Oh look, another thread from another poster telling others what powers they must take since they joined a team. How original.
This makes me a saaaaaaad panda....
That's just wrong.
I'm referring to you wanting to kick the Defender, not her not taking the ally bubbles.
Agua Man lvl 48 Water/Electric Blaster
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Was it a MO attempt? If not . . . . . . . . whats the problem?
Was the tf so hard that you NEEDED the bubbles [which the def would have shot down after just one hit 
] to do well?
Strange builds are fun! I actually enjoy teams a whole lot more when people have them! My MA/SR scrapper once had the fear PbAoE power from the pool powers, always great to see everybodys reaction when i use it
Different is good!
Edit: Also if its anybody's fault its your fault for not saying you didnt want to join a team with wierd builds ^_^
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I agree with you that extremely stupid builds should not join PuGs.
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Originally Posted by Part_Troll
ITF on Virtue. Many scrappers, some blasters, a tank, a controller and a FF defender.
First mission I notice a distinct lack of personal bubbles. "Can we please have the team bubbles" 'Sorry, I don't have the small bubbles' Do an Info on the L50 defender -- Personal Force Field, Dispersion Bubble, Force Bubble. That's it. The two team bubble powers completely absent. 'I like playing odd builds, this build can tank like anything when I'm solo ...' It's a freaking TASK FORCE lady! Get your head out of your fundament and use the Dual Builds for a SOLO/PVP version and a TEAM version of your useless defender! Had I been team leader, she would have been unceremoniously booted. As it was, I was just along for the ride, and it was a very sloppy death-filled ride, let me tell you. We prevailed, it was 'okay', but it wasn't anything -like- the kind of Blaster Nirvana I thought I was enrolled in. :/ I did ask her if she also had a petless mastermind ... Ex |
I approve of "different" builds. Hell, I once made an FF/NRG for kicks (literally) called Force Elemental. He was a little Green and purple demon that had ONLY the knockback powers.
It was hella fun.
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Originally Posted by Westley
I approve of "different" builds. Hell, I once made an FF/NRG for kicks (literally) called Force Elemental. He was a little Green and purple demon that had ONLY the knockback powers.
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*steals the idea to cause mayhem*
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If you want mayhem, try a Grav/FF controller. Between Wormhole, Dimension Shift, Force Bolt, Detention Field, Repulsion Field, Repulsion Bomb, and Force Bubble, you are an unparalleled grief machine. Personal Force Field will allow you to survive the chaos you create. Pick up Hibernate from the Ice epic to have more options for surviving your own chaos, or pick up Rise of the Phoenix from the fire epic, so that if you do happen to die (along with the rest of the team) you can pop that and PFF and be all "hey guys, like, um, what happened?"|
Originally Posted by FizRep
*steals the idea to cause mayhem*
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I'm not advocating this, I'm just saying it could be rough.
EDIT: perhaps a trickster god theme would go well with graf/ff.
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I've experienced something on the opposite end. I was on my Force Field / Dark Blast Defender, and was asked out of the blue to join a PuG running Tina MacIntyre's mission arc. I had nothing better to do, so I said sure. When I entered the mission, one of my teammates asked me not to bubble her, and to turn off my "big bubble," because it interfered with her costume.
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I had a similar issue with my MM - I was asked not to use any pets. I had nothing else to do but bubble everyone every 10 seconds. I eventually got bored and summoned my pets. Subsequently I got kicked and everyone else who was on the team quit and made another team w.o the clueless old leader.|
Originally Posted by Celestial_Lord
I've experienced something on the opposite end. I was on my Force Field / Dark Blast Defender, and was asked out of the blue to join a PuG running Tina MacIntyre's mission arc. I had nothing better to do, so I said sure. When I entered the mission, one of my teammates asked me not to bubble her, and to turn off my "big bubble," because it interfered with her costume.
