No hablo "FF Defender" ...

Damnit! You mean I'm not going to get to play my Mind Control/Whip Assault Dominator?!?!?

Nope. You'll have to go Petless Demon Summoning/Dark Miasma forthat sort of feeling.

Wouldn't Pain Domination be a better secondary to go along with my petless MM whip mistress?

I like the way you think!

The absence of evidence is not the... well, you know how it goes, right?

I see no reason to believe that whips won't be in another set nor do I see any reason to believe that they will.

Edit: Whatchu talkin' about, lady?

You said the same thing twice...

Sure, but take this specific example: I've done plenty of ITFs where there wasn't even a defender on the team let alone a bubbler.

If you're face planting because someone doesn't have a specific build maybe it's down to how you and the team are playing as a unit, rather than someone not having the right build.

It's the same as this old chestnut: Team runs into room of death gets wiped, all go to hospital, and arrive back at room individually, charge in and die on their own. After repeated applications the scrapper decides they can't do it and the team breaks up.

That kind of thing happens a lot, and it's because people aren't prepared to wait and strategise - if the entire team couldn't take the room together why would anyone think an individual could do it, yet Ive seen it all too often, and I think that's what's happened on this example, or very similar to it.

The OP is trying to pass the general team fail off onto the shoulders of one individual because they are "different"

"You got to dig it to dig it, you dig?"
Thelonious Monk

From what I got out of the original post, it wasn't a question of HAVING the right build. The person in question seemed to have all the powers expected. It's a question of USING the right build, and on this point I too tend to take slight. By all means, build however you like, but if you took the damn powers, then frikkin' use them!

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

The player didn't take the expected powers and now is being lambasted for their decision to be different.

I would agree if you're only using half your powers (unless you're a blaster with no mez protection - in which case you only get to use your tier 1 & 2 powers anyhow ) willfully, then we have a different case, and I wouldn't be so quick to defend [sic] that, but in this case it seems far more like a purge on individuality than anything else.

"You got to dig it to dig it, you dig?"
Thelonious Monk

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

She's actually being lambasted for creating a solo-centric build and thus not being able to support a team she joined.

/edit before people start shrieking about how awesome they do with snowflake builds: Just pointing out that the OP's complaint wasn't the 'RAR DEATH TO INDIVIDUALS HIVEMIND IS SUPREME' bollocks Shocker insists it was.

I'm not the one talking bollocks here

That says it all as far as I'm concerned.

"You got to dig it to dig it, you dig?"
Thelonious Monk

Amen. When things go south, it's pretty much never because of one team member and their power choices. Having said that I would be annoyed to discover that a bubbler I invited had no small bubbles, but no more so than the inevitable discovery that the fire/kin I invited does absolutely nothing to buff his teammates. We'd soldier on and complete whatever task we had, regardless of the build decisions or playstyles of individual team members.

No, A dumb player is one that believes that the build of another player determines the success or failure of a team.

The power of Jackson compels you!

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

So you agree people who team should use team orientated builds. Good, there's hope for you yet.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear!

"You got to dig it to dig it, you dig?"
Thelonious Monk

It is, but to plays devils advocate, come on... when you invite a FF anything to a team, your pretty much expecting to get the hamster balls. It's very odd not too. I also tend to agree with the idea that, if your going to play a funky, out of left field build, like a bubbler without bubbles.. or a petless MM or an invlun tank with only passives.. you have 2 build slots now a days, use one for teaming purproreses and just kind of SO it out. If that's ruines your emersion, then you need to be unfrount with your potentual teammates about your strange build and be ready to face the conconquince of maybe not being picked up for the team.

That being said. I don't kick anyone for my teams ever. Unless of course they are obviouse leaches or use way to much volgerarity.

That is because you are not selfish. It is the core difference between a child who screams "the world must love me no matter what I do" and an adult who understands, "Even in a game, I have a responsibility to fellow people to not make them carry my weight."

Like much of life, it's a gray area, I'd say. You are not at responsibility to make the _optimum_ build for teaming possible when on a team but you are responsible to carry your weight. Scarlet Shocker? Grow up. The world does not rotate around you or any other one person; this game is a society and we all have to make an effort to make room for one another. Selfishness has no place in the reality of this game. Your choice to be "different" is only acceptable to the line where that choice begins to harm others for no other reason then you believe everyone should accept everything you do without question. Deviation within an unharmful normative is being "different", going beyond that is childish.

Even a first year psych student can tell you that one's attitude at play is indicative of their attitude in all of life. Play is how you learn the rules of society. If you choose to stand at odds with those rules, no compromise, no gray area "don't you DARE get mad at me or anyone else for causing you distress, we're just being 'different'!". Then you are a spoiled brat.

You are not claiming equality with your fellow players when you do that and say things like that, you are claiming that all of them together are not worth even as much as one of you.

The problems arise, many times, around the definition of "pulling ones own weight".

I have an Illusion/Force Field Controller whom I usually solo with. So, the only powers from the secondary that I use on a regular basis are Dispersion Bubble and Force Bolt. He solo's 3 +3 bosses just fine. And he's not even optimally built.

When I team using him, I tend to forget about the personal bubbles most of the time. Yet, the team hardly notices. Probably because Chaos, Mayhem, and Pandemonium are running around taking a lot of the aggro from the other squishies. Yes, I named the Phantom Army.

Would I be kicked from some of the previous posters' teams because I wasn't using my bubbles on them? Most likely, I would. Their loss, I say.

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Yes but you also have to consider you play how you want but how you want to play will effect others opinions about wanting to play on a team with you.

Well.. duh. Anyone that doesn't realize this is an idiot.

And if I pissed off a team, I'd leave pretty quickly. I'm not a griefer.