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Discussion: Featured Items at the Paragon Market - 11/15/11

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By Abraxxus,
Posted on: 2011-11-15 11:36 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion

 

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This thread: am I the ONLY person happy to see something brand-new in the game yesterday? I mean -- a four-legged rig! $6.25 for a dog companion, but more importantly, now that the rig is in the game -- think of all the things that can be done with the new rig!
I'll be impressed when they use the technology to do something impressive. The fact that they got something to work that hundreds of other games have also gotten to work does not impress me. I don't get preemptively impressed.

 

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The dog is too expensive. Most of what's on the market is too expensive. I just deleted and re-rolled (same AT, etc.) a level 32 character because it wasn't worth $10 to rename her. Yes, I have enough stipend points saved up to pay for a rename but that's the same as spending the money, as those points then wouldn't be available for something else.
That's what 2 months of transfers are for. And amazingly enough you get to keep your SG prestige count after you transfer back.

 

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So why? It's not like the pets are unbalancing; they de-spawn on zone, aren't targetable, and don't have powers. I realize that the buff pets are an exception to this, but they seem to draw aggro better than tanks (or even blasters!), and have 5 hit points.
Presumably, the same reason MMs are a paid AT. Pets eat processing power. So, if you plan on introducing lots of vanity pets, you have to be careful that no one runs around with all of them out at the same time.

 

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Man, some people are so bitter...

This thread: am I the ONLY person happy to see something brand-new in the game yesterday? I mean -- a four-legged rig! $6.25 for a dog companion, but more importantly, now that the rig is in the game -- think of all the things that can be done with the new rig!

Charity is all the "free riders" I support each month with my 7-year subscription. Business is hoping some of them (in addition to you and me) eventually buy something to support the game as well!
I'm not bitter and have no problem with others buying the dog. I play with the GS on Beta which is more than enough to satisfy my curiosity about it (and other stuff) without spending an extra dime of my limited retirement income.

On live, I buy only those things I've already tested and for sure know I want for character concept development and improvement. No PP's are wasted on things I may grow tired of too soon or regret buying. That thinking has lead to a steadily growing surplus from the monthly stipends.

 

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Originally Posted by Darkscar View Post
I might never have actually used the pet (yeah, i'm looking at you MVAS, Rikti Mokey, Mekman, etc) but I would have likely bought it to support the concept.

But 500 pts for a single breed that does nothing other than bounce around behind you. Nah, cheers, already got several of those for 'free' that I don't use.

Still nice looking though.
This sums it up for me nicely.


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Personally, I thought the costume slot was a good deal when it was on sale. I was happy to buy that and don't regret it a bit. I might have bought it for the full price eventually, but that seemed just a little bit too steep. I only bought one slot and have no intention of buying more. Having two costume slots at level 1 without fussing about Halloween salvage is totally worth 600 points for me. Probably worth 750 points. It wasn't quite worth 800 points, which is why I waited for the sale. Having yet another costume slot is hardly worth anything at all to me, so I'm unlikely to ever buy another.

I'd like to get the enhancement tray someday, but it does seem way too expensive to me at 1600 points.

I'm really glad I unlocked the auras. I would have been happy to pay a lot more for that. By the time my characters are high enough level to unlock the auras in game, I'm usually pretty happy with how they look, so I seldom used auras before. If I feel like a character really needs an aura to look right, then I probably won't ever roll that character at all, because I can't stand to go 30 levels with a character that looks wrong. That's no longer a concern. So, yeah, I would have happily paid double for that unlock.

Same goes for the cape, but less so. Still, I was happy to pay 160 and would have paid more without complaining.

I bought the beam weapon set and haven't used it at all, so that was a bit silly of me. I don't begrudge the points, though. I just wish I had more free time to play more alts. I learned from that mistake and haven't bought Street Justice, and probably won't buy Titan Weapons. Not until I have the time to devote to a new alt.

I'm very excited to see the dog in the game. I think it opens up the potential to do lots of cool things in the future. I'm not going to buy it, though. It's too expensive for me. Also, I'm pretty miffed that we can only have one useless pet out at a time now. Not that I bother to use my useless pets very often, but I liked to be able to. And we can't even walk the dog? And it behaves in a ridiculously unrealistic way during combat? Nah. Love the idea, love everything they did with it, but there is still more that should be done, and I don't love the price. I hope some of my friends buy it, though, so I can see it walking around when we play together.

