Going Rogue/Issue 18 - Patch notes & Known Issues for build 1850.201007290104.20T2

As far as I can tell I have yet to find a difficulty changing person in praetoria or pocket d. So please enlighten me as to where they are hiding at cuz I dont see em at all.

I think they're referring to the AV's shield. He goes untouchable when the shield's up, yet can still shoot out through it, thus being what is technically known to most players as a 'Cheating git'...

He was being sarcastic, he knows they aren't present yet. Hence the
Oh yeah.

Smallish Beta? Wasn't it like 4 months long?

There's a difference between difficulty and tedium. When two even-level syndicate LTs can kill a nearly full health scrapper in a single volley of attacks, that's not difficulty. The only challenge involved there is avoiding death by boredom as you trek back from the hospital with a fresh tray of insps over and over again.

Most of the praetorian mobs are fine. A bit on the hard side, but not ridiculously so. Syndicate are not. They desperately needed toning down, and I'm very happy to see it done.

Yes, because all the brand new players that GR was supposed to draw in, know that they need to do this.

AoE DoTs, as well as people like Resistance and Clockwork being really AoE heavy in general (if you don't stand in the right spot you get smacked as part of the alpha). Not to mention all the allies that take away your stealth, and the fact that several bosses have Tactics. Been hard playing a Stalker.

On the other hand, there are a handful of missions that let you just ghost straight through them if you want. Although given the low exp for that I'm not sure that's a tradeoff.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

I dont think you understood what they ment. When his shield is up he is in an Only Affecting Self bubble. Despite that he is able to attack through it while being completely untouchable. So people running the CoP are getting slaughtered by the AV while they are trying to clear the spawns to drop his shield.

Not the player's PFF, the AV is shooting through its PFF. Something that Castle came out and said it was a bug that they couldn't replicate. I did, and have a demorecord to prove it. Admittedly there is 40 minutes of "hilarity" in trying to get the obelisks synced in that file, but the last few minutes the AV was attacking/killing players through his shield.

Castle said that the AV should be under an "Only Affects Self" while in its shield.

So this should not be happening:

Click for Ruladak crystal grenade explosion on me.

Neither should this:

Click for Ruladak shooting red energy blast.

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See, with the exception of the bosses and key enemies I found Syndicate notably easier than many of the other enemy groups. That's why I'm sort of in "wha huh?" mode to them getting toned down.

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Not everyone who is new enjoys easymode. When I first started this game, I was rather shocked at being able to take on multiple yellow and orange mobs in Atlas. People coming from other MMOs or even other video games will not immediately assume that they should be able to run into a spawn and survive.

No. More like, let's screw the vets who complain that everything is too hard to do instead of trying to get better.

The mission tells you to pick flowers. In many games, you would just have to...you know...walk over and try to pick the flowers. Here, they glow and make noise and on top of that they tell you exactly how to get to them. Why not just have the game finish the mission for your?

What's so bad about figuring things out for yourself once in awhile. Or *gasp* maybe working with others who have figured it out. Building some community at the same time.

Again, like I said above, in many games you wouldn't even get the cues you get here. Personally, I don't think it's new players we're helping so much.

The mission tells you to pick flowers. I'm not even convinced you need to have the locations on the map. I certainly don't use them with the fact that the frikken things GLOW and MAKE NOISE.

If it's an ATI card, FSAA and Ambient Occlusion have not worked well together for most cards and drivers. If you had them working well for a while, then count yourself lucky.

You can see if there's a new driver that will fix it.

If not, my recommendation is shutting off AO. Then, while monitoring your FPS (/showfps 1), turn up FSAA until you get a big FPS hit, then bring it down 1 from that.



Excellent idea! <clicks on auto-complete> DING! Hey, I leveled!

The point of the mission is to teach you how zone glowies work.

If they plan on having missions with zone glowies not right near the contact you'll need to know how to find them.

Yeah, those games that don't give you proper cues? We call that bad game design. Early video game developers were still trying to figure out what made a good game, and as we've learned over the past 20 years or so, throwing the player to the wolves with no guidance or instructions is not a virtue in game design.

I should point out that the game picks random rose bushes to be the "zowies" each time you do the mission, and if there are no glowing bushes immediately in the vicinity of the flower vendor (which has happened to me a few times), a new player is going to see nothing but non-interactive world objects and wonder which flowers the game is talking about.

So, sorry. "Lrn2play noob" is a discredited philosophy. Everyone else would much rather have clear instructions while they're recreating.

Not so new as to not know what the colors and con system mean I guess. The first few levels teach you about the game and get you acquainted with your AT and your powerset. If you're incredibly amazing and don't need that, that's fine, but not everyone is as gifted as you and wants to go straight to soloing EBs.

If you want difficulty that's fine, but you should realize that THE STARTING ZONES are the worst place to add "really hard, difficult stuff for veteran players." Because um, those zones are for newbies. New players, new characters.

Supposedly i19 will have your really tough content for vets. Wait a bit.

Ugh. You really can't think like a new player at all. One of the biggest questions in broadcast is what to do about this mission. People don't think about outside glowies. Some people don't even know what glowies are if they're new. Also normal glowies don't show up on the map even in glowie missions until you've cleared a lot of the map. "Walk around looking for glowies" isn't the first thought on a lot of people's minds.

Even if it is, the mission is a teaching/learning tool. The flowers may be easy to find even without the map, but not all of them are like that. I did one yesterday with trash cans. I had to find 10 and they were spread far and wide across the entire city. Without the map this could've taken me hours, scouring through every alleyway and checking under every rock and pebble to find glowing cans. And for basically no exp. Yeah that's a fun mission.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

I agree with this. The gambler's cut spammed by the Sword Adepts and the accurate martial arts attacks used by the Brawler Adepts were pretty mean. Sure, with inspiration use they can be overcome, but in ambush waves, they're nasty.

I found out one of the reason why there's such as huge perception difference in difficulty is based on the type of AT you play. The Syndicate are easy if you're ranged - almost ridiculously so. They can be difficult to melee ATs.

I've had in game friends who simply took squishies with hover and have completely laughed at the Praetorian content whereas some of them made brutes/scrappers/tanks and had a much harder time of it.

Aye. This definitely happens. I can point to the kill 80 Clockwork mission given by Penelope Yin as an example. You enter the mission with a team and Noble Savage will immediately aggro on any Loyalist members. Resistance members won't even be able to target Noble Savage. But here's the weird thing. If you get close to Noble Savage as your teammates use an AoE, they will damage you. Further, MM pets con orange to players of the opposing faction.

It's unintended PvP.

Thank you. Can we expect other Praetorian groups to get looked at in future patches?

Resistance members having Defence, for instance, pretty much negates the entire point of the Beginner's Luck buff that was added in. Just looked at the numbers while fighting Wrencher in the tutorial; he has 10% defence, taking my first-level accuracy from 90 down to almost baseline, 80.

If the Syndicate hit too hard, wouldn't the same philosophy suggest that the Resistance avoid too much damage?