2 Issue a year and you calling it long, not really, I won't Abandon this game, because of Friendship i made with the people in this game.
I be going Vip, why give it all up and go premium, only reason i would is do too money issue, as long you pay you keep all you stuff. Premium Players will keep everything they already unlock that go's for characters slots.
I no i won't switch too Vip Server, I don't think people on Virtue will either, I mean Virtue is there home to Rp at. I no I won't move to the VIP server, I see hardy anyone will, I see more people staying Vip and not switching to premium.
I See the market once they fix all the bug be a big hit for all F2p, P2p and Vip alike.
I see change is a good thing and I see a young Rabbit Scared and Paranoid of these changes, don't be, no one is forcing you to go P2p, keep being a Vip it is worth it.
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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
You get Time Manipulation.
Beam Rifle? You have to buy that. Street Justice? You have to buy that. Titan Weapon? Guess what? Yup you have to buy that. So yeah, now powersets are additonal cost, on top of your subscription fee. The 400 points a month you get? won't cover them either in a single month. |
"I want it all, I want it all, I want it all and I want it NAO" mentality is bad for the wallet, mmmmmmmmmkay? Learn to pace yourself and accumulate the points to buy the stuff you want.
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One thing that really bugs me about the naysayers who are all like "I'm VIP i should get everything for free! wha! no more free powersets for me!" is they conveniently ignore the fact that Time Manipulation and the First Ward content ARE included in the VIP sub... and we have no idea what new stuff coming down the pipe will also be included in the VIP sub as well. Just assuming that you'll never see another powerset/zone added that is included in the VIP sub is stupid.
The whole point of Freedom is to overwhelm with options. Some new stuff will be included in the subscription... but more new stuff will be in the store. The content/powersets added as part of the subscription could very well keep pace with what we've seen the past 7 years (i.e. slow as hell) but people still cry about the deluge of "buyable" content that will be added to the store and I just dont understand that. And just to comment... we did NOT get everything for free in the past. We got "what they wanted to give us" for free. And we'll still be getting "what they want to give us" for free (time manip) but we always had to pay for other things like Demon Summoning and Dual Pistols. Freedom simply puts many things in front of you and lets you decide how to use your points to get what you want and when.
Bottom Line: If you maintain your sub you wont be losing anything you have now. Let me be clear... ANYTHING YOU HAVE NOW... that means what you have at this point in time and not stuff that may or may not come in the future. What you get in the future will be along the lines of a powerset or two included in your sub once inna long while. (just like now) and a bunch of other power sets you can buy... with the points you get as part of your sub I might add. The addition of the store does not mean the end of content being added just for being a VIP. It just means you're going to be tempted with more shinies than you've seen in a long time, to shell out extra cash to have it "NAO!". But you have the CHOICE of saving your points and acquiring them at a slower pace... and there is NOTHING wrong with that.
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If everything is given to you* all at once, it's not long before you're scrabbling around for something new.
I think this applies at the moment. On Beta, I've unlocked everything and there is an element of 'So what's next?' Thankfully Live won't give me everything all at once.
Of course there's the stuff like Signature Story Arcs, actually understanding more about Reward Points so that I unlock what I want etc etc
Plus we haven't got the influx of free players yet to spend time talking to in-game.
There's a lot that we can't decide on until it's experienced Live.
I'm just sad that people are falling into the 'DOOOOOM' trap so soon. It's normally at least a week after Live, isn't it?
*you = anyone in particular, including myself
Why is it so hard for some people to realize, not everyone will always like everything?
The developers are taking their product in a direction that they think will increase it's revenue and thus it's lifespan.
If you like it, keep playing and giving them money, subscription or piecemeal. If not, don't.
There is no possible way for any company to make a product that everyone will like, because humans don't work that way.
There was a time in my lifetime when the thought of paying to watch television, other than the the TV itself and the electricity to run it, was unheard of, yet I now pay for all of the TV I watch.
