Go to Redside.

Sounds like you actually need to look around blueside more. If it makes you feel better, I'm sure you could pile some garbage around your monitor to give it the "Rogue Isles" look while you're there, if an actual, maintained look is too frightening.

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Not at all, simply a curt, frank response. You say you are just as capable of manipulating the market as the marketeers but don't want to; and yet you blame marketeers for your woes.

If you are being disingenuous and really don't know how to play the market, I'd be more than willing to direct you to the market forums.

Otherwise, your market complaints confuse me.

I can't wait for GR so I can get all 8 of my villains out of that hell-hole. That and being able to make Brutes and Dominators blueside. It will be glorious never seeing Mercy or Cap again. I can't wait.

The main reason why the Hero side is so full of people who absolutly need a Tank, or a Empath, are due to a younger crowd, and absent minded players that came from DDO, Ultima Online, Asheron's Call, EQ, and WoW type games.Where you needed that Tanking person up front, and needed that Healing person follwing that Tank, just to get anywhere.

My gaming experiance has been a bit diffrent compaired to most, on the before mentioned games above.

You can commonly spot a bad player, because they cant use Heroes well at all, and require someone else to help them, and I play blue and red side nearly equally, and what iv noticed, is the types of players in both sides.

In blue, your going to have more people, because they veiw it as theres plenty of help everywhere, and fail to opperate, or even learn the capability of there character, even after it dings 50.

In red, you have a diffrent ball game.You have players that dont commonly have much help, if not any help at all, and theres way less players red side, making the red side player learn the capabilities of there character, because they have to, or they wont survive.

I on the other hand got tired of joining a 8 person PUG, and not only was the leader poor at his job, so was the Tank, and they would commonly blame the healer, or healers for not doing there job, and wipe 2-5 times every mission that we stepped into.

I sat back and watched over a period of time, and something in my head clicked.I started watching the best I could on how the players where acting, and even the builds that came into the teams, and noticed how much they where all the same power sets, over and over again.

They lacked Defense and Debuffs that would effect the enemies they faced, to have ST damage and healing, which is commonly a bad idea, no matter how you slice it.

So, I took a leason from playing red side.

I started Soloing, Alot.....

I also started taking alot of unplayed combonations that you just dont see blue side using at all, and found extreem strengths to use to my advantage while soloing.

I remeber taking my Traps/Rad Defender to level 24 Solo, then after I felt compitent enough with it, I threw it on a team, and the end result was being praised by the entire team, and the no attack having Empathy asked to get another character, because he barly touched his healing aura button.Then to top it off, the Plant/Fire Controller in the team could focus more on his attack runs, which he also made mention of, and praised my Traps, and asked questions about it, because it seemed really cool to him.

This by far, wasnt the only time iv faced this kind of recognition, and it was only because I started to play my Heroes, with more intellegence, and a bigger understanding that they are capable of so much more, then even half the Villian ATs on red side.

Red side has a smaller population, and usually a better crop of players, because they are forced to learn there characters, and fight for every scrap they get.

This right here is my big problem with villains right now... If I play two heroes in a row, one can do normal missions and one can hit Faultline->Striga->Croatoa->RWZ. My two villains, though, are stuck doing the same 3-4 contacts per level range that I've been doing forever.

... and yet I still spend 70% of my time v-side, because it's still better than doing newspaper missions ad infinitum where my team absolutely must have a tank and a kin and a healz0rs to even fight -3 Skulls.

Touche!

Seriously man, that was below the belt

Nope, I blame marketeers for destroying the market redside. There is simply not enough traffic to prevent someone with disposable cash from outright cornering a particular item and completely destroying the market for it.

To go back to my earlier example Circuit boards, one day they're 500-1500 past sales. The next they are 150K with stacks and stacks of bids on them. This is solid in my mind because my son got a recipe drop that he wanted to craft and slot and we needed a circuit board for it. He asked me what happened and why it was like that. I explained about the open market and that someone had cornered it for the strict purpose of making some extra money, and that was why it was a pain for us to get this done.

His response? "So basically they're just jerks?" Trust a 10 year old to cut to the heart of the matter.

Bottom line, it's your $15 and you can play how you want. It's also my $15 and I can continue to consider you a waste of skin for playing in a manner based on taking advantage of others.

