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Speculation on an upcoming prehistoric fashion extravaganza!

Amanita

By Amanita,
Posted on: 2012-03-15 08:27 in CoH and CoV General Discussions

 

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Originally Posted by Bad_Influence View Post
Looking forward to the retro sci-fi pack, I will not purchase every part of that but you know.... space, space-travel, other worlds and suchlike is a pretty prevalent theme in comics, so this actually makes sense.
What if the space-people travel to another world filled with nothing but dinosaurs?

 

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I'm still waiting for my Giant Ape body. For that matter, a Primate set might get me to play a Mastermind.
We have three primate mastermind sets.

 

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I think I'd be most interested in bone jewelry.

There's a big gap in costume pieces right now in the form of jewelry. You always see comic characters with stories including jewelry. Everyone who serves the hero wears a certain ring, the side kick that's given a pendant protect them from X, etc. We need a few rings and pendants for each of the origins IMHO and bones/animal parts will do magic very nicely.

If we're assuming cave/jungle people costume pieces already, we might stretch it far enough to see some headhunter gear like back pieces with stacks of skulls on pikes, which would fit any villain just fine.

Also lolnosebones





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Those of you who think this game needs a One Thousand Years BC theme, carry on. I'm out.
lol @ Bad_Influence getting butthurt and spamming the thread after saying this.

You don't turn every comic book page and see a city, or time travel either. You don't even see the base origins in every comic. Your arguments are weak and there's no reason to argue what you're arguing in the first place.

 

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the Beast pack also fits that motif by the way, borne out by the relative few I see using any beast pack part other than the Wolf tail, in the actual game. [I am on a high-population server btw]. Developer time is scarce, I say let's use it for the greatest overall good.
I know it's got *such* a low population, but I see them all the time on Virtue. The beast heads and tails are frequently used, and the fur bits that are exactly like Monstrous Fur except they don't force skin colour on you are fairly common. And I believe the feather burst costume change was part of the pack, which is something else I see used.

The Monstrous Leg options aren't used as frequently, but I'd wager that's due to limitations and problems with Monstrous Leg options in general more than anything else.

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Farewell is like the end
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And there you'll always be
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Demons, angels, sorcery, gods, devils, black magic, white magic, mythology and all metaphysical doings are not in enough comics you say?...?

'K. They're in a helluva lot more comics and storylines than dinosaurs

 

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We have three primate mastermind sets.
You know, I hit post and caught that I'd not clarified, but assumed no one would pay any attention, since I wasn't raging about costumes. So, rather perversely, thank you for noticing!

Also, would zombies still count as primates, or would their pulse-challenged status move them out of the class?

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You know, I hit post and caught that I'd not clarified, but assumed no one would pay any attention, since I wasn't raging about costumes. So, rather perversely, thank you for noticing!

Also, would zombies still count as primates, or would their pulse-challenged status move them out of the class?
I had trouble deciding that, but yes, I think that one of the defining characteristics of mammals (and as all primates are mammals) is that they are warm blooded, have four chambered hearts, and bear live young. I'm not sure how many, if any, of those classifications apply to the undead, but at beast, one out of three.

 

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Some superheroes are already old enough to be classified as dinosaurs.

Incidentally I have a recent issue of Power Girl within arms's reach which has magical dinosaurs in it and it's freakin' AWESOME.only a handful of issues before her run ended. (She'll be back in may! yay! with new costume. less yay. alongside Huntress! Lez yay!)

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Originally Posted by VKhaun View Post
lol @ Bad_Influence getting butthurt and spamming the thread after saying this.

You don't turn every comic book page and see a city, or time travel either. You don't even see the base origins in every comic. Your arguments are weak and there's no reason to argue what you're arguing in the first place.
Deliberate misunderstanding/skewing of concept for the lose.

Also lol @ my saying that a dinosaur pack should rank low on the developer's list of priorities as my being "butthurt." You live in an interesting little world, but it is not one I inhabit. I could in in turn remark that your response to my post obviously means that you are sitting at your computer desk crying your eyes out, but my saying it does not make it so.

See what I did there....? I'm guessing not, but whatevs. Wild spurious claims for the lose as well.

 

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Wild spurious claims for the lose as well.
Then I guess you lose.

 

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Originally Posted by Bad_Influence View Post
Deliberate misunderstanding/skewing of concept for the lose.

Also lol @ my saying that a dinosaur pack should rank low on the developer's list of priorities as my being "butthurt." You live in an interesting little world, but it is not one I inhabit. I could in in turn remark that your response to my post obviously means that you are sitting at your computer desk crying your eyes out, but my saying it does not make it so.

See what I did there....? I'm guessing not, but whatevs. Wild spurious claims for the lose as well.
Take a chill pill, bro, and just step away.

 

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You live in an interesting little world, but it is not one I inhabit.
I'm... not sure a lot of people live in the world you inhabit.

