The Shawarma Initiative *SPOILERS* AVENGERS DISCUSSION *SPOILERS*
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Posted on: 2012-05-04 24:12 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Banner also referenced it himself, in that line about the last time he was in New York, he sort of "broke the Bronx."
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Originally Posted by Lycantropus
I wouldn't think that. The fact that they referenced the Ed Norton movie (that was the video Stark was looking at when he was reviewing the roster) and it's MARVEL's movie (so they'd want to keep it in the lore) I'm betting they'll use The Leader for the next Hulk villain, assuming they make another Hulk movie, of course.
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I dunno if I can post the q-word itself, but it is medieval word referring to the lower area of a woman's anatomy. A very old version of the c-word. Leave it to Joss to slip one past the censors.
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
I think it is when Black Widow went to "interrogate" Loki....but don't remember myself.
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Did he? One Very Naughty word is typically allowed in PG-13 movies these days, Joss may have just descided to spend his allowance on that word. Which is likely a first.
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Originally Posted by Inazuma
I dunno if I can post the q-word itself, but it is medieval word referring to the lower area of a woman's anatomy. A very old version of the c-word. Leave it to Joss to slip one past the censors.
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I don't know if it's so much to "slip one past the censors," though it did fit that role, as to add some... how can I put it... archaic-ness to Loki somewhat like Thor has. |
Originally Posted by Inazuma
I dunno if I can post the q-word itself, but it is medieval word referring to the lower area of a woman's anatomy. A very old version of the c-word. Leave it to Joss to slip one past the censors.
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Besides, how many people (a) heard it correctly and (b) knew what it meant?
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Seeing as how I don't really remember it I'd say: "not me" to both A and B |
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
I don't know if it's so much to "slip one past the censors," though it did fit that role, as to add some... how can I put it... archaic-ness to Loki somewhat like Thor has.
Besides, how many people (a) heard it correctly and (b) knew what it meant? |
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I was mildly shocked at the q-word's appearance. I knew what it meant and the vitriol with which it was delivered made it feel not dis-similar to Hit-girl's taunt using the c-word in Kick-***.
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Spike's "peace sign" during Buffy the Vampire Slayer's opening credits seems to suggest Whedon doesn't mind doing that when only a small percentage of the audience is going to "get" what he's doing.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
I don't know if it's so much to "slip one past the censors," though it did fit that role, as to add some... how can I put it... archaic-ness to Loki somewhat like Thor has.
Besides, how many people (a) heard it correctly and (b) knew what it meant? |
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Agreed. That was the moment where I "bought" the character.|
Originally Posted by RosaQuartz
Wow, that's a pretty cynical way of looking at it. I don't think there was anything sneering about it, or ironic, or anything. It was just Captain America, saying a Captain Americaish thing. I thought it was a good moment and a good line.
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I don't pony up for movies in the theater very often. Wife and I will be going to see this one a second time, though. Maybe try it in 3D, even.
I pity whatever director has to follow Joss in the franchise.
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Originally Posted by Olantern
Yeah, I read the comment as Whedon sneering at Cap, sort of a backhanded way of saying, "Look at what a religious hick this guy is." I don't really approve of treating one's characters that way, but I am not the writer, either.
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I thought it was a line that fit with the character.
They've already established that Thor and Loki and the rest of Asguard are not gods. They're beings from another dimension, who are just more powerful than most humans.
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Originally Posted by EarthWyrm
Agreed. That was the moment where I "bought" the character.
I don't pony up for movies in the theater very often. Wife and I will be going to see this one a second time, though. Maybe try it in 3D, even. I pity whatever director has to follow Joss in the franchise. |
I'll just say that I didn't find 3D to be that great for The Avengers.
Then again I'm not a fan of 3D in general....so take it for what it's worth.
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Well, there IS the whole subplot of Thanos *actually* being in love with Death (as in the entity itself). Talk of "courting death" could probably be enough to setting Thanos to snerking.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
It would be more in keeping with his core character if the smile he cracks at the end when he's told that to continue to throw himself at the humans "is to court death" implies that Earth actually became interesting to him at that moment, specifically because they have the potential to be huge agents of chaos and death under the right conditions.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
I don't know if it's so much to "slip one past the censors," though it did fit that role, as to add some... how can I put it... archaic-ness to Loki somewhat like Thor has.
Besides, how many people (a) heard it correctly and (b) knew what it meant? |
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Was I the only one a little disappointed when Thor yanked Loki out of the quinjet, that he didn't say "Brother, I would have words with thee!"?
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
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Yeah, it was a double entendre.
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Well, there IS the whole subplot of Thanos *actually* being in love with Death (as in the entity itself). Talk of "courting death" could probably be enough to setting Thanos to snerking.
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Thanos is an Eternal (if a mutant member), so Sersi appearing in A2 wouldn't be unlikely.
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Originally Posted by Nericus
Wasp, Mockingbird and She-Hulk should be the easiest to get in. Sersi would mean the Eternals, Crystal the Inhumans....
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Again, even if he was killed, Coulson wasn't Jossed. Jossing if very specific and it's not just a popular character dieing. It's suddenly dieing right after something good happens. Tara in Buffy Jossed but not Anya. Wash in Serenity Jossed, but not Book. The character is there one moment, SNAP, gone.|
Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
I think what we have here is Wheldon subverting his own trope. He knows that he has a reputation for killing off popular characters, so he is only going to pretend this time, knowing that his reputation will make it convincing.