For the record, I'm far from a pauper redside. I know I can't hang with the big dogs, but I think I've got 2-300 mil in raw inf with about that much sitting in my base enhance tables and at least a few hundred mil slotted in my brute.

Bottom line, I don't find market pvp fun. It's not difficult, just lame and tedious. Marketeers abusing the exceedingly limited market supply redside has the effect of driving yet more playerbase away from red. I would prefer to play red, I like it better. but I simply will not play in that environment. I want a market where I can grab some basic sets for my toons when they hit 20. You know why? Because it's fun. I want a market where I can find a full set of recipes in the teens to give to my son when he hits his next level and slots out his new shiny attack power. You know why? Because it's fun and it makes his day.

That simply is not a feature you can rely on for redside. You know why? Because we have market pvp e-thugs who think buying lowbie stuff is about "survival of the fittest" and then wonder why vil zones are ghost towns. This obviously isn't the only reason, but it damn sure contributes.

Have fun with that.

Hah, I had totally forgotten these boards even had rep ratings. If you check the OP's recent posts he's pretty much trolling lately about this subject. "You traitors suck, come back to redside" and the like. I didn't rep hit him, but I can see why people did.

Excellent post.

There is intelligence blueside, though it's often obscured by the bad players. You don't notice all the good drivers on the road, but you'll remember that one driver that managed to drive the wrong way on the road.

If you're on a higher population server - you'll find even more bad players simply because there are more people.

You are also right in that redside characters do tend to be a lot more self-sufficient, in part due to how their powersets are paired.

What server are you on? Because I have never seen a circuit board cost that much in the Black Market.

The Rogue Isles are pretty much due east of Florida, with Grandville 50mi off the US coast.

... the market is cross-server (even reaching the EU servers)

Ah, then he's a liar.

Nah, he's just over-exaggerating the time frame. I've seen Circuit Boards go that high on both sides for twenty minutes or so, but the salvage prices always drop back down if you can wait a few minutes.

In point of fact, I still get salvage cheaper in CoV. But recipes (or even expensive completed enhancements)? Good luck!



(Amusing anecdote: I was once watching Scientific Theories in CoH because I really wanted to craft something for an upcoming TF. During a ten minute period, they went from 100,000 to 500,000 in the last 5 listings, then 1,000,000, then 10,000,000. Then, five minutes later, I got one for the bid of 5050 that I put up when they were at 100,000.)

I might have listed about 100 scientific theories on the redside market last week for over 500k.

They might have all sold.

I didn't cause that shortage, but I certainly was happy to sell them to those that really needed them.

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Originally Posted by Ben_Arizona The redside ATs are more self-sufficient. On the other hand, some of us like specializing. Occasionally I think that the AT design (leaving aside the epic ATs) is marginally brilliant for encouraging villain vs. hero behavior. The villain ATs are more generalized and so more self-sufficient, but also benefit less from grouping and intelligent teamwork than the hero ATs; the hero ATs (as a general rule) are better at their specific strengths and will be much more powerful at a high level of teamwork than villain ATs at the same level of teamwork - the villains just don't get all that much better as their teamwork improves.

Unless they're Arachnos Soldiers or Widows...

I think the "better content" he's referring too is actual stories. sure there are fewer, but in the early stages of blueside content, it all just seems like radio missions to me.

"Hey, the hellions stole this thing, could you get it back?"
"Dude, the council are totally recruiting in Steel Canyon, go and defeat some of them."
"Look, I know the Vahzilok in Steel Canyon are level 16, and you're level 10, but I really need you to go defeat some of them. They HAVE to be in Steel Canyon."
"The Clockwork aren't doing anything bad, but I need you to beat up about 10 of them, okay?"
"The Skulls are minding their own business in some warehouse, go and beat them up!"

Sheesh, I absolutely hate early blueside. At least there are coherent stories redside, even if there aren't as many,

Because everyone plays heroes more.

I can't stand Hero Side AT's, or their zones. They're INSANELY difficult to navigate, and time consuming, I spend more time in loading screens sometimes trying to get to a destination then I do actual playing.

Yes, the market sucks on red-side, but this is because of the disparity between the ability to get Merits faster, and or lack of players.

Less players, means less supply, coupled with high demand = Crap Market.

Seeing as I have 2 heroes, and 24 villains. >.> Lessee.

Don't forget their mortal enemies the Circle of Thorns frequenting the same roads.

Oh, if only I had room for this in my sig...