To segue, I put a thing in the suggestions forums a while back about a Lost Island of Dinosaurs. Heavily influenced by the Savage Land from Marvel comics.

It'd also be nice to make a decent Killer Croc-ish character with good lizard parts.

In the room the women come and go
Talking of Michelangelo.

 

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Yeah, definitely. I was totally wrong: every time you turn a page in a comic-book, a dinosaur IS looking back at you.

Or not. My bad.

As far as the Steampunk pack, I had my issues with that as well, including that the Steampunk theme does not feature much in comic titles I am interested in; however it had pieces in it that I found useful, so I kept my mouth shut.

HOWEVER. To even momentarily think that the developers should be creating a "dinosaur" pack before they address many other long-standing costume-related requests, is just.... not to mention people have been requesting a base-upgrade pack for what, SIX YEARS?!! And they *still* don't get one, nor is one in the pipeline to my knowledge.... but we're going to get dinosaurs? *facepalm*



1. I am not angry.

2. A dinosaur pack would take developer time and effort away from stuff that I think is more useful and appropriate, so am I pleased? Not so much. Despite forum wing-flapping, "not pleased" does not equal "in a titanic rage." Sorry.

Re gender equality, no one was a more visually gender-equal guy than Mao, so that's pretty much a non-starter as far as flame-war fodder. Although I do think a Mao-themed costume in the game would be a hoot. But you dinosaur-wanting people are evidently going to get what you want, so rejoice.
oh you know, cuz its not like quivers have been requested and been in game for years.

i dout the dev's actual priority is high-request items. it should have been given to us a long time ago, and every update since. but it's still not for players. i really dont understand why. much more appropriate and useful than a dinosaur pack... but why havent they given it to us, eh? i agree, they should take care of the ancient and still highly requested things.

but they dont and arent in the "soon" timeline.

:'(

i dont get that.

 

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oh you know, cuz its not like quivers have been requested and been in game for years.

i dout the dev's actual priority is high-request items. it should have been given to us a long time ago, and every update since. but it's still not for players. i really dont understand why. much more appropriate and useful than a dinosaur pack... but why havent they given it to us, eh? i agree, they should take care of the ancient and still highly requested things.

but they dont and arent in the "soon" timeline.

:'(

i dont get that.
they have actually answered the quivers/sheaths thing a few times now. they dont currently have the tech to have the sheaths/quivers show changes based on combat state, like arrows missing or swords in or out of sheaths. they dont want to half-implement it, so they havent done it till the tech is available and feasible. they had a similar stance on wings, and the eventual wings we got were pretty good.

 

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they have actually answered the quivers/sheaths thing a few times now. they dont currently have the tech to have the sheaths/quivers show changes based on combat state, like arrows missing or swords in or out of sheaths. they dont want to half-implement it, so they havent done it till the tech is available and feasible. they had a similar stance on wings, and the eventual wings we got were pretty good.
:/ i have mixed feelings about that answer.

that doesnt mean they couldn't have released at least one quiver by now. combat-state changing quiver? weapon sheaths for swords and the like, ok maybe. but quivers? i just want a bunch of arrows on my back.

:shrug: i don't see the difference between wyvern having it and us having it, as the cosmetic thing that it is.

but to me i'd also file this under "no snake bottoms cuz then we'd have to re-do emotes!" but there are plenty of situations [like transforms and in air] where emotes and animations already misfire. and im sure there are ways to work around it. snakes can do some emotes just fine. although i totes understand that it's not an easy thing to port to players...and would be impossible for several meelee sets.

all these things are -ISH things, and only the dev's really know whats coming and when as is worked out on their fancy secret schedule, and all we can do is let them know what we want and what we think during their beta testing [though even then it's pretty much already done Y SO MANY DANG WOLVES?! DARK TOO?] and hope they hear us. and they DO listen, since as the clients, we are paying for it all.

what was i even talking about...? lol

 

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...Now, if you're talking about humans using the process of evolution in our own favor, that's something else entirely...[/img]
/re-derail

Humans, a product of evolution, directing evolution. I've always found that eyebrow-raising. What's the best analogy for it? A computer that learns to re-program itself, with set goals in mind?

In any case, when a process evolves singular elements that can in turn purposefully modify the very process that brought them about, it becomes more difficult to say with certainty the process has no goal. To avoid this, you can always start introducing other elements that are outside the process: Souls, Dawkin's Memes... but those introduce a whole 'nuther can of worms.

 

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i am A-ok with a raquel welch inspired cave-woman costume and a cave-man loincloth that is more like a hide than the barbarian fuzz.
Oh great, now we'll have a bunch of He-Man and Skeletor imitators running around screaming "By the power of Grayskull!" Wonderful! Yuck!

