Paragon Market Releases (WHY U NO STAFF?)
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Posted on: 2012-04-03 10:40 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
Now can we get a purchasable Jarate temp power? I'm sure Valve would LOVE to do a cross promotional with CoH!
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Andy Belford
Community Manager
Paragon Studios
I wonder Zwill where you got the idea that we have a perception that Paragon have been focusing too much on melee?
The current perception seems to be that you're overusing the new rig to the point of tedium.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
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It's been expressed in multiple instances. |
Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
I wonder Zwill where you got the idea that we have a perception that Paragon have been focusing too much on melee?
The current perception seems to be that you're overusing the new rig to the point of tedium. |
Also, it is possible that there are multiple perceptions present at the same time.
Andy Belford
Community Manager
Paragon Studios
Yeah screw the 4 leg rig. Give us a no leg rig.
Mini-hamidon vanity pet!
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Originally Posted by Agent White
Yeah screw the 4 leg rig. Give us a no leg rig.
Mini-hamidon vanity pet! |
Until then, expect more and more animals running through their complete animation cycles every 0.0000025 nanoseconds.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
It's been expressed in multiple instances.
Also, it is possible that there are multiple perceptions present at the same time. imageception |
I need more buckets to contain all these tears.
Yeah...the problem is you basically rushed through a frankly broken set in Beast Mastery onto live which COULD have done with the delay that staff is getting in order to be fixed and released the already fully tested Staff fighting in its place with the explanation of
"Beast Mastery was due to be the next powerset but due to the buggy nature of the set, we're releasing Staff Melee in it's place, we know this makes the third melee set we've released in a row but we'd rather have a fully functioning power set than one which both underpreforms and suffers some major bugs at the moment."
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Now I'm just curious about the so much melee powersets.
Aren't the melee ATs the most common ATs compared to MMs? I;m actually curious to how popular MM is as an AT as well.
Have to wait, have to wait. I understand that. Still doesnt make me 
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Your paragraph is something seen many many times from many many companies this should have been no exception.|
Originally Posted by Dr_MechanoEU
Yeah...the problem is you basically rushed through a frankly broken set in Beast Mastery onto live which COULD have done with the delay that staff is getting in order to be fixed and released the already fully tested Staff fighting in its place with the explanation of
"Beast Mastery was due to be the next powerset but due to the buggy nature of the set, we're releasing Staff Melee in it's place, we know this makes the third melee set we've released in a row but we'd rather have a fully functioning power set than one which both underpreforms and suffers some major bugs at the moment." |
As we are all ok at this point with some kind of communication so that is over, moving forward it would be nice to see that form of communication as it is always more well received than teasing and silence.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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The popularity of Masterminds has increased by at least one (me) because of Beast Mastery. So there's THAT...:P
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Now I'm just curious about the so much melee powersets.
Aren't the melee ATs the most common ATs compared to MMs? I;m actually curious to how popular MM is as an AT as well. Have to wait, have to wait. I understand that. Still doesnt make me though |
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Just a helpful mentioning to be ignored...
I'm thinking that last month was nicer on people because a certain witch of war provided a pretty accurate chronological expectation of market releases.
Add that to some people's boiling-over-impatience for the awesomeness that is Staff Fighting and we can see why there has been somewhat of an explosion (albeit, not that large of one at all).
I, personally, understood that Staff Fighting wouldn't be coming out for a while, when we found out BM was coming out first. And I have little problem exhibiting patience.
I have been told that I am not altogether normal, though.
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Hey, don't insult my Pokemon. They can actually fight instead of just gawking.|
Originally Posted by Zwillinger
Personally, I'm also in the camp that has no use for vanity pets. I've never been one for the Pokemon approach to in game pets, but that's my personal preference. Perhaps I'm privileged in the fact that I can see that there is a significant portion of our Community who is excited by vanity pets and show us so. It may not be good for me, but it's good for other people who really enjoy this type of content.
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Originally Posted by Reppu
I can sum up what Darth is saying with a little less rage;
It's extremely poor to release the set that had barely any testing, and hold back the set that was tested since December. On top of that, a Set people have been wanting for years is being held back versus a niche set that was, again most importantly, poorly tested. Top it all off with Paragon Studio's lack of concrete release dates = people are pretty pissed we're getting the 5th and 6th blatant shelling of the four-legged rig niche instead of stuff MORE people want, aka Staff Fighting. |
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Zwil. I'm going to be honest and up front here, and I don't care if someone says that I am "whining" or that I won't go through on this.|
Originally Posted by Zwillinger
Again, we're extremely flattered and grateful for the excitement being shown about Staff Fighting. Take comfort in the fact that your stick waving itch should be scratched Very Soon™.