Rocket board? I really like it. It's totally cool. I didn't buy it, though. Rocket boards don't generally fit my characters, especially if I can't choose the color. Even so, I would have bought it for a lower price. It's on my wishlist, waiting for a sale.

I bought the Halloween stuff, mostly on impulse. Not a great use of points, really, but I don't regret it. I'll probably get some good use out of that stuff before next Halloween, so I don't mind having bought it. I love the jar head, especially.

I bought the whole barbarian set when I made a barbarian character. It's ok. And the price was ok, I guess. But only because I was making a suitable character right then anyhow. And I do like having the baggy little shorts. Very He-Man.

Other than that, I don't think I've bought anything, and there is nothing else which has really tempted me that I can remember right now. And I'm ok with that.

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While I agree with everyone here that for a vanity pet the pricing is a bit too steep I will probably get it to support the development of the 4 legged rig as well. This kind of evolution in the game can lead to many suggested and anticipated powersets. Beast Summoning and Shapeshifting come to mind. We will just have to wait and see.

Did have my hopes up that I could start my Titan Weapon or perhaps Quarter Staff toon this week but *le sigh* nope. Well there is always next week! or the week after....or the week after that.....well you get the point =D

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While I agree with everyone here that for a vanity pet the pricing is a bit too steep I will probably get it to support the development of the 4 legged rig as well.
Supporting a hobby you enjoy is admirable, but not sure doing that would result in exactly what you hope. Every idea they come up with now, they will ask the question "would people pay extra for this?" If things like a beast mm powerset comes up with a yes, then probably expect to see that in the store for VIPs to purchase extra.

Seems like a more direct effect of buying vanity pets in hopes of something else, would actually end up with more vanity pets instead. Or at least the price for it would not be lowered when they see they made enough money to justify it at the current price.

 

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While I agree with everyone here that for a vanity pet the pricing is a bit too steep I will probably get it to support the development of the 4 legged rig as well. This kind of evolution in the game can lead to many suggested and anticipated powersets. Beast Summoning and Shapeshifting come to mind. We will just have to wait and see.
I'm not interesting in paying them for the work they did, I'm interested in paying for the product that was created. If "Beast Summoning" is ever produced, then I'll compensate them for the four-legged skeleton at that time, provided that it is, at the time, worth the price.

 

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A dog? You paid programmers money to come up with a dog? That does nothing but scratch itself?

If this is the direction you guys are going with this game, consider me finding another game.

We want powers that do incredible amounts of damage to multiple foes with short activation and animation times and quick recharges.

Nobody wants a dog that does nothing. It could at least bark when ambushes are coming. Or bite the leg of an NPC when I'm stunned. Something.

And 500 points? Whose crack habit are you guys trying to get us to support?

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How about this scenario, the cost of the dog drops low enough that practially everyone buys it. Now imagine dogs...everywhere, by the hundreds! It will be City of Dogs! Ahhhhhh!

A 500 points they are more rare. I love the dog, but just here and there.

 

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Could we please get a shark to jump over. It's been a long time coming.
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If you think the micro-transaction is really all that great, read this and think about it.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...w-Up-Kills-MMO
Most MMOs with microtransactions don't so completely lose their minds that they forget to make backups of their game systems. Conversely, game developers not distracted by supporting microtransactions seem to make the same mistake: the linked article mentions another game where a similar lack of backups (and other dumb errors) set the game back substantially.

Curiously, that game sounded oddly familiar.

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How about this scenario, the cost of the dog drops low enough that practially everyone buys it. Now imagine dogs...everywhere, by the hundreds! It will be City of Dogs! Ahhhhhh!
That scenario does happen with a lot of things not just temp pets. When they introduced vet rewards with the wings, i saw crowds of people flocked to steel canyon tailor (i was one of them) and yes when that phenomena occurs whatever the content/item, there are cries of "enough already"

But what always happens shortly afterwards is that people once again disperse and/or the content/item gets used less.

If they gave the dog as a free issue item, yes there could possibly be a very huge dog show convention in atlas park, but it will pass shortly.

The effects of supporting such development however, is more lasting.

 

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Ok... Barbarian Set ROCKED... Circle of Thorns wasn't bad...

Undead survival Kit was beyond lame and for 500 points a German Sheppard... really? really?
MORE costume sets like Barbarian set O_o

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Halloween bundle is back and I was able to purchase it, thank you.

Dog is too expensive and I will not be purchasing it, thank you.