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In any case, when a process evolves singular elements that can in turn purposefully modify the very process that brought them about, it becomes more difficult to say with certainty the process has no goal. To avoid this, you can always start introducing other elements that are outside the process: Souls, Dawkin's Memes... but those introduce a whole 'nuther can of worms.
There's nothing special about that particular natural process with respect to any other. The fact that it was the one that ended up bringing us into existence doesn't mean we can't turn around and use it to our advantage once we understand how it works. People generally don't ascribe the intelligence of a vehicle's driver to the vehicle itself.

 

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Oh great, now we'll have a bunch of He-Man and Skeletor imitators running around screaming "By the power of Grayskull!" Wonderful! Yuck!
no, the barbarian pack took care of that quite well actually.

this would be more like animal hides, maybe with paws, holes, and leathery or scaly, instead of furry, i think... to be cave-person inspired.

 

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that doesnt mean they couldn't have released at least one quiver by now. combat-state changing quiver? weapon sheaths for swords and the like, ok maybe. but quivers? i just want a bunch of arrows on my back.
Yeah, me too. The Quiver having a combat state doesn't make sense. It would make more sense if the quiver reduced the quantity of arrows based on your endurance bar than combat state related.

Not that I need to have that. I just want a couple of quiver types, simple modern, Robin Hood style and maybe magical?

 

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There's nothing special about that particular natural process with respect to any other. The fact that it was the one that ended up bringing us into existence doesn't mean we can't turn around and use it to our advantage once we understand how it works. People generally don't ascribe the intelligence of a vehicle's driver to the vehicle itself.
Not a good analogy. The Process that built the Vehicle is not the same Process that built the Driver, whereas the process that built the Human Species is the exact same Process that built the Human Mind, namely, Evolution.

What happened with human evolution is more akin to saying a vehicle got built with a smart enough on-board computer that an emergent property comes out; it can start making improvements to itself (and other vehicles as well), have goals, etc. Think the theme of Terminator movies...

Taking that analogy further, the original assembly line for making cars can better be equated to Evolution as you're describing. The assembly line itself has no goal; it just churns out cars as its mechanics allow. But if it starts producing Cars that can then turn around and re-use the assembly line to make themselves better, and build their own offshoots of the assembly line to produce machines of their own liking...

The whole thing just starts to get a metaphysical feel, and there's no point in going there, save to say that those who think there could be properties about Evolution that maybe aren't so mindless and goalless aren't necessarily new age Dreamers.

 

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I want a dev to comment on this asap tbh.

Cos imho..unless its a t-rex or dino bird human hyprid thing with lasers then i would love to know how this can fit the theme of a superloser or awesome amazing archvillain game.

..Tho... would also be acceptable as they themselves are dinosaurs

 

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I want a dev to comment on this asap tbh.

Cos imho..unless its a t-rex or dino bird human hyprid thing with lasers then i would love to know how this can fit the theme of a superloser or awesome amazing archvillain game.

..Tho... would also be acceptable as they themselves are dinosaurs
O_O sharks are not dinosaurs. give them lasers, and they are still not dinosaurs... lol

also, dino-mutates and mutants are so much more comicbook than a man with four wolves and two lions. O_o how does that even make sense? :facepalm: oh hey BM is on the market now. yaaaaay City of Canine Overkill.

now put that four legged rig to good use! FLESH OUT MONSTER ISLAND ON PEREGRINE!

 

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While dinosaurs are not in every single comic book, they've been featured enough in the 70 year history of the industry to count as a valid part of comic books. Both DC and Marvel have feature "lost" lands filled with dinosaurs. Marvel has the Savage Lands where any of their characters can visit and have adventures with dinosaurs. DC has Dinosaur Island that was featured for years in "The War That Time Forgot" which is going to reappear in DC's "G.I. Combat" book this May. (Dino Island was also a big part of one of the best comics of the last decade, DC: The New Frontier)

And there are lots of characters that either are dinosaurs or can transform into them. DC has Beast Boy who often transforms into dinos (especially on the Teen Titans cartoon). Marvel has dino-transforming Reptil who is the team leader for Avengers Academy. And Marvel has a couple dinosaurs as characters like Old Lace from the Runaways (seen in the current Avengers Academy story) and Devil Dinosaur (also in that same story). And Robert Kirkman recently started a book at Image called "Super Dinosaur" that has been getting a lot of buzz.

A lot of this dinosaur-related character/events are happening in comics right now. So I think CoH can consider dinosaurs to be under the umbrella of "comic book stuff" they can pull ideas from.

Having said all that, it's totally cool if you don't like this part of comic books. There are some parts of comics that I really don't like (gun-toting, Punisher-like characters). But I don't want to tell Paragon to not use resources on gun stuff just because I don't like it. I know other people like it so I'm happy to wait my turn because I know they'll return to something that does appeal to me.

 

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oh you know,

to repeat and support my original request of feathers in a dino pack:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/no...with-feathers/

Tyrannosaurs [note i didn't say Tyrannosaurus Rex, as none have been found with outside coverings preserved] with Feathers. Facts: big theropods had fuzzzz, and smaller theropods, like raptors, had feathers more similar to modern day birds.



woooot!