Discussion: Fallen Thunder

Would love to see Nemmie's face (well, his exasperated puffs of steam) when his sub surfaces in IP right next to Statesman.

He'd probably just think it was one of his left over Automatons from the Rikti invasion plot.

Ping inside the hull, not a radar ping. Literally, the sub is pinging as it decompresses at each atmo (thats why 33 feet).

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Right on!

And why is http://maps.google.com/maps?q=39.76,...z=8&iwloc=near reachable by monorail from the mainland US?

Yes, I know. (And it's sonar, not radar.) That's still an exceptionally noisy sounding mess.

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Same here. "After downtime" doesn't tell us much. Will it be an all day thing? Will it start at a certain time? When? We like to know in advance so we can be online, and preferably in advance before Tuesday morning.

Lord Nemesis doesn't even consider Recluse a true villain. Why would he worry about anything in Rogue Isles?

His plan is to take over Paragon while the defenders he knows about are all scattered hither and yon putting out distractions. This plan was formed way before Rogue Isles or Arachnos (as run by Recluse) was a factor.

I dunno; if I were a megalomaniacal archvillain, screaming and beating a bass drum and cymbals would be the way I'd want to start an invasion. Of course, since it's Nemesis, the "brass band" comment at the beginning of the post might be more apt.

On that note, I enjoyed the little fiction-bit, though it needs more scenery-chewing and Nemesis referring to himself in the third person. "Lord Nemesis cannot be stopped. Lord Nemesis will come upon you like a brass band banging cymbals and crush you all beneath his brass-shod boots." And so on. We have far too many "believable" villains and not enough Silver Age-style would-be world conquerors, in my opinion.

I've got to say I'm looking forward to this event, but then, Nemesis has always been my favorite high-level villain group. He may be evil, but he has style.

Nemesis Yacht.


Nemesis Bought.


Nemesis Overwrought.


Nemesis Blind Spot.

Nemesis Distraught.


Nemesis Train of Thought.


Nemesis Trot.


Nemesis forgot?


Nemesis Long shot.


Nemesis Plot!


Nemesis Haught.

The invasion will happen red side too.

On the other hand, giant metal robotic boots on metal decks do not make for very subtle travel (see "brass band" above).

On the other hand, this is Nemesis, who woudn't know subtlety if it beat him over the head in a subtle fashion while singing the Subtle Song, soooooo...

Duh, everyone knows they hate redside.

"Unfortunately, his style is *way* out of date, even for high school marching bands."

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To add perspective (and a good charge to bolster RP) to the operations of submarines and the plausibility of his purported noisy evolutions, I provide a small input as a 20 year veteran submariner to entice you with answers to these pressing concerns:

1) First and foremost, even modern day subs operate using steam - yes, even nuclear powered submarines! I won't go into the nuclear physics of how it all happens, but suffice to say, steam does drive old and modern submarines (safely and without any mutagenic or radioactive side-effects)!

2) Pings. yes, as a submarine ascends from its depths, the hull expands, making noise (truthfully, more like 'popping' that 'pinging'), however, hull designs, even as far back as WWII were made well enough to not create excessive noise, thanks to proper welding and sound silencing methods. To couple with that, as a submarine ascends, the surrounding water 'warms' up a bit the closer you get to the surface. Water has different levels of pressure/tempature relationships, that depending on location, conditions and underwater currents, create what we call 'thermal layers'. These thermal layer severely distort or mask noises being made between the layers, ergo, the sub can be masked by a form of 'natural' sound silencing from anyone outside the sub's related depth in a thermal layer.

3) Internal metal noises. Subs have a special type of deck framing for all decks, allowing for expansion and contraction as the sub changes depth, that disallows the popping to reverberate out into the hull and the water. This coupled with other sound silencing materials and design (available for several decades before this date), minimizes (if not severely diminishes) such things as Nemesis' bots clang-clang-clanging along the metal decks being heard out in the water, external to the sub's hull. Diesel powered era subs didn't have this, and dropping a wrench on a deck in these older subs allowed for the noise to resonate through the metal hull and disperse in all directions out into the surrounding waters, allowing others to easily hear them with passive sonar. Again, these 'sound silencing' techniques have been out for many decades.

4) Submarine Sonar. There are a few types of sonar:

Passive Sonar: This sonar is no different that you having super hearing, listening to sounds out in the water, whooshes of surface water, churning of water by a ships's propeller/screw, etc, and then getting a bearing and range on them; the range can also be deciphered into depth.

Fathometer: In conjunction with this, a specialized type of sonar is used for what we call 'bottom bouncing' using a device we call a Fathometer, consisting of a particularly difficult-to-trace, usually low-powered sonar ping that bounces off the bottom of the ocean to relay depth, pinged at irregular intervals. A Fathometer's sonar is VERY difficult to track/trace, even today.

Active Sonar: this is a true noise maker. This is the one where we actively transmit powerful sound waves out into the water to see what waves bounce back and read as bearing and range. Normally, this wouldn't be used until a time of attack, for use with a particular stratagem or for emergencies.

5) Steam exiting the sub: All engineering power plants on a sub are a closed loop system, which means no steam escapes; it all starts as liquid/ water, then heated up to steam, the steam is used to turn the propeller shaft via turbine engines and rotors; the steam looses energy and rapidly cools to water again, where it's pumped back to the start to be used to repeat this same process over and over again.

As for Nemesis' sub's pinging, again, I'm sure its more 'hull popping' as it ascends, and as mentioned, thermal layers can easily mask these noises, making his sub very hard to detect, pending on how much sound silencing practices and materials he uses throughout his sub's design.

For our RPers, tech-heads and devs, I hope this helped answer some of your questions.

...or maybe this whole discussion is unto itself a Nemesis plot to distract you from an aerial invasion...or a mole invasion...or...*BANG*

This concludes our current discussion on any form of submarine operations! All hail Lord Nemesis!

What yacht was the despot's subplot? Nemesis mascot "Garrote" was within earshot. Distraught, the big-shot wrought a plot for naught. The upshot of the handwrought plot by the crackpot was an ascot with an inkblot that was brought to Foxtrot. The robot remains uncaught.

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I'm going to be THAT guy and point out that other isn't possessive in this case so it should be "others".

An invasion number of mobs stacking veng and nemi gas sounds nasty. I do mean nasty.

Actually fairly aware of most of that. Now how do you feel about a *brass* submarine and all of the above, suggested depths and the like?

And 20 years serving on a sub? Ton of respect for that - supposedly an exceptionally demanding branch of the Navy. Then again, it's suggested that if we ever send people to Mars, they'll look at submariners as they expect the environment and psychological conditions to be very similar.

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but why would you get burned out? its not like you have to grind Itrials over and over and over again to get IXP and salvage.
or its not like our Sub money helps pay your salary. or the short time sale items money we spend on PP dont go to pay your salary.