Fodder for the Canon: Ask your lore questions here
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Posted on: 2009-05-29 10:25 in Developers' Corner
I'd like to ask, is there any chance in the future that Lord Recluse and Statesman may re-unite to fight a greater evil that will threaten both Paragon City and the Rogue Isles? (i.e. a Dev-created story-arc, not something we do in the MA)
I believe that a Kheldian Gold Standard should be based on SO's, and for anything above that... there's Platinum!
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Here's a question I've always wanted to ask:
By the 45-50 level range, the Nemesis has obviously gained the ability to spread his mind across multiple bodies, but how does that work? Is it one conscience controlling multiple suits of armour like he had a hundred hands, or is it multiple "people" all existing as copies of the same mind? At one point, the former appears to be the case, where two Fake Nemesis will finish each other's sentences. At another point, the latter seems true, as "Nemesis?" asks "Have we met? Or was this another Nemesis?" suggesting that the one I'm fighting now may not be the same despite sharing the same mind.
How does that work?
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Wow, not a lot of answers this time. So I feel bad adding to the queue, but this one came up in conversation today: what exactly ARE the Lost trying to achieve with the Outbreak drug? Here's what little we know, canonically:
1) Outbreak uses Rikti technology and grants people the illusion that they have super-powers; if it actually does anything other than make their eyes glow green, we have no proof of this in canon.
2) Outbreak is manufactured by the Lost in Port Oakes, Cap au Diable in the Etoile Islands and smuggled into Paragon City via mini-submarine.
3) According to an alternate-timeline Paragon Times where the heroes didn't contain the Outbreak, the Outbreak drug infects the user with an infectious disease that could result in a highly lethal global pandemic.
None of this makes any sense. I could speculate that the unnamed Lost Pariah who's running the program is trying to make an infectious version of Shift, like the one that Typhoid Willy has in a later villain arc? But at the very least, it's a dangling plot thread, isn't it?
Here's a BIG plot hole that has been around for years.
The Minions of Igneous. Where do they come from? As far as I know they are the only villain group in the game that never even gets an IMPLIED origin story. I guess the best theory is that they are the guardians of the Cavern of Transcendence, but the evidence for even that is only that when you run the Cavern of Transcendence trial, the Igneous are in there.
Also, the "Minions" of igneous thing puzzles me. This implies that they are subservient to someone or something called "Igneous". Who or what is this Igneous fellow? Will we ever get to meet him? Or did the name just sound cool?
Is the Nictus that Romulus Fused with in the Fourth Mission of the ITF The Nictus Named the Dirge of Entropy, who eventually became the Nictus Half of Requim?
Since its a sketchy subject,Do Warwolves and Vampires that the Council and the 5th use come from Fragmented Nicti, and if they do are the Minotaurs and Cyclopes also born from Nicti Fragments.
And on a Non Nicti Note, Is there a Prime Universe version of the Battalion who the Rikti fought against?
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Here's a question I've always wanted to ask:
By the 45-50 level range, the Nemesis has obviously gained the ability to spread his mind across multiple bodies, but how does that work? Is it one conscience controlling multiple suits of armour like he had a hundred hands, or is it multiple "people" all existing as copies of the same mind? At one point, the former appears to be the case, where two Fake Nemesis will finish each other's sentences. At another point, the latter seems true, as "Nemesis?" asks "Have we met? Or was this another Nemesis?" suggesting that the one I'm fighting now may not be the same despite sharing the same mind.
How does that work?
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*ponders where in the game we've seen behavior like this from other NPCs*
If you think about it, I'm sure you'll realize the answer without me or someone else posting a spoiler.
1)Is there anything canonical about monkey island or giant DE, or is it just fun to have out there?
2)Is there some distinction storywise between red Nemesis and blue Nemesis mobs?
I'm sure I'll think of more later, now is nacho time....
These may have already been asked... but I just have to stick my own oar in the water.
1> What has happened to the Paragon Times? We used to get this wonderful paper delivered daily. (As in it used to be published on the website as the 'official cannon voice' for the latest strange events in the game.) I miss this paper and can only seem to find a weak two sheet occasionally in the hands of others on the street. And while the Newsboys near many of the tram stations seem to be hawking something, they won't let me buy one. What gives?! (In otherwords, it would be sure nice to see this feature come out again on the website from time to time. Fact is I can't even seem to find the back issues of it on the site any more. As the last one was about Dr Brainstorm's foray into Power Proliferation, maybe he's done something nefarious to prevent it from being found again.)
