The Shawarma Initiative *SPOILERS* AVENGERS DISCUSSION *SPOILERS*
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Posted on: 2012-05-04 24:12 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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The easiest out of those three is Mar-vell, though they may have to do something about the name (imagine the groans of the audience hearing what they think is the worst in-joke ever...|
Originally Posted by Nericus
Last I heard was that the FF movies are due to be rebooted, if this is the case then the Surfer rights won't be available.
However the Surfer was THANOS' prime foe when he came back in the 90's. For the movies, given that this is Thanos' first incarnation and that Surfer rights will likely be unavailable, then they will go back to Thanos' classic cosmic foes: 1. Drax the Destroyer 2. Adam Warlock (though he may need an origin movie due to the character being....complex) 3. Captain Mar-Vell |
) but he'd introduce the Kree and Skrulls. S.
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No cousins until we get a Hulk movie that actually performs as a movie, I think. |
Originally Posted by Nericus
I'd expect them to bring in the Wasp before Ms. Marvel, also now that HULK's movie popularity is skyrocketing thanks to this, perhaps we will get......SHE-HULK?
Also I sadly expect the villain for the next HULK movie to be the Red Hulk...... |
And Red Hulk won't fly, but the Leader was beautifully set up in Norton's movie. Logical extension of that movie.S.
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What I want to see is a Hulk movie that doesn't entirely revolve around Banner's "condition".|
Originally Posted by SuperOz
No cousins until we get a Hulk movie that actually performs as a movie, I think.
And Red Hulk won't fly, but the Leader was beautifully set up in Norton's movie. Logical extension of that movie.S. |
Less angst, and make sure the Hulk is the solution, not the problem.
And no Red Hulk. The Leader is much better.
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Alexis Denisof was The Other (the dude with the two thumbs and bloody teeth, the one reporting to Thanos).|
Originally Posted by BlackSun17
Holy guacamole!
I had no idea that the actor playing Thanos was Alexis Denisof (Wesley from BTVS and Angel)! |
The guy portraying Thanos was Damion Poitier.
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Well, he's supposed to be in Spider-Man in July.|
Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Again, even if he was killed, Coulson wasn't Jossed. Jossing if very specific and it's not just a popular character dieing. It's suddenly dieing right after something good happens. Tara in Buffy Jossed but not Anya. Wash in Serenity Jossed, but not Book. The character is there one moment, SNAP, gone.
Coulson lingered, taunted his "killer" and shot him well after the fatal blow was delivered and even hung on long enough to chat up Fury when he arrived minutes later. Of course all the scenarios chatted up here would make total sense from LMD to life saving surgery. Also kudos to Caemgen on the "Shield has a great medical plan." as his opening line upon his reappearance, brilliant. |
So two months for a through-and-through sucking chest wound like that?
SHIELD's medical plan would be nice indeed!
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Er.... I don't expect him to be in Spiderman, as Spidey is not in the MMU...
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Well, he's supposed to be in Spider-Man in July.
So two months for a through-and-through sucking chest wound like that? SHIELD's medical plan would be nice indeed! |
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Well Mar-Vell's Kree birth name is Mar-Vell, but when he first appeared on Earth and battled a KRee Sentry robot, the robot said his name and all the bystanders misunderstood the pronunciation of Mar-Vell as Marvel. So they thought his name was Captain Marvel. |
Originally Posted by SuperOz
The easiest out of those three is Mar-vell, though they may have to do something about the name (imagine the groans of the audience hearing what they think is the worst in-joke ever...
) but he'd introduce the Kree and Skrulls. S. |
But Mar-Vell showing up could help bring in the Kree, the Chitauri are the Ultimate Marvel version of the Skrulls so we don't need the classic Skrulls showing up. Drax the Destroyer would help introduce Mentor and the Titans, but Adam Warlock may need a movie of his own first and that could be rather.....tricky.
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Unless Earth's Mightiest Lawyers have assembled to hammer out a contract for all studios, then Coulson shouldn't be in Spidey's next movie and Spidey can't appear in the Marvel Movie Universe. |
Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Well, he's supposed to be in Spider-Man in July.
So two months for a through-and-through sucking chest wound like that? SHIELD's medical plan would be nice indeed! |
Fox retains all FF rights which also include Surfer and Galactus and I've read they want to reboot the FF. Fox also retains the X-men movie rights so they can't show up in the MMU either.
Mutants work better in their own universe anyway, they don't really fit with the greater Marvel universe.
I mean, getingt born with spider powers and getting shunned or getting them from a lab accident and getting famous doesn't really make any sense.
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A GREAT film, although im not sure the bit where Cap 'tipped' Fury a few bucks really had to be there.
