What Grinds My Gears: Questioning Loyalty towards CoH


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So, as I tend to surf the global channels often, I happen upon a discussion about questioning people's loyalty to CoH if they play other NCsoft games. Lately the talk has been about Aion.

Don't think this is turning into a flame-fest, well, at least from me, against Aion. In fact, I've subscribed to it and I'm loving every minute of it.

However, there are the folks that say, "OMG! So and so is playing Aion now! Well, looks like they weren't so loyal to CoH after all!" Or the "Well, looks like so and so is playing Aion... good, glad they're gone."

The funny thing is that people tend to see things no more than 3 feet in front of them. They see playing Aion as a breakaway from CoH. They think that subscribing to Aion hurts CoH. Well, sadly, they are mistaken.

Any business made from subscriptions and sales of Aion actually helps CoH. CoH isn't only getting funding from their own subscriptions. They get funding from NCsoft, who in fact is taking in the money from both products. If Aion does well, it means there is a larger pool of money that can be distributed between the products that NCsoft produces/distributes. Just like the money taken in from CoH is used to fund other NCsoft titles.

Every major company makes a product that competes with itself, well, because no matter what product is bought, the corporation takes in money. Maytag makes more than one washing machine. Blizzard makes more than one MMO. NCsoft is just another company that is making its own competition just so it can continue to produce the products that we love so much.

So, the next time that you see someone bash someone for playing another NCsoft game, you march right up to them and give them a stiff right hook to the jaw! Any money that can go towards the preservation of CoH is clean money in my book!

And that's the way it was. Goodnight, Paragon City.


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*pokes NCSoft again for unified subscriptions again*

I wants both Aion AND CoH on one plan!


 

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Your logic holds if people subscribe to both games. If enough people left CoH for Aion*, however, NCsoft would have no problem in shutting CoH down. It doesn't matter that each game is owned by the same company. Each title must stand on its own. The success of NCsoft's other games did not save Tabula Rasa, Auto Assault or Dungeon Runners.

Now, if people playing CoH also subscribe to Aion, that is indeed a win-win for NCsoft. But I wonder how many people who play MMOs subscribe to more than one at a time? (I honestly do not know.)

* I think this is unlikely, as the games do not have a lot of overlap


 

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Blizzard makes more than one MMO.
Really? Since when? I think they're making another MMO, but currently unless you're counting Diablo or the RTSs it's just WoW.(I think)


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Originally Posted by Creole Ned View Post
Each title must stand on its own.
That's all you had to say


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I think you should be loyal to your friends and family.

And nothing else.


Be well, people of CoH.

 

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I think it would offer a competitive edge if NCSoft allowed access to all of their MMOs, present and future for a premium subscription fee. Something along the lines of 2x the standard monthly fee.


 

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I think you should be loyal to your friends and family.

And nothing else.
Could not have said it better.

Most likely those attitudes are just misdirected and poorly communicated sadness.


 

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Originally Posted by Commander View Post
So, as I tend to surf the global channels often, I happen upon a discussion about questioning people's loyalty to CoH if they play other NCsoft games. Lately the talk has been about Aion.
Someone who "questions loyalty" is looking for a reason to mistrust. When the subject at hand is a leisure activity, mistrust is the sign of a small person with a small ego, looking for a reason to feel superior.


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I think it would offer a competitive edge if NCSoft allowed access to all of their MMOs, present and future for a premium subscription fee. Something along the lines of 2x the standard monthly fee.
The problem with that is Aion is the new shinny, and with sales of Aion making our game look silly, you're not gonna get in the game without buying the box. At best you may get a trial for your sub (I think we should). These companys recoupe their initial investment by doing so (or at least some of it) You might get into GWs ,L1 or L2 going that way though. No company is going to let you bypass that box unless the game sucks. When it's doing as well as Aion is, (At least it is in Asia) forget it. The only thing that could change things is if they really want to break into the U.S. market. I'd think they'd just say screw it and go consoles at that point. Maybe they have already? --------I don't play console.


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Frankly? Stupid argument. *shrug*

I *enjoy* COH. (And I'm enjoying Aion, as well.) In the end, my "loyalty" is not to a game, but to my feeling like I'm getting proper value for my entertainment dollars. COH has done so for years, and has done little to nothing to make me question it.

Eventually, I'll get bored with COH. These things happen. The continual evolution of the game has been putting that off over and over again, among other things. At that time, I'll remain loyal to my entertainment dollars. If I feel like spreading them around - some here, some to Aion, some to wherever else, so be it.

Anyone wants to complain? They have the right to do so once they take over my payments, and pay me more in addition to *not* be elsewhere. But I don't think anyone can afford my price for that.


 

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Frankly? Stupid argument. *shrug*

I *enjoy* COH. (And I'm enjoying Aion, as well.) In the end, my "loyalty" is not to a game, but to my feeling like I'm getting proper value for my entertainment dollars. COH has done so for years, and has done little to nothing to make me question it.

Eventually, I'll get bored with COH. These things happen. The continual evolution of the game has been putting that off over and over again, among other things. At that time, I'll remain loyal to my entertainment dollars. If I feel like spreading them around - some here, some to Aion, some to wherever else, so be it.

Anyone wants to complain? They have the right to do so once they take over my payments, and pay me more in addition to *not* be elsewhere. But I don't think anyone can afford my price for that.
But wouldn't it be nice if you could buy any NC boxed product and use your sub on it? With a bit of a premium


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However, there are the folks that say, "OMG! So and so is playing Aion now! Well, looks like they weren't so loyal to CoH after all!" Or the "Well, looks like so and so is playing Aion... good, glad they're gone."
Well, many people are genuinely and truly stupid.