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It's good that you "appreciate" it, because it bears repeating. You have a number of small/cosmetic/lightweight purchasable features on the market that cost MORE THAN THE GAME ITSELF. Clearly, no one on this project has worked retail before.
Considering the game is free, everything costs more than the game itself.

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I'm not interesting in paying them for the work they did, I'm interested in paying for the product that was created. If "Beast Summoning" is ever produced, then I'll compensate them for the four-legged skeleton at that time, provided that it is, at the time, worth the price.
I became dubious about that possibility when I read this:

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as a VIP, I have no problem with paying for "extra" goodies but things like this, the GS, I don't see as a goodie. More of a loose costume piece than anything. Now if he ran with a stick of dynamite clenched between his teeth set to explode once enemy targeted then yes, worth the buy.
The first time somebody blows up a dog, or a dog-like creature, with Detonator, I fully anticipate Paragon Studios will get exactly the kind of publicity they don't want - from PETA. Not because it's a "real" anything (duh...) but because things that make harming animals into entertainment don't go over well with a lot of folks.

Anything that even remotely resembles a domesticated animal being set to explode opens up something I seriously doubt the PS crew wants to deal with. Exploding wild animals? Don't think it would matter to the folks who would complain.
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Dog is too expensive and I will not be purchasing it, thank you.
This. My wife, who had been wanting the GS, laughed and shook her head when I told her the price. She then proceeded to go play Facebook games instead of logging into City.

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The first time somebody blows up a dog, or a dog-like creature, with Detonator, I fully anticipate Paragon Studios will get exactly the kind of publicity they don't want - from PETA. Not because it's a "real" anything (duh...) but because things that make harming animals into entertainment don't go over well with a lot of folks.
Mmh, I don't know about that. Games like Modern Warfare have had people shooting and stabbing trained attack dogs for a while and they're still doing fine.

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Too expensive at this time. I will wait till it goes on sale.

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That would be when the wedding pack was announced, and I and others did realize this was where the game was heading and said so. It's nice knowing I was right the whole time...as usual.
Yep, I know. But everyone justified it by saying they didn't mind giving them more money as a way of supporting them. And those Packs just kept coming...till they decided to switch to this format. So now that's what we got. If people are upset it's like this now, then they shouldn't have supported those packs and what they were trying to do.

Which really makes me try to understand why people think this way. It's ok... I'm giving them money because I want to support them. I don't believe though that this game or the developers were ever really starving for cash.

Then there are the arguments that we get alot more now. But I have to ask... what are you really getting? Sure there's new stuff every week, but hey you gotta buy it. And there's no way everyone can get it all.

Don't really mean to sound preachy though, if folks like the way things are now then great.

For the record, I haven't bought a single thing in the shop.

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Most MMOs with microtransactions don't so completely lose their minds that they forget to make backups of their game systems. Conversely, game developers not distracted by supporting microtransactions seem to make the same mistake: the linked article mentions another game where a similar lack of backups (and other dumb errors) set the game back substantially.
My point being is this: It's spending real money on items you don't actually physically own. Which means if CoH just decides to one day call it quits, all the cool stuffs you bought is just gone.

 

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for the price being charged I'd expect it to provide an aoe +tohit

that would fit the whole watchdog theme.

...and tricks. for that price it had better have pet commands and emotes, such as bark, growl, scratch, dig, trashcandig, butt drag, etc...

On a side note, I have owned many dogs. just looking at this dog kind of makes me do a double take, I have seen some good dogs, some bad dogs, some 'pecial dogs, and this one, man, if there was ever a thing to look like a crazed out baby eating dog its this.

I wouldn't let that thing near any of my kids, unless of course I didn't want kids...

so i'll have to pass on the non-tohit buffing over priced baby eating trash digging monster...

...this time.

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That's what 2 months of transfers are for. And amazingly enough you get to keep your SG prestige count after you transfer back.
Using the transfer tokens has the same implications as spending points -- those tokens are then not available for transfers, etc.

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My point being is this: It's spending real money on items you don't actually physically own. Which means if CoH just decides to one day call it quits, all the cool stuffs you bought is just gone.
Okay, how is that any different from paying for any MMO in the first place? If the game shuts down, everything you paid for vanishes.

Be it subscription fees, box sales or microtransactions, you're paying for the experience. Once it's over, the only thing you get to keep is the memories. This is neither unusual nor unsavory.