Discussion: Fallen Thunder
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Posted on: 2012-04-27 10:36 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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Originally Posted by InfamousBrad
Lore detail: is it canonical that there are no remaining organic components inside the real Nemesis' shell? I had assumed all along that there would be that difference between the real Nemesis and the gazillions of duplicates, that the real one still had the original brain inside.
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"The Eternal Nemesis" arc from Maxwell Christopher is largely about Nemesis replacing his aged organic brain with an artificial one. There are suggestions (but no hard proof that I know of) that he makes continual backups of his mind so that if defeated he can just startup with a fresh body. Alternatively he may be able to take direct control of any of his duplicates for sending into dangerous situations (Viridian's arc implies this.)
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If it's really making some sort of ping every 33 feet, that's not random hull poping, it's deliberate. Although it could just be a bell connected to a depth sensor- i.e., *only* the people inside the sub would hear it. LN is something of a traditionalist, after all, and if subs go *ping* in old movies, then by gosh his sub is going to go *ping*!
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Originally Posted by Major Deej
To add perspective (and a good charge to bolster RP) to the operations of submarines and the plausibility of his purported noisy evolutions, I provide a small input as a 20 year veteran submariner to entice you with answers to these pressing concerns:
As for Nemesis' sub's pinging, again, I'm sure its more 'hull popping' as it ascends, and as mentioned, thermal layers can easily mask these noises, making his sub very hard to detect, pending on how much sound silencing practices and materials he uses throughout his sub's design. This concludes our current discussion on any form of submarine operations! All hail Lord Nemesis! |
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Haha. I can imagine all those characters relying on defense. "Wth just happened??"|
Originally Posted by Liquid
Unless they've fixed Nemesis LT stacking Vengeance, I predict that this will be the first invasion event to cause zone wipes.
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Sadly I would be one of them
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If the hull were made of pure or even layered brass, regardless of thickness, it would have imploded like a crushed beer can prior to 400 feet, mostly due to the metal's weak properties and the inability for any form of applicable weld to hold depth to. |
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Actually fairly aware of most of that. Now how do you feel about a *brass* submarine and all of the above, suggested depths and the like?
 And 20 years serving on a sub? Ton of respect for that - supposedly an exceptionally demanding branch of the Navy. Then again, it's suggested that if we ever send people to Mars, they'll look at submariners as they expect the environment and psychological conditions to be very similar. |
Obviously, Lord Nemesis has 'brass plating' atop the standard flexible composite steel construction of his submarine's hull (using lots of brass paint and touch ups for added effect).
Thanks for the compliment on the sub service time! It's a job that is definitely not for everyone, and even those few that do it can be classified as 'abby-normal' in many psychological aspects (you find many 'unique' ways to find ways to pass time and look for distractions when you're on patrol for 6 months at a time...).
When it comes to space travel, we basically wrote the book NASA's been using for its space program...that is, if they still HAD a space program...
Suffice to say the wife enjoys me being 'permanently inport' and retired from service (and I'm enjoying having my two feet on terra firma, breathing unprocessed air)...that is, until I renew my pilot's license...
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Last I checked, that wasn't "fixed." Not sure the devs think its broken either.
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Originally Posted by Liquid
Unless they've fixed Nemesis LT stacking Vengeance, I predict that this will be the first invasion event to cause zone wipes.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Last I checked, that wasn't "fixed." Not sure the devs think its broken either.
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As long as three others don't show up, we're good.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
This is just going to be an invasion? I thought Nemesis was going to steal Statesman's body and create Cyborg Statesman.
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Originally Posted by Dark One
You need to add Batman riding on that raptor's back. Also, the Batman needs to be wearing a top hat, monocle, and mustache whilst firing a bazooka that shoots mini-raptors on bicycles.
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Maybe just half of IP... it would still be like twice the size of any other zone. |
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
My vote would be for either Independence Port, Perez Park, or Nerva.
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The tohit buffs, on the other hand, cut through all defenses. As in they can easily shred Elude when stacked even a little, much less in a crowd.
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
Just use AoEs...Nem's veng doesn't grant +def to AoEs
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My main has been waiting for a long, long time for this. The Tank version comes from a future where Nemesis and Arachnos wiped out the Freedom Phalanx only for Recluse to be betrayed by Nemesis once they had won.
And I created him right after Issue 11 came out.
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Very nice. Though I think Bats should be facing forward, but that's just a minor quibble. This method does remind of Dr. Strangelove though...
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Originally Posted by Blondeshell
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Being a former high school/college band geek (trumpet player)...all I keep hearing is....|
Originally Posted by Megajoule
We're being invaded. Again. This time, instead of aliens, zombies, or eyeballs with teeth, it's the marching band.
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Well, I'll clone a 16-year old Statesman, someone can use Statesman's artifact he got from Daedalus and Imperius to make an Energy Statesman, and we'll get some huge guy to put on a powered suit with a star on it to be Armor Statesman.
