Discussion: A Death Revealed....
I'm curious. With the reasoning behind Statesman dying being that our character gets to take his place, does that mean we'll be all butt kcikery no matter what character we're on?
Seriously, the one who takes the big heroes place is...THE BLASTER WHO FACEPLANTS EVERY SPAWN!
I like the idea of (and in my head that's how it is) player characters being this big replacement for Statesman, but does this mean they'll act like it too?
Being able to handle AV level threats single handedly and not downgrade to EB for instance, is what Statesman does. He's that big hero.
And was the reasoning really "Let's have the players take up his role" or was it "Get rid of all remenants of Jack"
It feels like it's the later, since I doubt we'll be seeing much of content spent on soloing like a big hero does. Outside of just letting the player think it because some story arc said so.
Not saying there shouldn't be content centered around big team ups even with powerhouses like Statesman in the picture, but I'm curious as to how this is going to make one feel like they're taking Statesman place.
Also, will we see complaints that this storyline doesn't fit with the streetlevel hero concepts?
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We might consider that maybe States meets his fate simply to return later in the arc with a new costume.
Ms. Liberty is an obvious one to take over Statesman's place in the Freedom Phalanx - and maybe hand over the Vindicator leadership to someone else.
I think Desdemona is too busy with the Carbnival of Light right now - although whoever does replace Staetsman should be female to make the Freedom Phalanx more balanced. |
If anyone replaces Statesman on the Freedom Phalanx, it should be purely because it makes sense. And would it make sense for Ms Liberty to be the one to replace him?
Well she's his granddaughter and his sidekick. Maybe. But then, isn't she a bit more willing to get her hands dirty unlike every member of the FP except for Manticore?
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And just for good measure..
Outside of the game..
Matt Miller = Positron = Big boss in charge right now. Jack Emmert = Statesman = Was the big boss. Buying COH Rights from Emmert? Costly. Advancing with a new Studio Name? Painstaking. Anticipation for Who Will Die Arc after going F2P at last? Agonizing. Settling an old dispute after the statue of limitations were up? Priceless. So what does that mean? Statesman is going to die as a way for Matt to feel better about himself tbh. He's letting go of the old and bringing in the new '' the right way. '' Giving Statesman a honorable death will make Jack not be so pissy, Matt can fully wash his hands of Statesman in a couple of years later, and then finally move onto World Of Heroes as the next great expansion. It's elementary dear qmoar. |
I need more brain food, this was far too easy a mystery to unravel.
When you can win a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer as your quarterback... yeah. That's a good defense.
Also, States is dead, yeah yeah... this thread is now about football. |
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How about those Redskins?! The game was much closer than I ever expected....it's a "win/win" for us...
win # 1: Redskins don't move up (down?) in the draft order
win # 2: Patriots aren't going anywhere with that Defense....if the Redskins move the ball against you...there's an issue...
Sorry I should say, if Rex Grossman moves up and down the field on you....you have issues.
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Anyone else get the feeling that once we defeat Cole he will just end up on our side filling in the gap left by States? I mean are we really going to kill Cole? or is he more likely to sacrifice himself heroically making up for his past sins, either against Hami or the Armada?
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How about those Redskins?! The game was much closer than I ever expected....it's a "win/win" for us... win # 1: Redskins don't move up (down?) in the draft order win # 2: Patriots aren't going anywhere with that Defense....if the Redskins move the ball against you...there's an issue... Sorry I should say, if Rex Grossman moves up and down the field on you....you have issues. |
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My question isn't recluse linked to statesman does that means recuse dies as well? Also isn't statesman immortal?
My question isn't recluse linked to statesman does that means recuse dies as well? Also isn't statesman immortal?
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Also I dont think they are LINKED as in lifelinked.
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Don't sell your characters short, we've always been the main hero. Statesman is just a contact and occasional hostage.
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I just don't tend to play Blasters either
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Yeah because he isn't gonna be broke back in the last part, I called this at the beginning of the arc. This is CoXs version of The Death of Superman.
My question isn't recluse linked to statesman does that means recuse dies as well? Also isn't statesman immortal?
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[SPOILERS]The Wells are actually living beings that can be enslaved or killed. Ours is a "he". And every different alien race has it's own "well". So, if the source of Statesman's power can be killed, it stands to reason he can, too.
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The original would very likely be moved to Ourobors, like the old Positron TF and Maria Jenkins arc.
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I REALLY wish they'd merge ouroboros if they do this so I can still do those tfs too.
To those saying the title was enough warning:
I opened the thread after seeing the title. I expected a fluff piece reminding us that there was a reveal coming, possibly an interview with a writer about the importance of a reveal or the difficulty of writing a mystery in the massively-multiplayer genre. I did not expect, "Yeah, States is gonna bite it, but it's okay 'cause you'll be totally sad."
There was a thread that blew up over the weekend. A lot of consternation was expressed because there was a spoiler in the title. Given the general attitude there that it was better to be cautious about such things, I thought marketing would read the community more accurately.
Added to that is marketing's predilection for cheeky obfuscation.
Obviously, I made the wrong choice in clicking the thread, but I don't think it was an entirely illogical one.
In 6, Recluse takes over Paragon City and romps around for a bit before he gets bored and starts secretly training Ms. Liberty as a replacement.
In 7, Libbie flips out and starts killing people and Recluse has to stop her from destroying the city. In trying to help, he finds out that States really faked his death just to get some peace and quiet. Eventually after a fight destroying large chunks of the city he stop Libbie and is celebrated as a hero.
oh, wait... that sounds familiar...
it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Well she's his granddaughter and his sidekick. Maybe. But then, isn't she a bit more willing to get her hands dirty unlike every member of the FP except for Manticore?
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Wow, that's pretty stupid.
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(For the record, I never would have clicked on the thread if I had thought there was something so explicit after all the hinting and vague-ary to this point...)
The feeling is that impact of States dying is not in the reveal that he's dying but in the fact that he's dying. How does he die? What does it mean for the Freedom Phalanx and, perhaps more importantly, what does it mean for the future safety and well being of Paragon City.
There's a lot more questions to be answered and story to be explored, even after his death. And trust me, his death scene is pretty stirring. |
So, I'm guessing that Recluse is going to be spending a lot of time in his tower, alone, moping and/or eating Hagen Daz.
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Possibly immortal I think, like SUPER SUPER long life? Remember hes not a god though, Immortals live a long time OR forever BUT they can be killed.
Also I dont think they are LINKED as in lifelinked. |
A better word would have been 'unaging'.
But the literal meaning of immortal has been.... decimated!
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Ms. Liberty is an obvious one to take over Statesman's place in the Freedom Phalanx - and maybe hand over the Vindicator leadership to someone else.
I think Desdemona is too busy with the Carbnival of Light right now - although whoever does replace Staetsman should be female to make the Freedom Phalanx more balanced.
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