2> What's up with these Zombie Attacks? I mean, what's the CANNON explanation. I don't necessarily want the developer reasons for it (as it was a 'cool thing' added for last Halloween). What I want is what the scientists and the Midnight Squad and the factions in the Rogue Isles are saying about it. Has any great power or force claimed responsibility for it? (Never mind if they really did so... do they CLAIM it?) Obviously the fact that they drop TECHNOLOGY enhancements is a clue here.
Used to be we would hear Cannon-based speculation on what caused things like #2 in #1, which is why I ask these questions together.
The Paragon City Times was a wonderful tool of the company in providing this sort of resource for the players. It gave us an 'official' jumping off point for what was happening in the seasonal events of the city and how those events changed from year to year. And while it's all fine and good for the answers to these sorts of things to be left to the players, it doesn't feel completely right.
I don't need the TRUTH about things like this. I'd just like some 'official mouthpiece pundit' to at least provide the 'official unofficial in-game reason' for things. Of course, I would ALSO like to have at least one DEV-WRITTEN story arc or mission backing up that side of things, and hinting at it not being the only possible answer... And yes, the MA allows the players a way to write THEIR version of said arcs... but it still feels like a gaping hole in the supplied hype for the seasonal events when they contain the yearly changes.
Enough of my soap box. Thanks for allowing us to ask. I'd love to hear an answer. And if it's been provided somewhere and I just missed it.. someone at least point me to it in a PM with a link. Thanks!
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Manticore, nice to "meet" you again after seeing you at last year's War College for Tabula Rasa! Very nice of Cuppa to take the time to drag you out of your Base Of Operations to come talk to those of us who knew you and your work. 
<ul type="square">[*]More of a "what if?" than a past history question:
The Ouroboros organization seems to be oddly "unconcerned" by (ie. no real focus on) the Banished Pantheon's return and ... conquest, I suppose ... of Dark Astoria. Should we, the players, take this as a sign that the whole (back)story thread revolving around the Banished Pantheon and "recovering" Dark Astoria is less important than we've been led to believe by in-game text?[*]Do you, or Hero 1, have any storylines in the works for The Zig in Brickstown?
The Zig is such an incredibly MASSIVE structure, that so totally dominates the zone ... it seems a crying shame that it's essentially a terrain feature and nothing more.[*]Is there any way to expand more upon the backstory of the Crey's Folly zone? Is Crey Industries (ever?) going to do anything to "reclaim" it(s property)?[/list]
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Manticore, nice to "meet" you again after seeing you at last year's War College for Tabula Rasa! Very nice of Cuppa to take the time to drag you out of your Base Of Operations to come talk to those of us who knew you and your work.
<ul type="square">[*]More of a "what if?" than a past history question:
The Ouroboros organization seems to be oddly "unconcerned" by (ie. no real focus on) the Banished Pantheon's return and ... conquest, I suppose ... of Dark Astoria. Should we, the players, take this as a sign that the whole (back)story thread revolving around the Banished Pantheon and "recovering" Dark Astoria is less important than we've been led to believe by in-game text?[*]Do you, or Hero 1, have any storylines in the works for The Zig in Brickstown?
The Zig is such an incredibly MASSIVE structure, that so totally dominates the zone ... it seems a crying shame that it's essentially a terrain feature and nothing more.[*]Is there any way to expand more upon the backstory of the Crey's Folly zone? Is Crey Industries (ever?) going to do anything to "reclaim" it(s property)?[/list]
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From what I udnerstand, the zone isn't all owned by crey - it's just something they did that made it un-inhabitable.
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Q: What happened to the remaining survivors of the Cole Gang aside from LR and States?
It's of course quite possibly they died of old age, but considering they were point blank essentially at the opening of the box, it would also seem plausible that they recieved some form of spillover power.
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Fact is I can't even seem to find the back issues of it on the site any more.
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The Paragon Times articles disappeared when the redesigned site was launched late last October. In March, Fleeting Whisper and I archived as much of the original Times content on Paragon Wiki as we could find. We're still missing some images, but we managed to recover all of the text from the articles. You can find those archives here.
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If you think about it, I'm sure you'll realize the answer without me or someone else posting a spoiler.
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Since this thread is for the sole purpose of spoilers, please illuminate us. 
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And, QR: Re: the Paragon Times: Arctic Sun left.
