Discussion: Featured Items at the Paragon Market - 2/14/12
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Posted on: 2012-02-14 10:50 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
Picked up a 24 pack, nabbed all 11 costume pieces within the first 10. Also got nearly a dozen of the ATIOs in the process, a bunch of reward merits, the catalysts, unslotters, etc. A quick bit of trading with hubby and roommate (who each bought packs of varying amount of their own, I forget what they had), and voila!
So, yeah, $18 to Paragon, and I'm cool. I wish I'd gotten the wolf, but oh, well.
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You should also consider that it is *because* some people spend $115 on the game that you can play it for free. Every time you say that what some people spend a lot of money on you should get some other way, you're reducing the number of people that would have spent $115 on the game and by extension reduced the amount of game the devs can make for you. Its all fungible: the store, and everyone who buys things in it, help support the game you don't have to spend the same amount of money to buy.|
Originally Posted by Wil_B_Profound
Strange, as I can pay $0 a month and play the same game you are.
I'm not going to berate your decision to spend $115 for something that makes you happy. I understand that arguement. I'm glad you have made sound decisions in your career to be gainfully employed to the point where you can support said entertainment in such manner. I cannot. |
The question you should be asking is: what *would* you dangle in front of the people who can afford to spend more than you, to help subsidize the game? Whatever it is, if you can get it without spending a lot of money, so can they. The people spending money on the game might be willing to spend the money, but they are unlikely to simply give their money away.
The alternative to some people spending more and some spending less, is everyone spending less for a lesser game, or everyone spending more for a better game. What would you do if instead of putting things in the game like the Superpacks they just substantially increased the subscription for the game instead and eliminated the free to play option.
That's what I thought. Some would stay, others would be forced to leave because they couldn't afford it. The only way Paragon can provide an option to pay less to play is if they can convince others to pay more. And I don't think donation cards will work as well as the superpacks.
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Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
Anyone who doesn't want their team/dual/dual-team inspirations, I will happily take them!
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For the bolded part honestly if these super packs are just gonna go for subsidizing for super packs or other stuff equally lame then I would rather not have it in the game. If the "type" of game this adds is more paid for features that VIPs get jipped on what's the point? |
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
You should also consider that it is *because* some people spend $115 on the game that you can play it for free. Every time you say that what some people spend a lot of money on you should get some other way, you're reducing the number of people that would have spent $115 on the game and by extension reduced the amount of game the devs can make for you. Its all fungible: the store, and everyone who buys things in it, help support the game you don't have to spend the same amount of money to buy.
The question you should be asking is: what *would* you dangle in front of the people who can afford to spend more than you, to help subsidize the game? Whatever it is, if you can get it without spending a lot of money, so can they. The people spending money on the game might be willing to spend the money, but they are unlikely to simply give their money away. The alternative to some people spending more and some spending less, is everyone spending less for a lesser game, or everyone spending more for a better game. What would you do if instead of putting things in the game like the Superpacks they just substantially increased the subscription for the game instead and eliminated the free to play option. That's what I thought. Some would stay, others would be forced to leave because they couldn't afford it. The only way Paragon can provide an option to pay less to play is if they can convince others to pay more. And I don't think donation cards will work as well as the superpacks. |
I don't feel jipped cause these cost money I feel jipped cause I can't buy something I want. I like supporting paragon studios but I refuse to gamble for bits of data. It just feels wrong to me and I work hard for my money to hard to throw it away on exp boosters and inspirations. Maybe if so much junk wasn't in these packs I wouldn't feel soured on the whole thing
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Someone else beat you to it.|
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
There is - but it doesn't remove the chance for a costume part - it just gives you another one instead.
Like if you already have the gloves, and then you get another costume card that would have been the gloves again, the game won't switch the costume card for another drop type - it'll give you another costume part instead - which means that the more parts you have, the more likely you are to get the missing parts. |
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Apparently, it actually removes the item from the tables completely.
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Well, I can't say I've spend hundreds of dollars on them. Yet. But I don't think its a bad thing to have more money than brains, when you already have my brains.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Though I do reserve to say that people spending hundreds of dollars on these packs have more money than brains.
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Anyone know if there are any unadvertised sales going on like I heard there were last week?
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If the store *only* subsidized more store items, it would be impossible for the devs to continue to offer a free to play option.
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Originally Posted by Lucky666
For the bolded part honestly if these super packs are just gonna go for subsidizing for super packs or other stuff equally lame then I would rather not have it in the game. If the "type" of game this adds is more paid for features that VIPs get jipped on what's the point?
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I'm not 100% certain, but I believe this to be the correct version of what happens. If it happened the way GG describes, I believe the tests I performed on beta would have shown a stronger signal of it. But I think only the devs are in a position to confirm this one absolutely, since I don't really intend to do the specific sort of testing required to prove it (which would involve redoing superpack purchases on beta with a large number of accounts to produce enough trials on the costume parts - which can't be repeated on a single account even with multiple characters for obvious reasons).
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Wrong. If you had the gloves, and the game "rolls" the gloves again, it will re-roll on that rarity until such time as it doesn't pick an account unlock you already have.
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Well, as I predicted it took less than a day for buyers remorse to set in.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=284146
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I'm going to echo that I feel less and less valued for paying money monthly.
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Big differences. I dont mind paying for collectable card games and the like. There is resale potential, and also the fact they are collectable/limited. Electronic stuff like this can be infinite in quailty, and is likely to be released in another format like direct buy or paragon reward.|
Originally Posted by mousedroid
I'm guessing the people who don't like these things also don't like, or never collected trading cards, because that's the closest, most obvious analog I can think of to these superpacks.
