I'm sorry, but I say no.

I'm just saying 2 things to clarify for those who seem to not know how to read.

1) I want to buy "content" not "time", thus stopping subscribing.
This should be a perfectly valid and worthwhile choice for those who choose it. As of the current Freedom info, it is not worthwhile because you lose access to a lot that you "can't even purchase" as it is "subscriber only".

2) I may have been harsh up there, but I think this is a pretty crappy system for any vet who either can't(I have low funds ok, get off my back) or won't out of the principle of paying for unused time(this sucks too).


Learn to read people.(wasn't in reference to you Arcanaville, but you did miss what I said I want(to buy content not time)



Edit:
Again for emphasis....

I want to pay.
I don't want free.
I just don't want to pay for time and not get all of it.
Even paying by the hour is preferable to monthly.

I'd almost put money down that this is going to be the source of much misguided wailing and gnashing of teeth for some time ... even after it goes live.

See my Guides and Tutorials

You can have all of my stuff.

I can read fine. I can even comprehend what I read. But after the 3rd screen of your 10 screen rant, I found it wasn't worth my time. And the system is much better than the current one, where a vet who can't afford to continue their subscription would be able to use absolutely nothing.

As a free (or in your case premium) player you not just keep access to EVERYTHING you've already purchases (this means character slots, booster packs, Collectors edition items, etc) but the new Vet reward system actually gives you access to alot of things for free. Your 33 months right? that means you have 11 + 2 reward 'tokens' to spend once Freedom hits live. If you wait just 3 more months, you get 2 more tokens. With those tokens, you can unlock things like ATs, the IO system, market etc. That is all part of the vet reward system.

Now, if you want access to iTrials, tough luck. If you want access to First ward, well, you can look at it, and even beat up the GM (and maybe even earn the kill badges) but you won't be able to run missions in there without paying for it.

You also have access to EVERYTHING you can before i18. So just pretend your client never got updated to Incarnates, and you get to keep ALL of that. FOR FREE.

You can buy content. Mainly due to the fact that TIME is now FREE. Anything you purchase when not a VIP (meaning you not paying a subscription fee) is your FOREVER. Noone can take that away from you. Now, the VIP option is the best pet, due to getting EVERYTHING you NOW have, plus extra things like 400 points/month, 1 reward token/month (instead of 1 every 3 months) and access to a lot of content you dont have right now. All for the exact same price your paying now.

the only thing going up in price, if you really want to count it, is the Booster Packs. Mainly due to the fact that all the combined powers/costume/emotes will amount to more then 10 bucks (or about 800 points) when i21 gets live. Everything else that you already have, your getting for with our subscription, and some of it you get to KEEP FOREVER if you stop paying.

lrn2rit

How much of the game do you lose access to now if you stop paying?

It's fifteen bucks a month. If you go to a movie once a month with a date and get a drink, you've already spent more than that. If you go out to eat by yourself to fast food restaurants once a week you've spent more than that.

Quit your ********.

Mine were more unguided than misguided.

I filed a petition. But oddly enough, very, very oddly, based on past experience, no one has gotten back to me yet. Usually I get at least a polite, "Hi, we're looking into our issue" within a day or so.

; shrug

If he has access to incarnates on the live servers now that means he already bought GR and he'll still have that access if he let's his sub lapse. Premiums don't lose anything they've already paid for.

If he hasn't bought GR yet then he has nothing to complain about because he said he wants to buy content and that is exactly what GR is, content.

I asked first.

That's your choice. Honestly I wonder how you've managed to stick with a MMO at all if you have such strong objections to paying for "unused time".

To me, it sounds like you're more frustrated with the prices (which aren't final) than the system itself. On the one hand you say you want to pay for content, on the other hand you say you shouldn't have to pay for it. Which is it?

But you keep saying you're going to lose all this stuff as if that was unexpected if you had decided to stop paying for access to that stuff. If you want to play ala carte that's fair, but everything you used to be getting because you were paying for it by subscribing you shouldn't expect to continue to get for free just because you *used to* subscribe.

This isn't a rent-to-own game. You only get access to things as a subscriber as long as you continue to pay to be a subscriber. If you stop paying, things you had access to you will stop having access to. That should be expected, even in City of Heroes Freedom. You will then have to buy back all the things you stopped paying for that every other VIP subscriber continues to pay for, just in another way.

On the general subject of things sometimes costing more ala carte than if you just subscribe, while its a perfectly valid choice to play as a Premium ala carte player, there is no reason to expect that subscribers won't get the better deal. Premium players will ultimately pay more if they try to reassemble all of a subscriber's rights one at a time (or all the ones that are even available to buy) because a) subscribers are still the priority and b) if it was cheaper ala carte that would be a penalty against subscribers, which is nonsensical.


Subscribers get the best deal. Premium ala carte players get the benefit of not having to buy everything subscribers get: they can buy only a small subset of what subscribers get. But if they try to get anywhere near the big bundle of stuff subscribers get, they will ultimately pay more because subscribers in effect get a bulk discount for buying VIP rights to the game.

If this sort of tiering is unacceptable to any player, they should probably resign themselves to not playing this game once Freedom launches because I doubt the the fundamental principles of subscribers getting the best deal, premium players getting far less than subscribers by default, and premium players having to pay more to replicate subscriber access, are likely to change before launch, after launch, or any time prior to the lights going out.

You didn't answer my question though. Can I haz your stuff?

I mean, it SOUNDS like, either way, you plan to stop paying for your account when freedom comes around. You're just mad you can't have your current level of content for free. I feel your pain. Truly. So, my offer stands to keep your stuff safe for you.

*goes back to page 1* Damn it, so you did!

....share?

I was under the impression that if you wanted to emphasize a word, you used bold, italics, or even underline rather than quotation marks. Quotation marks around the word makes me read it sarcastically, which, in turn, makes me read the entire sentence sarcastically.

But now I see the truth. "Quotation marks" added "haphazardly" to a short essay "really" make a huge difference.

We really need to find out who's taking the stuff and then replicate their methods on whichever accounts we please.

Arrrr!

Actually there is more then you think MMOs that only sell stuff for certain periods of time or renting it if you will that you most certainly can not buy permanently. It's not uncommon.

I wanna also ask whoever this is making upset OP I guess anyone else too, do you get mad or upset with your cable or internet provider that you can't just pay one lump sum and have all the channels or access you want forever? Some things it's just not worth it in the long run to sell like that and I certainly understand Paragon Studios stance on the matter.

Subscribers get some stuff free, Time Manipulation being an example, Signature Story Arcs being another example.

Yes it does. The Paragon Market has an entire section called content and in it they sell expansions and zone packs. Admittedly at this time there are only two items for sale but so what, Freedom hasn't launched yet and more can be added.

The AE isn't regular content. It's player generated and the players or devs/GM's can delete it at any time.

Funny I remember these things called City of Villains and Going Rogue. When they were released both contained content we couldn't use unless they were paid for.