Discussion: Featured Items at the Paragon Market - 2/14/12
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Posted on: 2012-02-14 10:50 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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I have not heard this anywhere. In fact, I have only heard that they have no plans of doing this.
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Originally Posted by IAmTheRad
The elemental order costume pack would eventually be sold standalone on the store. Nobody is forcing you to buy the packs for the costumes.
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I'd guess they'll be rolled over to the market either shortly after the initial rush of pack purchasing dies down to a certain level or more likely it will happen around the time the next pack gets added to the game.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
If they were truly giving us a choice they would commit to offering the costumes and black wolf pet for a straight out purchase. They have said they would look at the possibility, but haven't made a commitment so far.
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That is, of course, assuming that they're successful. If they aren't then who knows, maybe around when the idea's deemed unsuccessful.
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Really bought it just for the costume parts, got a 12 pack, then 5 more singles. From that got all the costume pieces (11 in total), 9 ATOs, 3 Catalysts, over 1000 merits, the Black Wolf Pet, then temps/insps/consumables. When they add them to the Tier 9 Rewards i'm sure each month i'll drop my token for the 5 packs until they release more Tier 9 VIP stuff. While I wouldn't say "This is the worst idea ever", it's deffinetly sketchy in the way they've been mostly silent about the outcry, but I noticed for only spending $15 basically I got everything I wanted and if I didn't get it from those packs, I would of hit my max of $20. But I wouldn't go crazier that than, and with the numbers for unique stuff you'll more than likely get everything in that first $20.
Then again it's all about how willing you are to gamble, cause that's really what it is not kid ourselves. Like any responsible gambling, i'd set a limit. =)
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Another @#%$!@#$@#%$@#$%@# email that I have been left off the list of again. 3 years strong now. AWESOME |
Originally Posted by Gaia
I think someone must be snooping on my browser - was reading this and that is exactly when I got the email with the announcement.
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I've already forgotten about most of you
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The same insult which ignorant people use for anyone who would dare to buy a game which they then have to pay a monthly fee to pay. EG, an MMO.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Though I do reserve to say that people spending hundreds of dollars on these packs have more money than brains. I use the same term for those that get involved with CCG games now.
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I'm guessing people are going to dismiss your judgment of the unfortunately named super packs in the same way MMO players presumably dismiss the judgment of.. others.
Still hate the visit Winscott mission- make it dropable, have it give actual exp or remove it altogether. PS- Down knows who you are.
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A lot of us, including myself, never get the e-mail. They assume we are opted out (which I am not) when we complain about it and nothing gets done about it.
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Originally Posted by VoodooCompany
Another @#%$!@#$@#%$@#$%@# email that I have been left off the list of again. 3 years strong now. AWESOME
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I know it's not much to go on, but I had enough points for 2 packs so I went ahead and bought a couple.
I got the belt, gloves, and canon out of it...and a bunch of crap that I didn't.
Those 2 packs are probably it for me though.
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I assume there is a mechanism in place that prevents you from getting the same costume piece more than once?
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Plenty of us did, plenty of us don't feel like doing it anymore. This may shock you but my preferences actually have changed in the past 10-20 years.|
Originally Posted by mousedroid
I'm guessing the people who don't like these things also don't like, or never collected trading cards, because that's the closest, most obvious analog I can think of to these superpacks.
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That said, I fully support this week's Paragon Market "offerings", since it's yet another thing I have no interest in using my stipend on (and I'm sure not gonna buy points for them).
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Originally Posted by mousedroid
I assume there is a mechanism in place that prevents you from getting the same costume piece more than once?
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Yes. Once you get one piece, it is removed from the table of possibilities.|
Originally Posted by mousedroid
I assume there is a mechanism in place that prevents you from getting the same costume piece more than once?
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Originally Posted by mousedroid
I'm guessing the people who don't like these things also don't like, or never collected trading cards, because that's the closest, most obvious analog I can think of to these superpacks.
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At the end of the day, I am paying money for intangible stuff that depends on multiple parts of a technological system. I have no problem doing that so long as I can afford it, but I have to at least be paying for exactly what I want.
As I said earlier, I am not knocking anyone who wishes to or has already purchased these. I am simply giving my reasoning as to why I will not be doing the same.
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I wouldn't bet on it. |
Originally Posted by mousedroid
I assume there is a mechanism in place that prevents you from getting the same costume piece more than once?
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And in case the people creating this stuff care, I won't be wasting any points or money on it, it's a rip off, and really lowers my opinion of the people behind the game.
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Yes, each item in the paragon market has an 8-digit alphanumeric "product code" that is applied to your account. Each of the costume pieces in this pack has their own product code and you can't get permanent account-wide unlocks multiple times with this system, with a few exceptions like the invention system unlock or character slots.
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Originally Posted by mousedroid
I assume there is a mechanism in place that prevents you from getting the same costume piece more than once?
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On LIVE, it took 10 packs for my first account. 15 packs for my second account. |
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
On beta, it took 13 packs for me to get the costume set: $13. It took to the 32 pack for the black wolf pet. Then again, those numbers are about as meaningful as trying to count sand grains on a beach.
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It cost me less than $1 per pack since I purchased the bundles.
The numbers can be meaningful since perception often becomes reality. When meaningful statistics are backed with case after case of supporting evidence (such as players who actually buy things), a case can be made that the entire costume set can be acquired for less than $15 - plus you get the assorted Reward Merits, Enhancement Boosters, Unslotters, ATOs, etc.
