The Paragon Market - A Quick Update
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-11-07 17:23 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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More base love, and a "Base Building Tutorial For Dummys" |
Originally Posted by MrHassenpheffer
...more base love.
Edit: I sincerely hope you make a speedy recover Z and that you aren't in any pain. |
And, yes Z, I too truly hope you get better. You are one of the good eggs here.
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To be honest, the costume creator really needs a better way to display path auras. It's something I've thought before I saw this new Autumn path aura, but nothing quite highlights it as badly as this does. That aura is just so....busy....that it's impossible to get a feel for how it would look in game with actual movement.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
So... the Autumn Path is "pretty damn cool looking"? Maybe if the leaf pile blobs looked better. Or maybe if there were less of those blobs as I think I can almost see leaves that actually look leaf-like underneath them.
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I'm not necessarily saying it looks bad, I'm saying I have no idea how it looks because, well...everything obscures everything else and all I see is a knee high pile of leaf-like objects.
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Yay, new part of SSA! Extra Alignment Merits for all my Alts that collect them.
...and plot, I suppose. Eh, we'll see.
Character index
I wonder if this is a way to see how the players react ,IF they plan on selling the AT specific IOs only on the market? lets face it they are trying to sell as much as they can,I wonder if this will be come the City of Buying?
Fluffy Bunny 1 Person SG
Rabid Bunny 1 Person VG
Both on Pinnacle
Hobbit's Hole 1 Person SG
Spider's Web 1 Person VG
Both on Freedom
Since I never paid attention to these in Beta because I didn't like the idea- I need to ask this.
These are account bound- does that mean buying a set makes it available to all my characters on that account that can use the set? If so and the fact that you don't lose the Set Bonuses then hell yes I'm buying these!!! I play too many Melee characters NOT to buy these.
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I was going to guess that it was going to be a flowers/grass/leaves path aura before I went to bed but I said screw it
Now I can't go back and quote my post saying I told you so 
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It'll be nice for those players who have the extra money, but only get to play a couple hours a week. As opposed to the whole "If you don't have several hours a day to devote to the game you don't get to have those things" we have had in the past. |
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
I know what you mean. Touch of Death and Mako's Bite are both highly sought-after for min/max builds due to the defense bonuses they offer.
It's still not striking me as "pay to win," as I'm sure SOMEONE will say before the end of the week, but it's definitely shifting the current balance between those players with spare cash and those with spare time. |
I only get to play a few hours a week and I'm broke, so it doesn't help me much.
I would LOVE to replace my BS/DA's level 50 Mako's Bites with these, that way I could keep my soft cap while exemped down to level 27. Not going to happen anytime soon though.
That said, the devs need to be REALLY careful what all they offer this way.
Example: Offering LotG +Recharges in this way would probably be a bad idea.
The cost is enough to deter people from kitting out entire characters with these versions of the sets, but if you really want to, I suppose you could.
It's not quite "pay to win", but it's getting dangerously close to it.
Edit: Purples and PvP IOs should remain in-game rewards only.
Making them account bound is a nice touch on them, it stops people from buying a bunch of enhancements and selling them in Wentworth's for profit.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Shield and SR. Or any other set that predominantly uses positional defense.
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Originally Posted by McCharraigin
Which of the Brute/Scrapper secondaries get the biggest bang for their buck using Touch Of Death? |
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Once you buy them, you can only claim them once, on one character. If you want them for another character, you need to buy them again. "Account bound" means you can't trade them to a character off of your account. They can't go in storage bins, be sold, etc.
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Originally Posted by Benchpresser
These are account bound- does that mean buying a set makes it available to all my characters on that account that can use the set? If so and the fact that you don't lose the Set Bonuses then hell yes I'm buying these!!! I play too many Melee characters NOT to buy these.
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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Thanks ClawsandEffect. I appreciate the info. If I may, could I ask another question..no, not here, I will go to The Scrapper Forum and ask there as that is probably the correct place to do so...again, thanks |
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Shield and SR. Or any other set that predominantly uses positional defense.
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Oh that I know.. but can I buy the set bundle more than once, for example I'm toying with the idea of buying 3 ToD sets and 2 Mako sets for my account- is that possible?