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The Minions of Igneous. Where do they come from? As far as I know they are the only villain group in the game that never even gets an IMPLIED origin story. I guess the best theory is that they are the guardians of the Cavern of Transcendence, but the evidence for even that is only that when you run the Cavern of Transcendence trial, the Igneous are in there.
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Again, if I remember correctly, Sam Wincott's journal entries, and other clues/dialogue throughout the string of arcs, infer that they were accidentally pulled through the gateway in the Cavern and want to go home. The fact that they 'guard' it is more a matter of that's where they came out of, so they're sticking close to the gateway until they can find a way back through it.
Ahhh, thank you wiki!
After refreshing my memory, I've also never been able to run across a point where Sam Wincott's translations would come in handy however, so there may be more to be discovered.
Logo= Home
Oog= Destroy
Koago= Leader (also the name of the Monster in the Transcendence Trial)
Mong= Go
Aga= our
Golapo= name of their species
Hm... looking at the order they come in, it could also be implied their home was destroyed and they're somehow refugees...
I'm also curious about that Inglebert Maahs guy who had journal notes in the trial as well. Was he just some guy or did he have ties to the Midnight Club or something?
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I couldn't agree more.
Arachnos forts tend to have names. The small fort in Mercy is Fort Darwin, the big one is Fort Cerberus, the converted old fort on Oakes is Fort Hades. Do the other forts have names? Off the top of my head, there's the big fort in Sharkhead, the entire neighborhood of Double Down, and the tiny airbase fort in Cap.
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Where are the gas stations in Paragon?
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Whoa I can't believe I have never thought about that before...lol
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Then ask yourself this... where are the frigging street lights? Not the traffic lights, mind you, those we've got.
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If you think about it, I'm sure you'll realize the answer without me or someone else posting a spoiler.
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Since this thread is for the sole purpose of spoilers, please illuminate us.
Also, QR: Canon
And, QR: Re: the Paragon Times: Arctic Sun left.
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Ouroboros Menders seem to talk the same way don't they? Also Mender Silos is an anagram of Lord Nemesis. It's very Voldemort.
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Then ask yourself this... where are the frigging street lights? Not the traffic lights, mind you, those we've got.
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Aren't there some over near Dark Astoria in Talos? I thought I remembered seeing them coming on as night fell while I was hunting Banished Spirits.
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Here's a question I've always wanted to ask:
By the 45-50 level range, the Nemesis has obviously gained the ability to spread his mind across multiple bodies, but how does that work? Is it one conscience controlling multiple suits of armour like he had a hundred hands, or is it multiple "people" all existing as copies of the same mind? At one point, the former appears to be the case, where two Fake Nemesis will finish each other's sentences. At another point, the latter seems true, as "Nemesis?" asks "Have we met? Or was this another Nemesis?" suggesting that the one I'm fighting now may not be the same despite sharing the same mind.
How does that work?
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I think it's both. The Fake Nemesis' can either be autonomous robots, or Lord Nemesis can directly involve himself in that one (or two) remotely. When dealing with a Fake Nemesis, you don't know if you're dealing with a robotic automaton acting on it's own, or Lord Nemesis' mind in control of that robotic automaton.
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Here's a question I've always wanted to ask:
By the 45-50 level range, the Nemesis has obviously gained the ability to spread his mind across multiple bodies, but how does that work? Is it one conscience controlling multiple suits of armour like he had a hundred hands, or is it multiple "people" all existing as copies of the same mind? At one point, the former appears to be the case, where two Fake Nemesis will finish each other's sentences. At another point, the latter seems true, as "Nemesis?" asks "Have we met? Or was this another Nemesis?" suggesting that the one I'm fighting now may not be the same despite sharing the same mind.
How does that work?
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I think it's both. The Fake Nemesis' can either be autonomous robots, or Lord Nemesis can directly involve himself in that one (or two) remotely. When dealing with a Fake Nemesis, you don't know if you're dealing with a robotic automaton acting on it's own, or Lord Nemesis' mind in control of that robotic automaton.
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The thing that stands out to me though, is the "Have we met?" line. This makes me think that all the Fakes are connected to one brain... but that brain isn't always in the same time-line. The "Nemesis?" that we face is likely a version of Nemesis from the past who had come forward to the future, being our present, for some reason. I think any disparity between any of the Fakes is likely caused by them either being part of a Nemesis from a different time period or part of a Nemesis from a different dimension, and every dimension's Nemesis is plotting in every other dimension and plotting behind every other Nemesis's back. Or, it's just a Nemesis plot to confuse us and make us wonder about the true nature of the Fakes.