Even your Beta experience is in line with that. One detail that you omitted was that you got more than just a costume set for the 13 packs that you opened in Beta. You also received a number of consumables. While you may not value those items highly, they were part of the transaction.
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I'm not fooling myself: people will buy these packs. Heck, people will plunk down hundreds of dollars on these packs. These people are predisposed to dismissing my opinion of these packs.|
Originally Posted by joshdex
I'm guessing people are going to dismiss your judgment of the unfortunately named super packs in the same way MMO players presumably dismiss the judgment of.. others.
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I know I'm not going to change anyone's opinion of these packs. However, I do have the freedom to make my opinion about these packs known.
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SnowGlobe and Rabid makes good points. I would hope that the offerings become available without the random process.
Random piece of information that may be shading my opinion. I loved buying Magic cards. I knew the moment my girlfriend would become my wife 16 years ago. I just bought a couple backs and got a white knight. She didn't have a clue what it was, but when I explained, she was happy for me. ( and didn't run away.) Still married happily. Happy Valentines day.
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It's kinda too late for that now |
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Honestly I hope no one buys these things
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@Golden Girl
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And every single consumable in those packs was, in my opinion, a waste of my time, effort, and potential money.|
Originally Posted by Mind_Over_Matter
Even your Beta experience is in line with that. One detail that you omitted was that you got more than just a costume set for the 13 packs that you opened in Beta. You also received a number of consumables. While you may not value those items highly, they were part of the transaction.
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I don't need or use the same consumables that are a part of my veteran rewards, so why would I want to pay for them?
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Oddly, the Beta Paragon Rewards section offers the repeatable option of 5 Super Packs for 1 token. I'm not sure when/if this is going to be pushed to LIVE though.
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Originally Posted by Plasma
I have to admit, you guys did a really nice job with the "pack of cards" motif. I'm trying to remember - are you going to make it so we can get packs from the VIP T9 reusables?
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When you think about it, shouldn't you be thanking us for making mistakes? Veridian Dynamics. We're sorry. You're welcome.
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http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...06&postcount=1
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Originally Posted by 2short2care
Is there a list somewhere of all the Elemental Order costume pieces, if so where, and if not, why not?
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It's somewhat hard to effectively discount a dollar without eventually just giving away a ton of things for free.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
1 pack = 80 Points/Pack = $1.00 USD/Pack
12 pack = 70 Points/Pack = $0.88 USD/Pack or $10.50 USD for the bundle. 24 pack = 60 Points/Pack = $0.75 USD/Pack or $18.00 USD for the bundle. Don't strain yourself with the "discounts"... |
Sure, it goes $1->$0.88->$0.75 but that's also 12% and 25% off each in the pack.
I'm still not sure how many I'm going to actually buy, but I do anxiously await their addition to the T9 repeatable rewards section of the reward 'tree'. I have a surfeit of reward tokens and nothing that I really want to spend them on at the moment.
MA Arcs: Yarmouth 1509 and 58812
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Originally Posted by mousedroid
Does anyone know what the actual odds of any given item are? In the first pack I opened, I got 1 common, 3 uncommon and 1 very rare item.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Arcanaville had a breakdown of the 9 or so types of packs
C-C-C-U-R C-C-U-U-R C-C-U-R-V etc. But that thread disappeared with the I21 beta forums. |
Wiki to the rescue.
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Originally Posted by 2short2care
Is there a list somewhere of all the Elemental Order costume pieces, if so where, and if not, why not?
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Wiki to the rescue.
Paragon Wiki: http://www.paragonwiki.com
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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There is - but it doesn't remove the chance for a costume part - it just gives you another one instead.|
Originally Posted by mousedroid
I assume there is a mechanism in place that prevents you from getting the same costume piece more than once?
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Like if you already have the gloves, and then you get another costume card that would have been the gloves again, the game won't switch the costume card for another drop type - it'll give you another costume part instead - which means that the more parts you have, the more likely you are to get the missing parts.
@Golden Girl
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Not spending anything since paragon points are not being properly awarded.
Ignoring anyone is a mistake. You might miss something viral to your cause.
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So what your saying then is if one wants this costume bundle it's gonna cost them roughly 2 to 3 times what a normal costume bundle cost, on a good day. Lordy lordy my eyes are open I see the light HALLELUJAH!|
Originally Posted by Mind_Over_Matter
On LIVE, it took 10 packs for my first account. 15 packs for my second account.
It cost me less than $1 per pack since I purchased the bundles. The numbers can be meaningful since perception often becomes reality. When meaningful statistics are backed with case after case of supporting evidence (such as players who actually buy things), a case can be made that the entire costume set can be acquired for less than $15 - plus you get the assorted Reward Merits, Enhancement Boosters, Unslotters, ATOs, etc. Even your Beta experience is in line with that. One detail that you omitted was that you got more than just a costume set for the 13 packs that you opened in Beta. You also received a number of consumables. While you may not value those items highly, they were part of the transaction. |
Nope sorry still a scam.
I was considering picking up a few packs and trying for the new gun. I love coming up with new looks for my bots mastermind. A friend said he got it but that it was unavailable for the bots mastermind...
Any reason why this new gun isn't available for bots? It looks like it would work just fine?
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