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Mystic Fortune Annoyance

Aisynia

By Aisynia,
Posted on: 2010-05-21 17:06 in CoH and CoV General Discussions

 

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Originally Posted by Tenzhi View Post
It makes a noise? I haven't noticed.
I sure notice it. On a team whith dozens of things going on, it kinda gets drowned out, but not always. Otherwise, its a sharp pain to my ear every 7 seconds. Some people are just more sensitive to different sounds than others.

 

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Originally Posted by Serevus View Post
Quite frankly, I find it a miracle that the Devs can manage to tweak anything at all in the game anymore. If it's changed, it WILL be complained about.
Sure, but that's to be expected. It's human nature. Therefore, a certain level of complaining is flat-out IGNORED at all times. Besides, if they never changed anything, people would complain about that.

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I hate Mystic Fortune. It's just the rich folk rubbing their ten bucks in my face each time they cast it. Grrrr.

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Originally Posted by EU_Damz View Post
Devs: Will they EVER be happy!?
Haha! I second this. After reading this far I've figured out that this is really just an "I hate Speedboost" thread. Lose "The Fool" as one of the Mystic Fortune buffs and this thread would never have been.

That and the "test my toon" mentality is rather amusing.

 

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Originally Posted by Bounder View Post
I sure notice it. On a team whith dozens of things going on, it kinda gets drowned out, but not always. Otherwise, its a sharp pain to my ear every 7 seconds. Some people are just more sensitive to different sounds than others.
Others are just whiners.


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Originally Posted by Blood Spectre View Post
Others are just whiners.
To throw it back at you: Are you whining about people you think are whiners? Tsk. See how silly that was for me to throw out there? Same as you.

Seriously, why shouldn't people have choices? Why call people that want a quality of life change whiners? Do you not want people to be able to decline something you know annoys them just so you can be a little RPG bully and get glee from inflicting it on them?

 

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There is a major difference between Mystic Fortune and all other buffs that other players can give you. It lasts twenty minutes.

People criticizing others for not liking or wanting something in a video game is (At the very least) akin to what those critics say about those that they are criticizing.


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Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven View Post
Therefore, either give ALL buffs the ability to be cancelled by the player, or leave it as it is now and give NONE of them that ability. Changing just [Mystic Fortune] is stupid, IMO.
If Mystic Fortune lasted the 2-5 minutes that other player cast buffs last... Then maybe this would be true.

Honestly, I think changing Mystic Fortune's duration is the way to go.

I don't begrudge other "drive by" buffs. If I really didn't want it, it's not very long until it goes away.
Not only does Mystic Fortune last for twenty minutes, but neither trips to the hospital nor logging out do any good towards getting rid of it.

For all those who are not annoyed by this, have a bit of care for those who are. Reasonable sollutions are there to be had.

Me, personally, I don't like the visual and audio effects. To be perfectly honest, I was surprised just how much this change bothered me in practice.

Castle did respond about it once. Indeed it was due to an exploit and he tried to solve this without getting rid of the pop up dialog, but he was unsuccessful.

To prattle on further about this... Ice Armor, Thermal Shields, Force Field Bubbles, etc. all are thematic to the buffing player's chosen powersets. And they only last a short amount of time.
Mystic Fortune is usable by any powerset, which makes it quite prevalent (Clearly many players have bought this booster pack). And it lasts a lot longer than any other player cast buff.

It is an entirely different monster than the same old same old drive-by buffer hate... And doesn't require the whole buffing system to be addressed in order to smooth this one particular power out.

Mystic Fortune had an opt out in it originally for a reason (Or two or three). And it stands to reason that something about the power itself should be changed if the opt out were to be removed.


Those are my four cents (double the amount for the dual personality)

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Originally Posted by Bounder View Post
To throw it back at you: Are you whining about people you think are whiners? Tsk. See how silly that was for me to throw out there? Same as you.

Seriously, why shouldn't people have choices? Why call people that want a quality of life change whiners? Do you not want people to be able to decline something you know annoys them just so you can be a little RPG bully and get glee from inflicting it on them?
You dont know me champ. I've never tossed out a Fortune on someone who didnt cast it on me first. I figure most people do unto others as they'd have others do unto them.

I just think making a huge deal about it the way you are is pretty lame. It's NOT a big sound, it's NOT a big graphic, and it's NOT a sizable buff. Don't be such a whiner about it.