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Originally Posted by Frost Warden
As long as three others don't show up, we're good.
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Originally Posted by DarwinPrime
Well, I'll clone a 16-year old Statesman, someone can use Statesman's artifact he got from Daedalus and Imperius to make an Energy Statesman, and we'll get some huge guy to put on a powered suit with a star on it to be Armor Statesman.
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Oh yay... another invasion... *slow golf clap*
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Originally Posted by Megajoule
We're being invaded. Again. This time, instead of aliens, zombies, or eyeballs with teeth, it's the marching band.
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Dark Energon hangs up the phone in his office and calls an emergency meeting with the Freedom Legion Council.
"I have received information that Lord Nemesis is heading for Paragon City." Confused faces looked at each other. "Since the Freedom Phalanx is still in a rebuilding phase, we will be the 1st line of defense."
Nephila speaks up. "I'll assemble the Spider Division. I'll also contact my guys in Arachnos to get ready to help us." Dark Energon nodded approvingly, before directing his attention to Wintersbliss. "WintersBliss, assemble a squad to go out on patrol in Talos, report and handle any signs of Nemesis activity. Bronze Bruiser, select partner and start scanning the rest of the city for Nemesis activity. I'll inform the rest of the Legion to report any suspicious activity to me directly."
Dark Energon stands up, a cold and serious look has replaced his normal outgoing demeanor. "This is serious guys. Whatever Lord Nemesis has planned, if he personally leads this attack, we must bring our A game to the table. The only man who has been able to stop him, is no longer with us." Dark Energon continues with an angry tone: "We must stop this this in it's tracks, before we loose more control of the City. The citizens of Paragon City are counting on us! I know that we can han..."
Before he can finish his sentence, Dark Energon is interrupted by personnel at the command station. "Sir, we have an unidentified vessel in the Atlantic Ocean. A few clicks off the coast of Talos Island." "Put it on the A.E.S." Dark Energon replies. Everyone stares at the screens, looking at the submarine heading to Talos Island.
"Neph, get your guys there ASAP!" Nephila stands up, activating his VEAT distress beacon, alarming all VEATs in the Legion to go to his location. Arachnos-Elite follows him, calling his guys from the Arachnos-Elite Soldiers VG to assemble in Talos Island. Nephila turns around, looking at Arachnos-Elite, a grin on his face. "Welcome back Mac, you made it just in time for the fireworks." Arachnos-Elite smiles back. "Glad to be back, but you know we'd be fighting with you anyways." "We know." Nephila replies.
"Hey Mac." Dark Energon says just before Arachnos-Elite walks out the room, making him turn around. "Go see KinetX before you leave, he made something for you." Arachnos-Elite nods, turns around and walks out the door.
Seconds later a male voice announces over the PA system: "All personnel report to your battle stations, this is not a drill. I repeat. This is not a drill."
Dark Energon looks around the table. "Stay safe out there guys." the Councillors stand up, nod and get going. On their way to fight yet another thread to Paragon City.
Dark Energon picks up the phone. "Jenny, get in contact will our Coalitions, and all the other SG's, brief them about the situation, and get me on the phone with Positron." "Right away Sir." She replies.
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Assuming there are no actual living normal humans on board, there is no reason to maintain the interior pressure at one atmosphere. Crushing could simply be avoided by maintaining the internal pressure equal to the external pressure.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
*sings*
We all live in a brassy submarine, a brassy submarine, a brassy submarine... Though I have to admit, part of me absolutely refuses to stop going: The attack sub's captain wondered if this was a joke. The unknown submersible he'd been tracking might as well have been carrying an off key brass band, as noisy as it was. He didn't worry about losing it - half the fleet could hear it. The other half couldn't solely by reason of being in the Pacific or in drydock. He knew some of the speculation that had gone on. He'd been chosen to follow the contact specifically because of the special nature of some of his crew. Special forces insertions were exceptionally easy when they could just swim out of the specially designed chamber in his sub. "Johnson's back, sir," he heard, barely muttered. "Very good. Johnson, report?" "Just what we thought. It's all brass. How it kept from doing its imitation of a beer can at a frat party at that depth, I can't say." The captain nodded. "Torpedo room, fire 1...." *sings* We all sink in a brassy submarine...  (Yeah, I know, a spoilsport - but really, with all the various underwater detection networks and devices and most subs designed specifically to be exceptionally quiet, something pinging every 33 feet would be like walking into a library screaming and beating a bass drum and cymbals. This would hardly be a surprise! ... and yeah, stuff like that does bug me. I had to stop reading a book - and, basically, an author - after he talked about someone being transported in a private cabin, with attendant and drink cart and extra seats, in an F-106.) |
Alternatively, the same structural integraty force fields could be used that maintain the goldfish bowl helmets and zippers on the retro sifi costumes...
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