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
Once you buy them, you can only claim them once, on one character. If you want them for another character, you need to buy them again. "Account bound" means you can't trade them to a character off of your account. They can't go in storage bins, be sold, etc.
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"Well, there's going to be some light music and a short note of apology saying, 'The universe ended last week, we're really sorry, we don't know what you're doing here, didn't you get the message?'"- Steve Moffat
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I bought multiple copies of a set on Beta in order to slot up a level bumped character.
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Originally Posted by Benchpresser
Oh that I know.. but can I buy the set bundle more than once, for example I'm toying with the idea of buying 3 ToD sets and 2 Mako sets for my account- is that possible?
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Yeah, I don't see why that wouldn't be possible.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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My only issues with this is that "level with you" IOs are not earnable in-game. I don't like the idea of more powerful gear being availible for real money, but not earnable by playing the game. With these specific sets, it isn't game changing, but it is a slippery slope. As long as it is earnable in-game, I'm fine with it being available on the market.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
- 3 new Rare Melee DPS IO Enhancements (which will normally be found under the enhancements category sort by Melee and their respective max levels): Pulverizing Fisticuffs (10-25), Touch of Death (25-40) and Mako's Bite (30-50). Like our previous enhancement offerings, these Rare IOs cannot be boosted, are account bound and attuned and they will level with you, within their level ranges. We're going to be watching these items closely as they represent another convenience vs. time offering and we're interested in their reception. We'll let you know about pricing tomorrow, however this initial offering will be at 50% off of their normal price, both individually for those of you who like to mix and match for your builds and as a bundled set.
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Well prices are in, and as usual things seem uncomfortably high.
120 for the Autumnal path aura vs 80 for regular auras. See my previous post for my opinion on pricing of path auras vs regular, I still disagree with these costing more.
Mako's Bite set is 450 on 50% sale, meaning 900 at other times. At that price, I'm not sure I have an issue with it anymore, since it's so crazy that only the really desperate and/or loaded people will buy them. It does make me wonder about the AT specific IO sets, if they're sold in the store what kind of insane price are they going to go for? Already, 900 is $11.25, which is getting awfully close to the cost of a month's subscription at full month-by-month price. I shudder to think about where we go from here.
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Just to hear the incredible sound
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I have to admit I'm disappointed that there is no Titan Weapons this week. I really thought we were going to see it today-after the latest round of changes to it in Beta last week I thought we were good to go. Ugh.
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if you been keeping up with the i21.5 beta theres a little bit of base luv going on there lol
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Originally Posted by MrHassenpheffer
...more base love.
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There are currently two rules for exemplaring and set bonuses:|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
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1) If you exemplar more than 3 levels below the level of the enhancement, the set bonus from that enhancement will shut off. This means that if you exemplar below level 47 with a level 50 IO, it will not provide set bonuses.
2) If you exemplar more than 3 levels below the minimum level of the set, the set bonuses from that set will shut off.
Store bought IOs ignore rule #1 because they have no level of their own.
All enhancements have their enhancement values scale down when you exemplar (though they do it based on modifiers in a table and based on the difference between your normal and exemplared level, they do not become the same as lower level IOs as you've described). These Store Bought Enhancements do it on a slightly different scale that, based on testing in the beta, made normal IOs have slightly better enhancement values at some levels and SBEs have better values at others. Those values were so small that I think they're mostly irrelevant, but the set bonuses are still significant.
These Store Bought Enhancements, at their maximum level, give enhancement values at their maximum level. If you exemplar below 37 with normal level 40 IOs, the set bonuses shut off. If you exemplar below 47 with normal level 50 IOs, the set bonuses shut off. Not so with these. These have the enhancement value of their max level when you are at the max level, and you can exemplar all the way down to 3 levels below the minimum level of the set and keep the set bonuses. That is superior to the in-game level 50 IOs. It's also superior to in-game level 30 IOs, as the level 30s don't give level 50 enhancement values at level 50.
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I doubt we'll see it soon Doc- They stated at the beginning of 21.5 Beta that TW wouldn't be included, so I'm expecting it 2-3 weeks after 21.5 release...|
Originally Posted by Doctor_Asinine
I have to admit I'm disappointed that there is no Titan Weapons this week. I really thought we were going to see it today-after the latest round of changes to it in Beta last week I thought we were good to go. Ugh.