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If the "Very Soon" is not next Tuesday, you can rest assured that I will not be purchasing Staff Fighting at all. And this may end up impacting at least one other person as we had plans to create a duo, and as all of the releases prior to this one had the power set most ready in beta be the first to be released we fully expected it to have been released by now.
I highly encourage that in the future to provide an expected release time frame. Maybe not so much April 10th, but at a bare minimum expected release order. And if that release order changes, to provide that information up front with a reason for why it was changed. We're all adults (some more reasonable than others), and I personally feel that at least providing information about a release order, even if it ends up having to be changed for an unforeseen reason, would net far less gnashing of teeth compared to what you all (Paragon) have done with the release of Staff Fighting.
As an addendum. I have not purchased Titan Weapons for the sole reason that it was not released for Stalkers. Even with the Tier 9 VIP Fire and Ice Elemental Sword being absolutely fantastic looking for Titan Weapons, until it's released for Stalkers I will not be purchasing this set.
I have not purchased Beast Mastery either. As I feel there are many unresolved issues all stemming from the poor AI coding, and until such a time that the AI issues are resolved, and the inherent balancing of pets is restored to a state that allows MMs to go as well as the other ATs, I will be refraining from purchasing any MM primary power set until such a time.
Note to the general forum masses. Quote me all you like, I'm not actually going to be paying attention to this thread, and will not be responding. These are just my 2 inf worth of thoughts for the devs to consider upon their recent offerings, and their 'tactics' (or lack there of depending on point of view).
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A great suggestion! My only concern would be that the forums are not frequented by the majority of the player base (less than 10%) and as such are not the ideal avenue to convey such information.
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I encourage Paragon Studios to reconsider/review the weekly on the market policy with a focus on never releasing a powerset that ruins the AI of all of the pet sets. Especially after your BETA testers spend their time to help you all out and inform you of the issues that you acknowledged prior to the release of the set, yet you still pushed it through.|
Originally Posted by ketch
Spot on. Beast Mastery, as well as many other changes, were completely rushed. Perhaps, the decision to provide weekly updates to the store needs to be revised and focus shifted from quantity back to quality.
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C'mon man just review that policy please and communicate better. That is really all anyone is asking for man.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
Zwill can we get a straight answer from you, no mysterious memes or platitudes, just a straight yes or no.
Is staff melee coming out next Tuesday?
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
Spoiler alert, maybe? But...
I think the worst part about this is... is that when I was doing Dream Doctor's arc in Dark Astoria, he was using Staff Fighting and I felt absolutely trolled. :\
I suppose I can wait another week or two or something. :\
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Originally Posted by Natsuki
Note to the general forum masses. Quote me all you like, I'm not actually going to be paying attention to this thread, and will not be responding. These are just my 2 inf worth of thoughts for the devs to consider upon their recent offerings, and their 'tactics' (or lack there of depending on point of view).
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I'd like to offer my opinion on something else...
I highly recommend not basing things quite so much on any misconceptions being blurted around about "focusing too much on melee sets" or even "too many four-legged rig things".
Do what you guys do, because it is awesome.
If you start listening to the ridiculous criticisms, you're going to go (*more) insane and you're likely going to start messing up the awesomeness that you can deliver on.
We have qualified forum posters to quell the irrational posts about false claims, trends and mistakes by you guys.
Don't try to please the crazies... they are crazy. They are pleased and they are angry and they are crazy... they will never NOT be pleased, angry and crazy... you will only start making yourselves and reasonable customers angry and crazy if the angry and crazy people start swaying things to their ways!!
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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Originally Posted by Denji
Spoiler alert, maybe? But...
I think the worst part about this is... is that when I was doing Dream Doctor's arc in Dark Astoria, he was using Staff Fighting and I felt absolutely trolled. :\ I suppose I can wait another week or two or something. :\ |
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
I love how everyone thinks I'm trying to cut Zwill's head off. While it would make a nice side dish, I am not trying to attack Zwill. He's a great mod and a funny dude. I just think it could have been phrased a hell of a lot better. It was set up to get our hopes back up after no word of staff from my perspective, but instead it ends up being a reference to an eight year old movie.
By the way you guys are kissing so much butt you can probably tell what the staff has had for breakfast.
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Didn't they get burned by that sort of thing at least once already?|
Originally Posted by Natsuki
I highly encourage that in the future to provide an expected release time frame.
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(Or even release order... remember the SSOCS that... er... never showed up that was supposed to take some sting from ED? Instead, we waited for Inventions.)
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Originally Posted by ShadowMoka
By the way you guys are kissing so much butt you can probably tell what the staff has had for breakfast.
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
(Heads off to watch 36th Chamber of Shaolin again)
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.