Important System Improvements in Going Rogue
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Posted on: 2010-06-22 09:55 in Developers' Corner
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because it is based on ideas as flawed as your grammar.
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Originally Posted by Jet_Boy
Why on Earth would my *opinion* need fixed?
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How do your hero characters know where the goods they buy at Wentworth's come from? As War Witch said, the paperwork is immaculate. You're using out of character knowledge for the benefit of your characters' souls. That's a mega-RP no no.|
Originally Posted by Venture
Sad, but not surprising. My hero characters will never use the market again.
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On that topic:
Do your hero characters only buy fair trade coffee?
Do your hero characters shop at Wal-Mart?
Do your hero characters buy foreign oil that supports terrorism?
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Sad news. This will come back to bite you in the ***.
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Originally Posted by War Witch
The Auction House markets for Heroes and Villains will become ONE
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More evidence of the need for basic economics literacy to be required in high school curricula.
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Originally Posted by Kheldarn
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Originally Posted by Kheldarn
Sad news. This will come back to bite you in the ***.
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This just in: the literal-minded and rigid-thinking may not be as good at RP as they think they are.
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
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Well said.
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Perhaps it is because the following points from your opinion are not opinion but assumed facts that are fallacies?|
Originally Posted by Jet_Boy
Why on Earth would my *opinion* need fixed?
Edit: Wow... so many people trying to *correct* my opinion. One would think there might be something to it. 8D |
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| However, the Marketeers that are creating the same manipulations in the market today (1,000,000 common salvage, for example) are simply being given a larger playing field. |
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I want to use the market to get a specific piece of salvage or something, especially with the intro of the temp combat powers. On blue side, that tended to be difficult at best, but at least on red side it could be done more times than not. |
When a person states things as facts that are not and uses those "facts" to form their opinion, it is not defensible to say their mis-facrts are okay because it is part of their opinion.
But you go you with your "logic".
Clearly millions telling you the world is not flat would mean you were on to something.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Don't you use Architect Entertainment? Like, a lot? Isn't that still a joint venture of Dr. Aeon and Crey Corporation?|
Originally Posted by Venture
Sad, but not surprising. My hero characters will never use the market again.
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Well, far be it from me to dissuade you.
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Ok... insult aside. Because it doesn't agree with yours, it's flawed? |
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
because it is based on ideas as flawed as your grammar.
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It's my "opinion,* no more valid or invalid than yours and the only way it changes is if I change it. Present me some form of fact - which there can't possibly be, for the simple fact as the market merge hasn't happened or had a chance to settle in yet - and I might consider it, otherwise you're simply wasting your time.
My opinion stands: I think it's a bad idea that benefits the few over the many, done for the sake of behind-the-scenes simplicity.
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This is great news. I've been waiting for this ever since I realized that the red market was a piss-poor imitation of a real market that's designed to make it harder for me to enjoy the villain side.
War Witch suggested that Wentworth's is connected to the Black Market, that this is a new thing.
Have some fun with it, RPers! Being an RPer myself, I intend to introduce a little bit of dramatic irony and have my characters oblivious to this.
Any character you RP at a level lower than 50 already operates deprived of knowledge that you, the player have. Your character doesn't know what started the Rikti war, do they? If they did, they'd skip the entire Rikti War Zone and go after <BLEEP!>. Howzabout your character doesn't know Wentworth's is having shady dealings?
The only people I can genuinely imagine having dire problems with this are The Wentworth's, the group of RPers that are extremely well known for RPing the collective group of WW employees. I genuinely feel bad for them, as they in particular may have the most legitimate claim to being strong armed into RPing differently.
Other than that, I say just adjust a tiny bit.
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That's your theory. Opinions are a matter of taste.|
Originally Posted by Jet_Boy
My opinion stands: I think it's a bad idea that benefits the few over the many, done for the sake of behind-the-scenes simplicity.
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It is not my opinion that there is a dead kitten beneath my car seat. It's my schizophrenia.
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Not only did I pass my economics class in HS with flying colors, I was also the top student in the class.
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
More evidence of the need for basic economics literacy to be required in high school curricula.