I'm not married to CoH.
CoH didn't raise me.
CoH doesn't keep a roof over my head.
CoH didn't help me get my job.
CoH didn't rescue me from a burning building.

Seriously, LOYALTY???? TO A GAME????

I need to change my first sentence. Many people are stupid beyond the limit of my imagination.


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Originally Posted by Creole Ned View Post
But I wonder how many people who play MMOs subscribe to more than one at a time? (I honestly do not know.)
MMO wise. just 1 and always 1 (ignoring any overlaps)


 

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Your logic holds if people subscribe to both games. If enough people left CoH for Aion*, however, NCsoft would have no problem in shutting CoH down. It doesn't matter that each game is owned by the same company. Each title must stand on its own. The success of NCsoft's other games did not save Tabula Rasa, Auto Assault or Dungeon Runners.
Bolded the part that's sort of a mugs game logic. Yes, you're point is valid that CoH needs to stand on it's own... but the only supporting game argument is Dungeon Runners.

The problem with Tabula Rasa and Auto Assault is that while they were NCSoft published games... they weren't actually developed by NCSoft... and they weren't actually owned by NCSoft. They actually were in the same position City of Heroes was in back at Cryptic. NCSoft was the publisher and handled the marketing, accounting, servers, and some of the tech-support. The developer, however, owned the game and was responsible for the actual game management, which meant NCSoft's input was largely limited.

One of the problems with unified subscriptions is that they can be used to prop-up otherwise poorly performing games. SOE uses it's unified station package to prop-up Planetside, Star Wars Galaxies, and Pirates of the Burning Sea... all which would have collapsed if they were responsible for providing their own finances.

However, at some point, propping up a title that should just be allowed to die, or taken out back and shot... is just bad business.

Which is where Dungeon Runners is a good example. It was an interesting concept. Taking a old game engine, making it free to play, then micro-transacting lots of convenient items and abilities... that was toppled by several glaring problems. When I went and tried to review it, I couldn't get over the horrible chat mechanism. There was no way to shut it off. Then there was the community management... or lack-there-of. Yes, the game was a hoot for taking itself about as seriously as a Mel Brooks film... but it really catered to an audience that couldn't afford Everquest, Final Fantasy XI, WarHammer, or Warcraft...

When unified subscriptions work though... they work well. Somewhere around the forums I made a suggestion about a 14month split.

Right now 14months of City of Heroes will cost you around $142. I tossed out a $215 price point to subscribe to both City of Heroes and Aion. This was based on dividing $142 by 2 for a cost of about $71, then multiplying that by 3, for a cost of $13. In this way NCSoft gets around $107 for each game... in advance... for 14 months. In total, you, the player, would also save around 50% versus subscribing to each game for the same amount of time on a monthly plan or with a game card.

The advantages to this sort of pricing scheme, only making it available for Long Term Subscribers, means that there is a guaranteed player-base for that length of time. It also means that the game developers get about 7months average cost $15 a month... up front.


 

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I don't think I have yet to encounter 'loyalists'. Maybe I did and just blocked out the noise.

It's already been said before, but it's just a game. In fact, it's a game I'm paying for on a monthly bloody basis. This has nothing to do with loyalty and all to do with me keeping paying them as long as they bring forth enjoyable services.

On that note, I cannot care less if people switch to other NCSoft MMOs or if they're even switch to the 'enemy' Champions Online, it's their bloody money and their own business.

And if CoX and Paragon Studio break apart because I stopped renewing my subscription? Well, I'm afraid that would just show Paragon Studio had a flaky business model all along.

Edit: Apparently some think my post sounds trollish. I do not feel sorry for that in the slightest. If someone gets offended because people pay money for games they're not currently playing, I won't talk around a subject just to avoid hurting their feelings because, honestly, they'll find reason to have their feelings hurt one way or another.

Or if it was about the last sentence, I wasn't actually trying to suggest that Paragon Studio doesn't know how to do business, far from it. Rather, I tried to show that 'loyalists' seem to think that CoX is dying as much as the doom-sayers so 'traitors' are hurting the game. I'd love to see CoX go strong for another five years, but I won't have anyone give anyone else lip about taking their subscription money elsewhere.

Long story short, they can stop telling people what they can do with their money and they need to stop believing that, only because not every player loves the game as much as them, Paragon Studio is suddenly threatened to die alone and forgotten.

Even shorter version: Loyalists are stupid and I'm pretty sure CoX will continue even with some people taking their money elsewhere.


 

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I'll be honest, I thought about going to Aion, but I didn't because:

  1. I really wasn't ready to start a brand new MMO. And I will only pay monthly for one at a time.
  2. I had just bought several used games, and there was no way the wife was gonna let me spend 50 dollars on another a day later
  3. I'm happy here.
  4. I have too many other side projects going on at the moment (Unplayed and unopened console games that I'd really like to get to, DnD campaign, MUGEN, RPG Maker)
  5. I'm of the kind that waits till an MMO has been out for a good while to try it out (I am aware that it has been out longer in Asia)
  6. Did I mention that I'm happy here?


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The use of the word loyalty in the context of a game is giving me a shivering case of cognitive dissonance (or else I am coming down with the flu).


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Ever since you RP death your main toon, you've been on a Tear on the boards with spouting constant whatevers. You bored? Miss Arachnos Commander already?


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I've been "on a Tear" on the boards since WAY before I killed PK. Where have YOU been?