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On the note of the original post - What use is a bubbler if they don't take their bubbles? Maybe I'd understand it with a controller, but a defender? Your job is to defend! That's why the root word is in your title.
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Sounds like the bubbler in question was doing a good job of Defending herself. |
Originally Posted by orangemonkey
On the note of the original post - What use is a bubbler if they don't take their bubbles? Maybe I'd understand it with a controller, but a defender? Your job is to defend! That's why the root word is in your title.
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Agua Man lvl 48 Water/Electric Blaster
"To die hating NCSoft for shutting down City of Heroes, that was Freedom."
Notice how everyone of late wanting to kick said person for not taking the proper powers in teaming.
Notice how the said toon always been female & seems to get butthurt easy
We noticing a trend or this 1 single person that gets around.
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Being that you had a Tank, Controller, and "many" Scrappers, yet still suffered a lot of deaths, I'd say your entire team was at fault and doomed from the start. The ITF isn't hard.
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Originally Posted by UnicyclePeon
If you want mayhem, try a Grav/FF controller. Between Wormhole, Dimension Shift, Force Bolt, Detention Field, Repulsion Field, Repulsion Bomb, and Force Bubble, you are an unparalleled grief machine.
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..Whats it an MO...No?/- STFU
A Mo..Yes??...fair enough
I'll make sure to boot you from my team next time im on US side...Luckyly which i wont (unless a merge happens)
Stop trying to be all god like here. did you get the ITF done? Yes? Stop ya US moaning.
and tbh if your tank needed those buffs...go back to mids. by stone/invul brute can handle an itf without buffs.
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Dispersion Bubble alone is a non-trivial team buff--not so much for the defense, which isn't huge on its own, as for the mez protection. People who don't play ATs without their own mez protection may not appreciate how much good always-on AoE protection does. Of course, with the prevalence of defense-centric IO set builds among squishies, the defense from Dispersion Bubble will help some characters more than you'd think. (It sounds like the defender in question had such a build.)|
Originally Posted by orangemonkey
On the note of the original post - What use is a bubbler if they don't take their bubbles? Maybe I'd understand it with a controller, but a defender? Your job is to defend! That's why the root word is in your title.
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That said, the individual bubbles contribute a lot to survivability for most characters. Even if I decided to make a solo build that skipped them, I'd make a second build with them specifically for teaming. I wouldn't kick/yell at/rant about/insult someone who didn't take them for concept reasons, though. (Though I'll admit I might whine a bit in SG chat.)
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Originally Posted by Dr_HR
..Whats it an MO...No?/- STFU
A Mo..Yes??...fair enough I'll make sure to boot you from my team next time im on US side...Luckyly which i wont (unless a merge happens) Stop trying to be all god like here. did you get the ITF done? Yes? Stop ya US moaning. |
While I'm generally reticent to stick up for Part_Troll (or unwilling - I usually disagree with his posts TBH), I'd be pretty peeved too. If a Defender is adding to the difficulty of a TF, but not pulling their weight, what good are they?
I don't see it as dictating how someone plays their character. They're free to do with their build as they wish. But they shouldn't join a TF without warning that their build isn't anywhere near the norm. Maybe it was just the team leader's fault.
Also, in before the inevitable "I once completed the ITF with a Unyielding-less Tank, an attack-less Scrapper, a Controller with none of their holds, a petless MM, and a Stalker who never used Hide and it was soooooo EZ (also we lived in a wet paper bag at the bottom of the lake); quit whining" post.
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I almost never invite any buffer AT without first quickly veting their build (if i'm not familiar with the individual). You had every right to kick the player but keep in mind you could have just as easily checked out her build BEFORE inviting them. |
Originally Posted by Part_Troll
ITF on Virtue. Many scrappers, some blasters, a tank, a controller and a FF defender.