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and 450 at 50% off!! OUCH!! Now I gotta decide.. do I have the cash to buy 5 sets on all 3 accounts... hmmm
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to help throw out some numbers it would cost 2250 pts per account which is about $30 of points per account for 5 sets on each, actually if you got 6 sets per account it would be almost exactly $30 (would have 20 pts leftover then)|
Originally Posted by Benchpresser
I doubt we'll see it soon Doc- They stated at the beginning of 21.5 Beta that TW wouldn't be included, so I'm expecting it 2-3 weeks after 21.5 release...
and 450 at 50% off!! OUCH!! Now I gotta decide.. do I have the cash to buy 5 sets on all 3 accounts... hmmm |
$15 = 1360 pts
2x=2720 pts
6x sets = 2700 pts
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This offer does make me wonder if Paragon is seriously considering how to re-balance the in-game economy with offering on the Market. If enough people buy these IOs and others, then that will presumably affect the demand for them at the consignment house, which in turn will lower the prices.|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Making them account bound is a nice touch on them, it stops people from buying a bunch of enhancements and selling them in Wentworth's for profit.
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Of course, it's entirely possible that the Inf. supply has become so inflated, between power-levelling and farming, that no virtual monetary policy will be able to rectify the in-game economy.
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Wow, that's insane. That's even better for exemping than slotting mid-level IOs, which is the way I do it now. Part of me thinks it would be fantastic if IOs you can buy on the market behaved that way; another part thinks that IOs are powerful enough already. Still...I guess it doesn't concern me too much for PvE if another player has a better IO set than I do. Unless there's some implication to this I'm missing (quite possible), I suppose if people want to spend their points this way, more power to them. It's hard to imagine it will make the availability of mid-level IOs on the market even worse than it is now (because it's hard to get worse than '0', which what you see in a lot of recipes' For Sale columns now) and there's still merits.
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Originally Posted by Liquid
There is a very, very important aspect of these store-bought enhancements that is not mentioned here: their set bonuses do not shut off when you exemplar, unless you exemplar 3 levels below the minimum level of the enhancement. This means that purchased Mako's Bite, for example, functions like level 50 IOs at level 50, and level 30 IOs at level 30 with respect to set bonuses.
This is superior to the functionality of in-game level 50 IOs (whose set bonuses shut off at 46) or level 30 IOs (whose enhancement values stay at the level 30 value when at level 50). Though there are level ranges and exemplar levels where the in-game ones are slightly better enhancement-wise, these IOs are almost always superior to in-game IOs with respect to set bonuses. One of the reasons this was viewed as somewhat excusable by some in beta was that they were "only" uncommon sets (despite having good ones like Reactive Armor and Red Fortune). But now you are adding Touch of Death and Mako's Bite, which are very valuable sets for set bonuses. I'm looking forward to the rest of what you posted about. I'm glad to see the Preems getting a sale on Time Manipulation. Thanks for the update. |
Adding my few cents on the matter...
The only thing I believe wont have a space on the Paragon Market, IO Set-wise, is the purples.
Everything else is fair game for me.
I dont "play the market". I dont have gazillions of inf on my characters. I use whatever I find, and I am pretty confortable with all I have.
The regular sets (non-purple) are, on my vision, perfect targets to use on the PMarket, and should bring more revenue to the game.
Plus, taking away a bit of pressure from the supply/demand on the regular market could (probably not) drive the prices lower, thus turning it more attractive to the newcomers.
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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
if you been keeping up with the i21.5 beta theres a little bit of base luv going on there lol
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Do not get this nerfed as the the story arc writers got the fire farms nerfed in the mistaken belief that if there were no Fire Farms their stories, which get hardly any rewards, will get played...if I sound bitter it is because I actually enjoyed playing AE missions, but the authors role in getting the Fire Farms nerfed, and thus reducing my supply of orange salvage which I bought with tickets, has left a very sour taste in my mouth.
Also, some of us, do not care to fill the pockets of Ebil Marketeers, yet are happy to spend money to help support this game.
Lisa.
So don't wait for heroes, do it yourself
You've got the power
winners are losers
who got up and gave it just one more try
***Dennis DeYoung