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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion View Post
The prompt was taken away because if left alone the buff(s) could/did get exploited (from what I gather from what the devs have said).
An ex SG member, would have multiple poeple cue up Mystic Fortune on her, and then she'd run up to them, and get multiple Fortune's cast on her.

Did this do away with that?

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Originally Posted by Clave_Dark_5 View Post
Fixed that for you.
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Originally Posted by Slashman View Post
I generally HATE drive-by buffers.
You know, it boggles the mind how you can "HATE" someone who is being friendly enough to take the time to give you a *small* buff which helps you progress. Talk about being overly anal, I think you have more issues to contend with then fighting off do-gooders.

 

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Originally Posted by Peacemoon View Post
You know, it boggles the mind how you can "HATE" someone who is being friendly enough to take the time to give you a *small* buff which helps you progress. Talk about being overly anal, I think you have more issues to contend with then fighting off do-gooders.
Let me rephrase that then to me hating drive by buffing.

The majority of the time it is done, it is not helpful. Buffing me to the teeth at WW or the Black Market is absolutely worthless. And most people here know that is when most buffs of this nature are cast.

Regardless of if people think they are being helpful or not, a bit of common sense is all that is required to make a smart choice as to when to throw a buff on someone. If you meet someone fighting in the streets and they look like they could use some help, that is a perfect time to buff/heal them.

I have never posted before to complain about getting buffs from people in any case. But this specific buff does irritate me. It lasts too long to be considered a minor annoyance that I can wait to wear off.

If you have trouble understanding how other people could find that annoying, then at least ask yourself why the devs felt a need to have the buff be optional in the first place. If they thought that a 20 minute buff was OK to be held to the same rules as the other short duration buff, then why waste the time to include an option to reject it?

I'm just asking for that option back, or at least a viable alternative.

 

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Originally Posted by Blood Spectre View Post
You dont know me champ. I've never tossed out a Fortune on someone who didnt cast it on me first. I figure most people do unto others as they'd have others do unto them.

I just think making a huge deal about it the way you are is pretty lame. It's NOT a big sound, it's NOT a big graphic, and it's NOT a sizable buff. Don't be such a whiner about it.
You are the one that quoted me first and then threw out the whiners line, champ.

If aspects of the buff don't bother you, fine. Obviously it does bother others enough for them to wish a change. Doesn't equate them as lame.

I'm sure there are things you find annoying that others do not. Someone shouldnt jump out of nowhere and call you lame and whiner for it.

 

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Originally Posted by Impish Kat View Post
I thought Mystic Fortune only lasted 2 minutes...?

And RobertoLyon, you forgot the cover charge.... 20 inf. per person please...


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Pays 20 INF grabs a chair, some popcorn and a Large Coke.

No Impish Mystic Fortunes powers do last quite a while I never timed it but 20 minutes does sound reasonable. I have had someone hit me with one at the mission entrance and it was still active when we completed it and headed into the next Mission.

So are there previews with this weeks Drive By Buff rant? Or does the film just start rolling? "Hey I asked for extra butter on my popcorn!" /e summons Phantasm and send it to snackbar to request more butter.

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Buffs are intrinsically designed to be cast on other players, including those at random. Buffing others are the designed function of a substancial number of powers. People who Buff you at random are just playing the game the way it's designed, and most likely have no concept of their conduct as being anything other than helpful. Yes, even after you tell them otherwise. Telling a Buffer to not buff is like telling a Blaster to not deal damage.

Powers which were seen as actually exploitable or harmful to the gaming experience of others, such as Rescucitate powers and Recall powers, were modified to include permission slips.
In strictly gameplay terms, there is no downside to getting buffed. It's likely extremely unfaesible for the Devs to modify existing code to make Buffs optional, particularly when those Buffs are not being used to disrupt the game in a measureable way. It comes down to personal preference of the players.

The best workaround that I can offer: Play on a low-population server to reduce your chances of random buffs.
Or, alternatively, if it's the multiplayer experience this game is offering you which is getting you down, consider an alternative game. Something with a private server, perhaps.

 

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Originally Posted by LISAR View Post
The worse part about MMOs sometimes are all the other players.
hahahaha

Classic.