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Clearly I was hasty in removing the link to the article on the network effect from my signature. The short version is that a system whose value depends on the number of connections between participants becomes more valuable as the number of participants increases. If the markets had not been de jure merged, then post-GR a de facto merge would have occurred anyway as anyone who cared to use the market at all would change faction until they had access to the hero market. This would have had a profound negative impact on the tangible benefits of the GR expansion.|
Originally Posted by Jet_Boy
Present me some form of fact
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Of course, that is only my opinion. However, it happens to be backed with reason and evidence, while yours is based on assertions that are provably false. We could argue about this all day if you like, but the fact of the matter is that the developers have already taken a position I agree with and I don't need to convince anyone else.
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Originally Posted by Kheldarn
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Wentworth's is a business that deals exclusively in items used to make superhumans (i.e. the most dangerous things in the world) more powerful. It would necessarily be the most heavily scrutinized and regulated business in the history of human endeavor. This is in a world with people who can read minds, see through walls, predict the future, etc. It's utterly absurd to think there could be an open pipeline of goods flowing through Went's to and from the Rogue Islands without anyone knowing about it. Once discovered, the company would be shut down, permanently, no saving throw. (Not necessarily by the government -- what do you think e.g. Manticore would do if he had solid evidence Went's was dirty?)| Would you either PM me your justifications or post them here? I'm very curious. |
In order for this state of affairs to persist, it must be the case that Wentworth's is openly corrupt and is being protected by the government -- which is simultaneously refusing to recognize the Rogue Isles, embargoing and giving support to the Phalanx's private war against such, etc. Which makes no sense. It doesn't make much sense that heroes would knowingly market their Weapons Of Mass Destruction components through a company known to be doing business with superhuman terrorists, either, but the average player doesn't give a fig for such trifles as world consistency.
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Meanwhile, other 'things' are simply not available redside, at *any* price. Just not enough volume. The merger will partially alleviate that little problem, and I for one am pleased as the proverbial punch(voke).
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Originally Posted by Jet_Boy
I have had an easier time on red side acquiring the same things.
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This is good news IMO.
I've always been pretty meh when it comes to RP explanations of most game mechanics (like AE is just silly as is the RP explanations of power proliferation 
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As we had originally been lead to believe, if the markets remained separate with the launch of GR, I could foresee people taking characters redside temporarily just for better prices on high end enhancements and recipes. This presented a BIGGER disjuncture in terms of RP desires versus actual game world realities.
Good work devs. Looking forward to August.
You know, the only downside I can see to this is that if the market's getting reset, then the minority of people who are using bids on level 51 and greater recipes/IO's to store excess inf will need to yank their bids off the market and convert them to some form they can store, or Gleemail (what the hell, it's now sanctioned terminology ) it to a bank alt. Or three, depending on how far past the inf cap they are.
This also holds for people close to the inf cap who also have bids posted and items listed where refunds could take them over the cap. Make sure you've got space in your bank balance for any refunds.
Unless of course the inf cap's going up, but I consider *that* unlikely.... Then again, I considered a market merge unlikely...
That said, Thank You.
Thank you for the ongoing game that I'm still enjoying after 5 and a bit years. Thank you for keeping the game refreshed. Thank you for appearing to listen to what the playerbase wants and implementing things that make sense.
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The above post may contain Cynicism, sarcasm and/or pessimism. If you object to the quantities contained, then tough.
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No, it's because your opinion doesn't make sense.|
Originally Posted by Jet_Boy
Ok... insult aside. Because it doesn't agree with yours, it's flawed?
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It's based on fear of people who enjoy the market game without a thorough understanding of what makes the market game possible.
The larger the market, the harder it is for market players to control conditions. This isn't an "opinion" in the sense that "I like ice cream" is an opinion. It's an opinion based on study of economics. More market participants limits the ability of any one person to exercise market power in an segment of the market.
Here is a really basic explanation of what I'm talking about:
http://www.investopedia.com/universi...economics6.asp
More people participating in a market, which we get in a market merger, hurts the market players abilities. It makes it harder because they have more competition in the now combined and larger market.
I know you're going to say something along the lines of the evil marketeers will foul this logical system up, but it just doesn't work that way. Marketeers don't control this market. They never have. Market players can affect short term price disruptions, but they are VERY easy to break up assuming enough supply is created.
A market merge helps ensure that we'll have enough supply in the total market to ensure that it's harder for folks to manipulate.
The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.
The Nethergoat Archive: all my memories, all my characters, all my thoughts on CoH...eventually.
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