bug for the past 3 months all the while patching a known faulty version of it just a week previous for the heck of it. Which brings us back to the realistic situation of it all, they didn't really pay any attention to the Kheldian guy, if they had one thing would have led to another and inherent fitness would have been this latest version, not the one they had pathced a week previous because in that 3 months they couldn't figure out what it took them one week to figure out.

3 months work to get the faulty inherent fitness to test. 3 months and one weeks work to get the correct version of inherent fitness to test...

What's there to acknowledge?

I think someones failing to comprehend.

If they REALLY had been looking into the root of the problem as you're saying then nowhere in that 3 months would they not have corrected the issue of how inherent fitness interacted with your character and put the right patch in like they did a week later once they WERE looking into it?

If they had reason to suspect there was gamebreaking issues with toons and were working on fixing inherent fitness would they not have held up that first patch to test if they were already reworking it? Would they not have solicited ideas, like they were the past week, on beta this whole time if they had not been ignorant of the issue to ATs inherents to get it right before it went to open testing?

I think it's good that you are giving up! We've had a conversation before about some shady practices going on with this games server perceptions and you basically made my case for me, this topic isn't one where you want to try and get retribution.

The work around was to completely change how fitness was inherent. It's good to know that they can be completely befuddled about something, have no insight, then in a weeks time figure out the root of the problem and redo how inherent fitness became available. Seems like they have gotten a lot accomplished in one week if they weren't ignoring it all of these 3 months. Patching in a faulty version of inherent fitness if they would have been working on the cause of the bugs of the inherents in ATs just one week previous would seem counterproductive if they had known there was a gamebreaking issue with it.

A patch to open testing went through on the weekend prior to the 16th. Then a week later they get a patch with the situation corrected once they realized things weren't right. So within one weeks time they were able to figure out what was going on how? Because it was a major bug that had huge implications and now they had to listen and fix it. I guess they were too busy copy and pasting all of those "new" alternate animations from KM, DP and Demons into prexisting powers all of those 3 months that they couldn't aleviate the game of any "showstopper" bugs in the meantime. Funny once they realize they are overlooking something how swiftly it can be thought out. If it were my job I'd hope I was listening to everyone on MY beta forum providing useful information this whole time, even if they were condescending or purred on my lap with any acknowledgement. Guess the lightbulb went from dim to bright in a week huh...

Peoples inherents are broken.....we added new ones with inherent fitness....hmm lets get a detective, better yet lets talk to the people who are playing and reporting these broken features to see what insight we can gain from them because this is what we should have been doing anyways.

We'd be celebrating on the 16th-ish that i19 was released per their hopes (and ours), not after thanksgiving-ish.

All this has me looking forward to i20 in 2011-ish!

And that's the problem!

If they actually did give this person's bug report serious consideration can be left open to discussion another time.

It's the fact that they are making it much harder on themselves than they have to if they actually were trying to fix it themselves. It's not until they focused on it and solicited many peoples insight did they finally get an understanding that the inherents messed with the already auto functions available to ATs. Maybe they should solicit MORE player feedback, outside of just the fanboi's and girl, to see what direction that they should head their game. But their attempts at that usually end up in the rubble that is now PvP.

The trouble is, I actually don't want this game to go under, the cost isn't all that relative. ESPN can be had in lots of different mediums, there's not real much vested interest in lots of corporate entities, but the characters I have spent so much time building and playing won't transfer over to that new Superhero game coming.

It's the boredome that has arisen the last few years that has been troubling.

I want them to know that outside of the people smothering praise on anything they say, they have to do business better. They are a bunch of IT people trying to also maintain a business structure, because lets be real, if you can't sell it, it will be hard to keep making it. Their business abilities are hindering their IT capabilities.

To blame a mass exodus of people all on the economy and not owning up to at least half of it on short-sightedness is detrimental to the overall sustainability of this game. I love hearing how the economy is the root of all evil and why something is doing bad. "The economy is the reason for GM's downfall!" No, if they actually took it upon themselves to adapt to changing habits they would have been better positioned with the competition out there. Quite a few other automakers did just fine for themselves these past few years. With the new influx of competition coming I hope these guys step up their game, I would actually like to get the 10 incarnate levels I was sold on when I purchased the "expansion".

If this game was proactive in trying to keep players with all of those people that have left in the past year and a half I don't see how not listening to 20-24k people seems to help them give a clear picture on how to maintain their business. (I used the PvP crowd as a base of reference as it was a pretty substantial amount to not listen to.)


Bottom line is getting something out there to make sure a rather large chunk of their customers would enjoy, no matter if the "I could care less if this game EVER added content" crowd doesn't see the big picture (the more people the longer the game you like to enjoy survives).

I understand issues arise and programming can be rather tough. But my point up top is that they seem to be ignoring the main ingredient for what should ensure this games future. Gauging the pulse of their customers. They have this large forum for their customers to congregate to, give players beta invites and yet they don't pay attention to someone posting that their Kheldian no longer works since the beginning of closed beta and they JUST now got to soliciting insight of what's going on because it seems like it is more game breaking than just to the one specific guy that happens to play a Kheldian in their beta, why does someone get invited to "closed beta" if they're not going to be listened to?

Thank you for your assertion but no you are wrong. I've been playing this game for a long time, the way things have been going for the last year have caused me to finally voice my opinions on these forums (forum reg date is less than a year) because all of the people touting how great any setback is finally got under my skin. I could care less about being bombarded with comments from all of the people that see no evil, hear no evil, but maybe someone who wants to aspire for things to be better will decide to voice their opinion as well.

I'm upset that yes I am paying for something that keeps getting postponed, what if everyone wanted to postpone their payments, wouldn't they want to work harder to make sure their product survives?

Expect more and just maybe you will get it!

Captain Hindsight will always be there, right after something happens!

I still have the right to say the people leading need to have better vision. Why? Because I've paid my fees just like you. The information was there, they've just failed to acknowledge it. The passengers on the Titanic didn't need Captain Hindsight to save the day, they needed to have their leaders look out for that iceberg.