First mission I notice a distinct lack of personal bubbles. "Can we please have the team bubbles" 'Sorry, I don't have the small bubbles' Do an Info on the L50 defender -- Personal Force Field, Dispersion Bubble, Force Bubble. That's it. The two team bubble powers completely absent. 'I like playing odd builds, this build can tank like anything when I'm solo ...' It's a freaking TASK FORCE lady! Get your head out of your fundament and use the Dual Builds for a SOLO/PVP version and a TEAM version of your useless defender! Had I been team leader, she would have been unceremoniously booted. As it was, I was just along for the ride, and it was a very sloppy death-filled ride, let me tell you. We prevailed, it was 'okay', but it wasn't anything -like- the kind of Blaster Nirvana I thought I was enrolled in. :/ I did ask her if she also had a petless mastermind ... Ex |
here's a scenerio:
step 1: check build (or have a teammate check build)
step 2: If build is not team friendly then..
step 3:"Do you have a second build that is team oriented?"
step 4: if she doesn't, appologies and tell her you're letting her go.
If you can't cope with an ITF without needing bubbles then you've got a bigger problem than somebody playing a non-standard build.
If you specifically wanted a bubbler with bubbles you should have ensured that was specified before the very start of the mission. It is entirely the players choice as to what they play and the powers they take. If you accepted her onto your team then it's your problem if she didn't meet your expectations.
S*** happens, get over yourself.
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The point about adding to team difficulty is good. I expect team members to contribute to success.
If they weren't bubbling, I hope they were blasting the heck out of everything.
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T'be fair, Im on the side of the OP, here.
And, for people going 'whaa, ITF easy, stfu', well, yeah. It's *usually* easy...which makes it all the worse when things go backside up because someone you are relying on can't or wont pull their weight.
Concept builds are fine. But we have dual builds now. Having a concept/RP build and then a functional build would be, while not mandatory, would be expected/polite/nice.
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I would've just shrugged, maybe shared a few laughs over it in a private channel, and moved on. This is a casual-oriented MMO. Expecting a majority of players to have effective builds, a solid grasp of game mechanics and the ability to follow complex orders is unrealistic. Even if it turns out the team can't survive at all without the bubbles, what are you going to do, make her respec on the spot?
I wouldn't bother saying a word unless the person was someone I knew, although sometime I do ask "Is there a reason you're not taking X power?" just in case it's a newbie.
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ok, i'm normally more tolerant about cluelessness, but you did read in his freaking location that he is Australian, right? pointless sweeping nationalistic generalizations only make a poster look stupid.|
Originally Posted by Dr_HR
..Whats it an MO...No?/- STFU
A Mo..Yes??...fair enough I'll make sure to boot you from my team next time im on US side...Luckyly which i wont (unless a merge happens) Stop trying to be all god like here. did you get the ITF done? Yes? Stop ya US moaning. and tbh if your tank needed those buffs...go back to mids. by stone/invul brute can handle an itf without buffs. |
that said, if she wasn't pulling her weight, i'd have made a note of her , but a team should be able to absorb one useless player. and if she was actually making it work, I'd have appreciated a unique take on the powerset.
ITF on Virtue. Many scrappers, some blasters, a tank, a controller and a FF defender.
First mission I notice a distinct lack of personal bubbles.
"Can we please have the team bubbles"
'Sorry, I don't have the small bubbles'
Do an Info on the L50 defender -- Personal Force Field, Dispersion Bubble, Force Bubble. That's it. The two team bubble powers completely absent.
'I like playing odd builds, this build can tank like anything when I'm solo ...'
It's a freaking TASK FORCE lady! Get your head out of your fundament and use the Dual Builds for a SOLO/PVP version and a TEAM version of your useless defender!
Had I been team leader, she would have been unceremoniously booted.
As it was, I was just along for the ride, and it was a very sloppy death-filled ride, let me tell you. We prevailed, it was 'okay', but it wasn't anything -like- the kind of Blaster Nirvana I thought I was enrolled in. :/
I did ask her if she also had a petless mastermind ...
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