I want..I want...I want...is all I hear, but funny thing is, there was a huge group of players thanking this got turned to auto accept, that doesn't even count folks who don't post on the boards.

Biggest complaint you hear about this, It doesn't fit me RP wise, or I dont like the graphics or it somehow bogs my system down(for god's sake if that bogs your system down, stop playing the game all together). I just don't want buffs(Your in a Multi Player Video game, it's like real life, sometimes you gotta interact with people on here too(I know right?), even if you don't want too).

Vast majority of the player base was happy about this change, as well as the buff itself was a fix to an exploit, & those complaining are in the minority on the subject. I personally find the auto accept great, means I didn't waist my buff on friend who isn't paying attention or is AFK. Every team I run, everyone has liked the buff(all my regulars & pug'rs) I've yet to come across anyone who said, I don't like this, stop. I cycle through hundred's of players a month easily.

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I fail to see where the problem is here.

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I'm confused (and maybe I missed it scanning the posts).

What is wrong with the MF buffs? They are lite on the gfx and for the most part are a minor adjustment at best.

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Originally Posted by Bounder View Post
You are the one that quoted me first and then threw out the whiners line, champ.

If aspects of the buff don't bother you, fine. Obviously it does bother others enough for them to wish a change. Doesn't equate them as lame.

I'm sure there are things you find annoying that others do not. Someone shouldnt jump out of nowhere and call you lame and whiner for it.
That is exactly what they should do if I start lamely whining about the little things that bother me.


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Originally Posted by Blood Spectre View Post
That is exactly what they should do if I start lamely whining about the little things that bother me.

 

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Originally Posted by Chyll View Post
I'm confused (and maybe I missed it scanning the posts).

What is wrong with the MF buffs? They are lite on the gfx and for the most part are a minor adjustment at best.
One guy in this thread felt that even the "minor graphics" ruined some screen shots he was taking. I'm not in that camp, myself, but I can see why some people might be bothered by things like that.

 

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Originally Posted by Chyll View Post
I'm confused (and maybe I missed it scanning the posts).

What is wrong with the MF buffs? They are lite on the gfx and for the most part are a minor adjustment at best.
I'm going to have to guess its the "Fool" card? Unable to control their toons and the -neg whatever that is attached to it would be my guess. Now my search-fu is weak but i thought i remember a redname saying "turning off player buffs wasnt an option"...if thats the case send in your pm and move along...or grab your picket sign and prepare for the coming storm

 

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Originally Posted by Bounder View Post
Your skin is ugly.

But you see how I said sorry at the end there. I knew I was being lame and whiney, and was acknowledging that. That's why you pointing it out here doesn't bother me. I already pointed it out myself.


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Originally Posted by Exodus_V View Post
I'm going to have to guess its the "Fool" card? Unable to control their toons and the -neg whatever that is attached to it would be my guess. Now my search-fu is weak but i thought i remember a redname saying "turning off player buffs wasnt an option"...if thats the case send in your pm and move along...or grab your picket sign and prepare for the coming storm
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Originally Posted by Clave_Dark_5 View Post
One guy in this thread felt that even the "minor graphics" ruined some screen shots he was taking. I'm not in that camp, myself, but I can see why some people might be bothered by things like that.
Ah, I had forgotten about [The Fool].

OK, I understand the complaint now, at least. Not sure I agree, but I'm not confused, so I call that progress.

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Originally Posted by Chyll View Post
Ah, I had forgotten about [The Fool].

OK, I understand the complaint now, at least. Not sure I agree, but I'm not confused, so I call that progress.
To be clear here(and I didn't think I needed to be any more clear...but OK), I don't want Mystic Fortune to go away. I do not want buffing to go away. I can live with(don't really like, but can live with) the usual drive-by buffs that people normally throw around.

I have not asked, nor did I intend to ask that all buffs have the option to be rejected.

My only request is that we are given the option to reject only Mystic Fortune. And failing the feasibility of that, then let us delete the buff just as we used to delete the buffs gotten from Safeguards and Mayhems. That's it. People can continue to drive by buff as they have been since forever. People can buff people to the roof in WW or the Black Market just like before.

The ability to delete the buff seems like the smartest solution. The reject option can stay disabled and then everyone wins. I never called for any other changes.

I'm trying to understand why someone asking for this turns out to be such a big deal. It really isn't.