As someone who spent too much of his allowance as a kid on Wacky Packages, and Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back trading cards, and too much of his income as an adult on Buffy, and Star Wars Galaxy trading cards, I think these are a fun idea. I'll probably buy a 24 pack on each of my accounts and be done with it. Does anyone know what the actual odds of any given item are? In the first pack I opened, I got 1 common, 3 uncommon and 1 very rare item. |
Trading cards can increase in worth e.g. selling a card from 4 or 5 sets ago to a new collector. You are not able to trade costume piece x or sell it. There is no resell value at all for these - talking real money for the slow, not Inf, and not considering selling the Inf generated or similar dodgy practise.
Trading card games allow you to trade cards, buy singles to complete collections etc. These do not.
There are superfical resemblences to trading cards but any close examination shows they're not trading/collectable purchases. They use random packaging which a lot of trading type cards stuff uses. You are fooling yourself if you think of these as the same as trading cards.
I never brought Magic boosters for the online game, though I did buy plenty for the 'real' game. And those you could trade in for real cards after collecting a set.
I don't think its morally bankrupt to be selling them. I also was really pleased to see a list of weighting and odds presented by paragon, instead of having to rely on the test server drop rates collected by users. I wish they would put the odds for getting a rare/very rare on a pack as well.
I also think if you are -only- interested in the costumes, its not good value.
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I would have bought this with points but I refuse to gamble on it.
The new Elemental Order costume set looks sweet!
But I want to be able to buy it separately.
I'm sorry, Paragonites, but I don't like randomized blind packaging. If I buy blind-box figures, it's almost always through resellers so I know exactly what I'm getting. When I'm in the market for inspirations or enhancements, I am always, ALWAYS looking for specific items. And when I'm in the market for costume sets...I want the whole package at a flat rate.
This is a cute idea, but please don't do it again. Or, if you do, let us buy the specific items we want separately, as well.
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Originally Posted by Optimus_Dex
I would have bought this with points but I refuse to gamble on it.
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Still no word on the noteworthy lack of the ability to get these with Reward Merits? Really?
Between this and the converters, it looks like this stuff wasn't ready to go live at all.
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Originally Posted by Golden_Avariel
Anyone know if there are any unadvertised sales going on like I heard there were last week?
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Paragon Picks > Sales
Enhancement Boosters are on sale for 25% off:
- Booster (x5) - Now 150 Points (originally 200 Points)
- Booster (x30) - Now 675 Points (originally 900 Points)
- Booster (x90) - Now 1350 Points (originally 1800 Points)
Additionally,
Costume Change Tokens are 50% off:
- Costume Change Token - Now 20 Points (originally 40 Points)
Those in-game sales will end on Monday, February 20th at 11:59 PM Pacific.
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Yeah, I won't be buying these either. It's a shame, cause the costume is pretty nice looking.|
Originally Posted by Optimus_Dex
I would have bought this with points but I refuse to gamble on it.
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Like some other people have mentioned, everything outside the costumes is essentially useless to me. I don't super IO outfit my characters or care about the consumables. I don't even claim the ones I have now out of email. I'm not interested in the wolf pet. If they had offered it seperately I'd have jumped on it.
Too bad that'll never happen now. The outrage from people who bought dozens of packs hoping for costume drops would probably crash the forums.
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The packs give reward merits out like candy. Its really unlikely to be able to be brought by merits at any reasonable cost.
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Originally Posted by Rabid_M
Still no word on the noteworthy lack of the ability to get these with Reward Merits? Really?
Between this and the converters, it looks like this stuff wasn't ready to go live at all. |
I don't suffer from altitis, I enjoy every minute of it.
Thank you Devs & Community people for a great game.
So sad to be ending ):
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Okay this dragged a grin outta me.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Well, I can't say I've spend hundreds of dollars on them. Yet. But I don't think its a bad thing to have more money than brains, when you already have my brains.
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I'm not in favor of this particular deal from whomever thought it up. It just rankles me in general. Yes, I'm fully aware that I'm not forced to purchase it - so if we can skip those helpful comments, it would be great. I think it opens the door for more "deals" like this and I'd like to be marked down in the column that disapproves. Thanks...
Well, after a lot of hesitation, spent the $15 and got the 24 pack. Got all the costume pieces and some other stuff I'll bother looking at later to figure out what all they are.
Only thing I really wanted was the wolf. Didn't get it, wasn't holding my breath either.
Anyway, I gave my support to Paragon because I'm a fanboy like that, and that's probably the last penny Paragon will see from me regarding these things; whether they eventually put the wolf on sale by itself or not.
Not being negative, there's nice enough stuff in them I suppose. I just don't care one bit for 'grab-bag' for real money games, and going forward will speak with my wallet in that regard.
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That pretty much sums up my feelings.
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Originally Posted by Zauberi
I'm not in favor of this particular deal from whomever thought it up. It just rankles me in general. Yes, I'm fully aware that I'm not forced to purchase it - so if we can skip those helpful comments, it would be great. I think it opens the door for more "deals" like this and I'd like to be marked down in the column that disapproves. Thanks...
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I couldn't agree more.
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And the costume parts, catalysts, and wolf?
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Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
The ATO's are something you can get now with merits and inf.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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I did pony up for a 24 pack bundle, but only because I had points spare from my initial binge when the market hit live.
I did get all the Costume parts, which is what I was after.
HOWEVER...I do not and will not approve of costumes being locked behind methods such as this. No. Just no.
There needs to be an alternative. If people would happily plunk down 400 points for the set, so LET them. More options is GOOD, less options is BAD.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Until there's either a guarantee of eventually getting the exclusive item one wants under the Super Pack system or an alternative is presented either in game or on the Paragon Market, this is just a game of chance on top of the game we're already playing.