Super Packs on the PMarket 2/14/12

So, just to follow up on this....



I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

You know how earlier in the thread I was convinced that people were confusing the casual and legal definitions of the word "gambling"? And thus making pedantic, semantic arguments? It was because of inferences to fallacious statements as this one.

Just so you know.

Which is pretty much why I said that if it weren't for the costume sets that a lot less people would be complaining about the things.

This only applies if the "gambling" meets the Legal definition of gambling.

Why yes since technically you can't make real money out of this it doesn't legally count as gambling.

Of course the legality of the classification could change with a single court case and several ebay or similar similar sites, auctions as evidence.

"I spent $1 on this and sold that for $5 and that for $2, I'm $6 up!"

Did you know until recently, online RMT and so on weren't really considered trade, until goverments wised up to how much in taxes they wrre missing?

You need to differentiate between the legal definition of gambling and the social definition, as Snow Globe has been hammering on. Socially, sure, the super packs are a mild form of gambling. Legally, they don't count as gambling. They fall in the same category as M:tG cards and those little toy vending machines.

Heh

This is called commerce. You have an item and you sell it.

This is like comparing a BB gun with a hydrogen bomb. If that comparison made you roll your eyes, then congratulations! You know how Mazey feels, now.

And me.

You know I'd bet more people have died due to BB guns than have died to the hydrogen bomb.

Oh I didn't say anything about buying GW2, no interest in that, but I did immediately buy an additional $54 of super packs. As for proof, is my winning smile not sufficient for your liking?

I'd prefer screenshots of transactions from your NCsoft account.

I'd buy that for a dollar!

Don't feel that way. I have a theory that subsequent packs are going to contain more ultra-rare vanity items. That way, everyone who buys super packs will likely end up with something that not too many other people have. I think that's great (hint devs hint ). My only suggestion for the devs is to allow ultra-rare vanity items to be traded for other ultra-rare vanity items of the same degree of odds.

But beyond that, you played the game, just like the rest of us who bought super packs (considering the testing you did on Beta, perhaps fate is smiling on you. ). Personally, anyone who seriously calls me a jerk for using an ultra-rare vanity item won't get a single reply, they'll just be placed on /ignore.

This is one of my inner quirks, ever since I saw a ragequit post the first time. Although I never announced it publicly before now, I've been putting extra dollars into the game almost every ragequit I see. It's the heroic thing to do.

Fixed that for you.

Dude, your principles only lasted 35 minutes! I say this mostly to tease, but partly to show why I think a phrase like "on principle" ought to be reserved for matters of greater significance to begin with.

Subsequent posters have delved into this question more than I wish to (I hate arguing on the Internet). My personal opinion is that this isn't about the costume set's merits. It's about the amount of money on CoH: Freedom's real, actual price tag. You're talking about the trees, I'm talking about the forest. The two big factors here are, (1) They've got to find ways to encourage us to pay the full amount on that price tag, or the consequence is having resources taken away. And, (2) No one but Paragon Studios knows exactly what that price tag says.

If they slapped the full amount of that price tag solely onto the Elemental Costume set, trust me, you couldn't afford it.

You've been at this all day, I see. You'd beat me in a war of attrition, so I'm not going to be arguing back and forth with you. Marketing needs to be many steps ahead of the game, so your second paragraph isn't difficult for me to swallow. But dude, I get how some people feel manipulated. I didn't have to make a post to learn that. I wasn't trying to tell you how to feel about this. I was only telling you what you can expect. Your third paragraph is where I went and hit the quote button. "Under the pretext of..."? You're calling Paragon Studios a bunch of liars as a matter of fact. Where's this inside knowledge of yours coming from, Internet tough guy?

Yeah I did, sorry about that. That post came off far more harsh and condescending than I intended. It was not my intention to be so rude in the post.

Dude, I am not saying you should walk on egg shells, I am just saying call a spade a spade. Those who may have a gambling addiction may be overly drawn by super packs, CCGs, and Hero Clix.

From these forums, Cap'n, the very horses' mouths. The board's search function is your friend, friendo.

And MMOs.

In other words, given that we're here talking about it, it's a little late to be worrying about such things.

I had points left over from buying other stuff (Costume slots, enhancement trays, yada yada) and, judging from the reports of other posters who got the 24 bundle stuff, of close to, I figured it was worth the risk. I was right.

That still doesn't detract from the point that I'm not buying anymore. That's it. That's the one off shot they had. So good luck to 'em.

And that last part is just BS, pure and simple. There are many ways to make money that are simple and transparent. Like, I dunno, putting costume parts in bundles with a fixed price that players have SAID they are willing to pay, rather than forcing them to take a chance?


My principles also factor in risks and evidence. So fething sue me.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

You shouldn't say that until you see what the costume set for series 2 is going to be like

they did have a card game, so it's not too shocking

We'll return to this conversation later.

I wondered if "Couldn't afford it" was the right language to use ("...Might flip out over the price" may have been more appropriate). Remember, CoH: Freedom quadrupled our rate of new shiny stuff.

This had me on the floor LMAO!

Which they. All those others bundles. This is an item they tied to something else. Which is perfectly acceptable.

Now if they tied every costume bundle to super packs, I could see a problem. They haven't though. And tieing a costume set to super packs while still offering other sets is really not a problem.

Their goal is to make money. To make money they know they'll have to offer the regular bundles. They also know they can make a bit more with the super packs, but they need to give an incentive for it.

My guess right now, is expect more ATO's and costume set to come from future super packs.