New GR Info Up. Calvin Scott and Ghouls
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Posted on: 2010-03-18 11:41 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Well,ollowing the idea that they are remnants of tortured 'victims' of Tyrant,... then they are some of the black/gray shading of the lilly white Praetorian rule.|
Originally Posted by BeyondReach
If we are being given two groups that are supposed to be similarly if not equally morally gray, where is the gray in the Ghouls?
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So they may lack a moral element of their own, but they could be part of the moral challenge of the Loyalists.
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My guess? They have similar origin to Calvin Scott...these are the guys that didn't escape or couldn't recover from Mother of Mercy Psychiatric Hospital.
Hamidon Wars? Hm, this background is getting more and more interesting.
And the Ghouls look like the Banished Pantheon to me, stylistically... but I also feel they share some themes with both the Vahzilok and the Lost.
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Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire
Hamidon Wars? Hm, this background is getting more and more interesting.
And the Ghouls look like the Banished Pantheon to me, stylistically... but I also feel they share some themes with both the Vahzilok and the Lost. |
I'm betting on Dr. Vahzilok. If you think about, a technological and scientific genius who can resurrect the dead and isn't under the thumb of Tyrant is a grave, grave threat. Combined with the same super-sanity/insanity that is the Dr. V we all know and love and BLAMO! Zombies with ankle bracelets.
I thought they would at least make the Ghouls look different as opposed to zombies in shackles. This game just recycles everything - and it really sucks. Signature characters are diff versions of the same main ones (for the most part); constantly using the same maps, enemies and so on. The look of this game is getting to be very....bland.
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I'd like to see a game out there that doesn't recycle something somewhat. /sarcasm|
Originally Posted by TheJazMan
I thought they would at least make the Ghouls look different as opposed to zombies in shackles. This game just recycles everything - and it really sucks. Signature characters are diff versions of the same main ones (for the most part); constantly using the same maps, enemies and so on. The look of this game is getting to be very....bland.
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Originally Posted by Nightphall
I'd like to see a game out there that doesn't recycle something somewhat. /sarcasm
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WoW = 40 different kinds of Boar, different skins, heck even some of the Raid bosses are tweaked and then put out as new models (Ragnaros model was tweaked to create the end boss of a 5 man dungeon in Burning Crusade, Maxxena the giant spider in Naxxramas was used as a new normal spider model in Burning Crusade).
So even the mighty WoW with all their dev team recycle mobs and they do it A LOT (Boars, Wolves, Giant Spiders, Raptors, Crabs...heck any 'animal' tends to be recycled).
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Considering how long he's been making posts along these lines i suspect you're looking at it.
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Originally Posted by Nightphall
I'd like to see a game out there that doesn't recycle something somewhat. /sarcasm
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I think Dr V would be more likely to either work for Tyrant if the Praetorian version was as evil as the Primal Earth one, or help the Resistance if he was good.
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Originally Posted by RadDidIt
I'm betting on Dr. Vahzilok. If you think about, a technological and scientific genius who can resurrect the dead and isn't under the thumb of Tyrant is a grave, grave threat. Combined with the same super-sanity/insanity that is the Dr. V we all know and love and BLAMO! Zombies with ankle bracelets.
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If he "worked" for Tyrant, it would only be to give himself access to superpowered body parts. At the very least, I'll agree. If Dr. V IS working for the Emperor, then these, like Arachnoids, are the "flushed down the toilet" results.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I think Dr V would be more likely to either work for Tyrant if the Praetorian version was as evil as the Primal Earth one, or help the Resistance if he was good.
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Ego, Superego, and Id are parts of the mind, not the soul (though there are some people who'd tell you that the mind and soul are two names for the same thing).|
Originally Posted by NarfMann
Maybe the Ghouls are people who've had their higher souls, their super-egos, ripped out of them and placed into the clockwork. In order to have an ego, a person must also have both an id and super-ego. The desire to be individual and the reasoning capacity to be rational. If you remove the super-ego you have a perfect being of reason and order without any ambition or emotion, and if you can find a way to put it in a mechanical body you have the perfect slave. The Ghouls seem like they're all pure id, but apparently are flesh and bone, so maybe there's some reason they can't be destroyed by the Emporer without ending his precious clockwork...