I think it's significant Coulson does not die on screen, we only hear it announced by Fury over the intercom. And he says he is "gone", which could be a euphemism for "dead", but could also be equivocation. And Fury is well established as a ruthless manipulative M-F. |
Coulson lingered, taunted his "killer" and shot him well after the fatal blow was delivered and even hung on long enough to chat up Fury when he arrived minutes later.
Of course all the scenarios chatted up here would make total sense from LMD to life saving surgery. Also kudos to Caemgen on the "Shield has a great medical plan." as his opening line upon his reappearance, brilliant.
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As for Loki's use of a relatively unknown to the US bad word/phrase, except to people who 17th century English literature majors or those with English friends, will only be recognized as simply an insult to most Americans due to it's context in Loki's monologue. A simple Google of "Avengers mewling" (I did know the meaning of mewling) shows up in UK reviews as nothing all that shocking, a common profanity with one site suggesting it's been stripped of any misogynist meaning due to it's common use as a jibe against other men.
I would half expect to see it use in a commercial; "you become a mewling <blank> when you're hungry, have a Snickers".
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Ok, a few thoughts based on the past several pages:
Cap's God line was perfect and even his use of "son..." was great, even if I did cringe slightly. THAT is Cap. Comments about how it could almost be religious persecution, etc, are merely being made after viewing them with todays cynical way-too-PC eyes. It was perfect. I also Coulson's comment about something old-fashioned being needed. I couldn't agree more. As much as I do enjoy the darker tales favoured by many today, I think it is WAY past time we see a good, heroic, decent character that can be looked up to. I am really hoping we will see this in Man of Steel as well. I want a character who can do the right thing simply because it is the right thing. we need some good role models again.
The "Q word" was great. I suspect I was the only one in my showing who knew it.
Loki was great and I loved seeing Hulk smash him, but it seemed ike everybody got to smack him down at least once. It happened perhaps too many times. Also, on the topic of Asgardian invulnerability, even in the comics, Hulk doing that to him should have left him with many broken bones. As I recall, Asgardians have dense flesh and bones, but not true invulnerability, which is why Thor uses Mjolnir to deflect attacks. I remember Thor breaking Loki's arm with a tap from Mjolnir on one occasion.
Phase 2... How would they go to Phase 2 with the Tesseract gone? What would power the weapons? I am not convinced that it really was just advanced weaponry.
In regards to Coulson, I am sure he is alive. When Maria Hill mentions the trading cards to Fury and how they had been in Coulson's locker, not his jacket, that pretty much clinched it for me. Fury would have had to go get them, cover them in blood and then lie about where he got them from. Fury's line of having to give them something to fight for reinforced this a bit more. Add to that the fact that Clark Gregg says Whedon specifically told him Coulson would not die in the film.
Edit: I am stunned to discover that Gregg is married to "Baby" from Dirty Dancing... O.o
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I don't know. Hawkeye never got to smash him down, and falling to Iron Man and Cap seemed to be more in his plan than them really smashing him down.
Widow got to interrogate him. Fury just got to gloat. But really it seemed only Thor and Hulk really got to smash him around.
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I made that comment. It was a joke because someone started shouting statistics. I don't expect Black Widow really is Asatru. |
Originally Posted by Arnabas
Comments about how it could almost be religious persecution, etc, are merely being made after viewing them with todays cynical way-too-PC eyes.
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Hawkeye got to shoot him with an exploding arrow. That as much of a smackdown as Hawkeye could ever hope for.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
I don't know. Hawkeye never got to smash him down, and falling to Iron Man and Cap seemed to be more in his plan than them really smashing him down.
Widow got to interrogate him. Fury just got to gloat. But really it seemed only Thor and Hulk really got to smash him around. |
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One of the reasons for keeping Coulson alive would be to set up conflict for the next A-movie. If his death brought them together, then discovering they where deceived should drive them apart. So A2 will have to find some other way to bring them back together.|
Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Again, even if he was killed, Coulson wasn't Jossed. Jossing if very specific and it's not just a popular character dieing. It's suddenly dieing right after something good happens. Tara in Buffy Jossed but not Anya. Wash in Serenity Jossed, but not Book. The character is there one moment, SNAP, gone.
Coulson lingered, taunted his "killer" and shot him well after the fatal blow was delivered and even hung on long enough to chat up Fury when he arrived minutes later. Of course all the scenarios chatted up here would make total sense from LMD to life saving surgery. Also kudos to Caemgen on the "Shield has a great medical plan." as his opening line upon his reappearance, brilliant. |
The blade appeared to have gone though his left lung. Which could certainly be fixed with surgery.
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Er, what? No. You're off base. If anything, that was one of the most Captain America-ish things he said in the entire movie. It was really more of an homage then anything else.
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Originally Posted by Olantern
Yeah, I read the comment as Whedon sneering at Cap, sort of a backhanded way of saying, "Look at what a religious hick this guy is." I don't really approve of treating one's characters that way, but I am not the writer, either.
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I think it is when Black Widow went to "interrogate" Loki....but don't remember myself.
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