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Erm, he didn't "tip" him.|
Originally Posted by Rockshock
A GREAT film, although im not sure the bit where Cap 'tipped' Fury a few bucks really had to be there.
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It was Cap paying off his bet that he made earlier in the film about nothing surprising him anymore. Makes perfect sense for Captain America not to welsh on a bet.
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He didn't tip him. It was a bet. You have to pay more attention during the gym sequence.
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Originally Posted by Rockshock
A GREAT film, although im not sure the bit where Cap 'tipped' Fury a few bucks really had to be there.
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I'm curious where it says the writer doesn't believe it.|
Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
A writer needs to be able to realistically convey the beliefs of the character, even if they do not share them.
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Oh, I know the history of it, but your broad movie-going audience will just take it to be the worst name gag in the history of bad name gags. I don't see Adam Warlock or Drax coming in because then you have to explain their backstories, as well as Thanos's, and that's going to take up way too much screen time that has to accomodate (at the least) six Avengers. |
Originally Posted by Nericus
Well Mar-Vell's Kree birth name is Mar-Vell, but when he first appeared on Earth and battled a KRee Sentry robot, the robot said his name and all the bystanders misunderstood the pronunciation of Mar-Vell as Marvel. So they thought his name was Captain Marvel.
But Mar-Vell showing up could help bring in the Kree, the Chitauri are the Ultimate Marvel version of the Skrulls so we don't need the classic Skrulls showing up. Drax the Destroyer would help introduce Mentor and the Titans, but Adam Warlock may need a movie of his own first and that could be rather.....tricky. |
A single representative of the Kree as an ally helps the audience have an introduction to the broader Marvel universe, whilst keeping Thanos as the focus, as he'll be enough (with the Chitauri) for the team to deal with.
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So true. The audience had a good laugh at that scene.
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Originally Posted by Coin
Erm, he didn't "tip" him.
It was Cap paying off his bet that he made earlier in the film about nothing surprising him anymore. Makes perfect sense for Captain America not to welsh on a bet. |
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Makes total sense. One is going to drive you to extinction, the other is an accident that is usually unrepeatable.|
Originally Posted by DLancer
Mutants work better in their own universe anyway, they don't really fit with the greater Marvel universe.
I mean, getingt born with spider powers and getting shunned or getting them from a lab accident and getting famous doesn't really make any sense. |
That said, it also takes good writing to do it, and remembering they are in fact a shared universe. Sometimes Spidey titles remember this, but usually in the "oh hey X-Men guest stars issue"
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How much would Cap have earned in 1944/5 from public appearances and merch? Mostly he would have donated it, but if he stuck them into Liberty Bonds that are as yet unclaimed and have compound interest...
...could he buy a reasonable chunk of Stark Enterprises with that? Or at least a Cap-Cycle and some gadgets?
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I don't think he would have made anything from public appearances exvept his normal soldier wages.
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Originally Posted by DreamWeaver
Odd thought:
How much would Cap have earned in 1944/5 from public appearances and merch? Mostly he would have donated it, but if he stuck them into Liberty Bonds that are as yet unclaimed and have compound interest... ...could he buy a reasonable chunk of Stark Enterprises with that? Or at least a Cap-Cycle and some gadgets? |
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Nothing. He was enlisted in the U.S. Army and wouldn't have gotten paid anything more than his military wages.
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Originally Posted by DreamWeaver
Odd thought:
How much would Cap have earned in 1944/5 from public appearances and merch? Mostly he would have donated it, but if he stuck them into Liberty Bonds that are as yet unclaimed and have compound interest... ...could he buy a reasonable chunk of Stark Enterprises with that? Or at least a Cap-Cycle and some gadgets? |
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Correct, though as I recall sometime after he was thawed out in the comics, the military crunched the numbers and figured out how much back pay he was owed. It was quite a significant sum as I recall.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Nothing. He was enlisted in the U.S. Army and wouldn't have gotten paid anything more than his military wages.
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You are owed wages for sleeping on the job? |
Originally Posted by Nericus
Correct, though as I recall sometime after he was thawed out in the comics, the military crunched the numbers and figured out how much back pay he was owed. It was quite a significant sum as I recall.
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...and it is. C'mon. "Mar-vell"? Really? Someone got paid for that.
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Originally Posted by SuperOz
Oh, I know the history of it, but your broad movie-going audience will just take it to be the worst name gag in the history of bad name gags.
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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
...and it is. C'mon. "Mar-vell"? Really? Someone got paid for that.
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Sure it's a name gag, just like when in the comics they linked Mar-Vell to Rick Jones was a tribute to Billy Batson/Captain Marvel.
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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
...and it is. C'mon. "Mar-vell"? Really? Someone got paid for that.
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