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Along the same idea, though, you could consider the Hun and Po souls in Taoism. The Hun soul is more subtle than the Po; it is ethereal and lighter than the Po, and so leaves the body at the time of physical death. The Po soul is more physical and corporeal; it sticks around after physical death.
In some interpretations of the Hun-Po idea, the Hun, or 'higher soul', enters the cycle of reincarnation immediately after death. If not properly dealt with, the Po, or 'lower soul', will remain in the body or sink into the earth, and become a hungry ghost. Po would probably have been blamed for unexplained deaths.
Hun-Po is also fairly closely linked to Yin-Yang. The opposites contain and reflect one another, which I think fits nicely with the theme of GR, as well as the stuff we've heard of it so far. But that might just be coincidental, due to the same Yin-Yang reflections that have permeated creativity for so long, that nobody thinks back to the original source.
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I was thinking BP at first too. I recently was reading up on them at Paragonwiki and supposedly the gods in said pantheon have been around for a long, long time, so it would make sense that they'd have some sort of face to show off here... maybe.
But these new guys do look techy.
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Calling an enemy group "the ghouls" is a lot like calling it "the warriors." You're bound to run into one exactly like it if you look hard enough for the simple fact that it's a fairly common word to use.
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Well the Ghouls do look as if they have been released by someone. They got teck chains on their arms and feet.
Could it be a dark version of doc Vaz? Or someone else.
I was thinking maybe prison or some kind of the Banished Pantheon, but I do believe some new enemy? 
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If the collars on their ankles, wrists, and neck explode when they leave the Dims, and you can pull them up out of the Dims the way you can pull enemies into drones, then blowing up Ghouls will be the funnest mini-game ever. 
EDIT: Oh, and did you notice one of them has plant stuff on his arms? Makes me think they're mutants or something. Maybe these are the many heroes who go missing after flunking out of flunky school.
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My theory: The Ghouls are former Resistance members who have been captured and condemned to death in the Dims. That explains the tech shackles.
Hmmm... Are they with the Resistance or Loyalist or Neutral? That could make or break my theory.
By the way, when do you think we're getting info on the Praetorian Clockwork, Seers and Syndicate? We knew about them at Hero-Con!
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Gouls are what happens to the supers that registered and went *poof*.
I don't think the Ghouls are really related to Dr. V or the BP. I think they just use the same "zombie skins" that are already built into the game, just with different clothes.
Why reinvent the wheel when you already have a good perfectly working one?
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I think they're neutral, as they only seem to be motivated by hunger.
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Originally Posted by cursedsorcerer
My theory: The Ghouls are former Resistance members who have been captured and condemned to death in the Dims. That explains the tech shackles.
Hmmm... Are they with the Resistance or Loyalist or Neutral? That could make or break my theory. |
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OMG! I want those wrist/ankle/neck shakcles/collars/whatever you want to call them, as costume options!
Not only that, I want them to be costume items that work with exsisting gloves/boots (I'll forgive the neck one having to be used by itself).
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You want to RP a Ghoul? I'm not sure there'd be much character development for them |
Originally Posted by BrandX
OMG! I want those wrist/ankle/neck shakcles/collars/whatever you want to call them, as costume options!
Not only that, I want them to be costume items that work with exsisting gloves/boots (I'll forgive the neck one having to be used by itself). |
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Who said those with those collars/shackles have to be ghouls? |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
You want to RP a Ghoul? I'm not sure there'd be much character development for them
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Exactly, there's more than enough room for released/escaped prisoners or experiments than you can shake a stick at.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Who said those with those collars/shackles have to be ghouls?
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Pity there's not a 'frills only' version of the Jester boots/gloves.
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The shackles they wear seem distinctly tech-like.
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