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Paragon City's been in an economic slump since the end of the Rikti war. It's cost the city a lot of money to rebuild and those expenses are eaten by the taxpayers. Every deduction a citizen of Paragon City can take on those taxes counts, even if it doesn't work out to very much in the end. So, naturally, it makes sense that "Penny" would be a popular name for your newborn little deduction.
Just my two cents worth.
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Here's a question I've always wanted to ask:
By the 45-50 level range, the Nemesis has obviously gained the ability to spread his mind across multiple bodies, but how does that work? Is it one conscience controlling multiple suits of armour like he had a hundred hands, or is it multiple "people" all existing as copies of the same mind? At one point, the former appears to be the case, where two Fake Nemesis will finish each other's sentences. At another point, the latter seems true, as "Nemesis?" asks "Have we met? Or was this another Nemesis?" suggesting that the one I'm fighting now may not be the same despite sharing the same mind.
How does that work?
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I think it's both. The Fake Nemesis' can either be autonomous robots, or Lord Nemesis can directly involve himself in that one (or two) remotely. When dealing with a Fake Nemesis, you don't know if you're dealing with a robotic automaton acting on it's own, or Lord Nemesis' mind in control of that robotic automaton.
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The thing that stands out to me though, is the "Have we met?" line. This makes me think that all the Fakes are connected to one brain... but that brain isn't always in the same time-line. The "Nemesis?" that we face is likely a version of Nemesis from the past who had come forward to the future, being our present, for some reason. I think any disparity between any of the Fakes is likely caused by them either being part of a Nemesis from a different time period or part of a Nemesis from a different dimension, and every dimension's Nemesis is plotting in every other dimension and plotting behind every other Nemesis's back. Or, it's just a Nemesis plot to confuse us and make us wonder about the true nature of the Fakes.
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First of all, reading and trying to understand that gave me a nosebleed.
But secondly, has anyone considered the possibility that Nemesis is just plain bat crap nuts? Or has dementia?
And to expand on that just a little bit. Alot of the greatest minds have little quirks about them. It's also been true that some of the most dangerous people in history have not be mentally sound. So it is at least a little possible that Nemesis is crazy?
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First of all, reading and trying to understand that gave me a nosebleed.
But secondly, has anyone considered the possibility that Nemesis is just plain bat crap nuts? Or has dementia?
And to expand on that just a little bit. Alot of the greatest minds have little quirks about them. It's also been true that some of the most dangerous people in history have not be mentally sound. So it is at least a little possible that Nemesis is crazy?
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Crazy leaders of masses of mind-controlled minions seems like a staple of CoH. Maybe it's a prerequisite in the game for evildoers to be at least a little loony.
Another possible solution is that the Nemesi have a network where sometimes events have been broadcast and shared, while other experiences might require a peek into the cached data of another Nemesi (who might be busy and thus inaccessible to the network or might have been destroyed).
Also, I'm sure Nemesis in his various projections must have encountered legions of foes of similar appearance, some of which may have as many as 5 different suits and who make frequent visits to the tailor. "Uh, let's see ... purple tights, wedges sticking out of cowl, no cape, gaseous aura, big fist symbol on chest ... have I seen this one before? Seems familiar."
I'm just amazed that he can always get $name right.
Circle of Thorns question:
If you kill a CoT member, presumably only the body dies and the Oranbegan spirit is once again rendered incorporeal until it can find a new body, correct?
Can the Oranbegan spirits actually be killed off permanently? If you kill a spectral, does it actually die? Or are you just weakening it so it needs to recover its strength before it can manifest again?
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Here are some questions about Pocket D.
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1) Is there actually supposed to be a full blown power suppression field in the D, or is it just a McGuffin to keep the supers in line?
2) Why is Snaptooth so obsessed with destroying DJ Zero's portals?
3) Why, if there's no gambling in the Monkey Fight Club, are there slot machines and blackjack tables on the main floor?
4) If the D is so popular, why don't more well known heroes and villains occasionally grace it's halls? As it stands, War Witch is the only super-regular, other than the players.
5) Who is Trina, and why does she have such poor taste in outfits? (
6) Finally, does DJ Zero ever plan on revamping the club to include other themed areas like a garden café, a beach cabana, and the like?