Learn to grow and change with the times or stagnate and become bitter and unhappy. Seems like an easy choice to me.
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"I want it all, I want it all, I want it all and I want it NAO"
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I just hate people complaining, you do not how thing will turn out, unless you try it. Wait for Issue 21 and see for yourself wither it good or bad, don't make guess yet and worry about it.
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Originally Posted by GreenFIame
I just hate people complaining, you do not how thing will turn out, unless you try it. Wait for Issue 21 and see for yourself wither it good or bad, don't make guess yet and worry about it.
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To figure out the true value of our 400 points per month, we need to see exactly how fast they are pumping out new "must have" content that has a purchase requirement.
At this point it seems likely that 400 points a month isn't going to keep up with the demands of new content but I for one would like to see how much of a point shortfall we will have.
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It's not meant to keep up. Not even the 550 a t9 vet would get is. That's the point. They're doing all this so they can give us more stuff more often without waiting for a booster or a new issue to do it. They'll make it easier for VIPs with the stipend but it will still cost money to get everything.|
Originally Posted by Giant2005
Actually, I think it will be much later than issue 21 before we can make a fair assessment of the situation.
To figure out the true value of our 400 points per month, we need to see exactly how fast they are pumping out new "must have" content that has a purchase requirement. At this point it seems likely that 400 points a month isn't going to keep up with the demands of new content but I for one would like to see how much of a point shortfall we will have. |
However what's available in the store isn't the end all of the situation. It's what is in each issue plus what they add to the store. If you feel what's in the issues plus what you get with your stipend is less than what you used to get from free issues, then you might have a leg to stand on. However from what we've seen and what's been hinted at for the store "Coming Soon" you will be very hard pressed to make that argument stick.
Which is why the assertions that we used to get all this stuff as part of our sub are ludicrous. Either be patient and wait and see, or be mad that the changes aren't fair. Trying to be both just looks silly.
"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill
I don't plan on getting every power set anyway.
I have played only a few combinations from a few ATs so far. I am glad that I can spend my points on things that I will actually use.
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Well first off. CoH is a business, it isn't a charity. With that in mind the changes can be guaranteed to be unfair. They are actively trying to increase their revenue, you and I are their source of revenue. to increase their revenue they have to take more from us. Anything else said on the matter is simply being naive.|
Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
Which is why the assertions that we used to get all this stuff as part of our sub are ludicrous. Either be patient and wait and see, or be mad that the changes aren't fair. Trying to be both just looks silly.
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Secondly, I don't know if you quoted me by mistake or not but trying to use the phrase "be patient and wait and see" with respect to someone who's post by very definition is about patience, is a little confusing. My post was specifically highlighting the fact that we will need to "wait and see" far beyond i21 to really see the effects of these changes.
I am not hating the system nor am I blindly defending the company without any sense of reason, I am being objective and objectivity seems to be something this thread seems extremely lacking in from both the for and against crowds.
If you want my opinion, I would prefer the prices to be as high as possible. From what we have seen so far the "pay to win" model is something the Devs are toying with. If the prices on the mundane are high, the prices of things that alter balance significantly will be far out of reach from the average player and unused. That is exactly how I want them.
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It may be naive, but it seems they could get new/more customers. I am just sayin'. Cause I ain't very likely to give them more than my subscription.
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Originally Posted by Giant2005
to increase their revenue they have to take more from us. Anything else said on the matter is simply being naive.
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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
When I disagree with something the devs do, I tell them and make sure I'm heard. However I don't pollute the forums at large with a general bad attitude that makes me sound like a troll. I agree on what I agree on, and I disagree with what I disagree with, and I'm man enough not to sulk when I turn out to be incorrect. Maybe someday you can learn to do the same.
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Originally Posted by Giant2005
I am being objective and objectivity seems to be something this thread seems extremely lacking in from both the for and against crowds.
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Hmm. I wonder how this will affect the "generalist", i.e. the altoholic. I can see a possibility of 'needing' to spend one's PP on an excess of game components*, and thus the person who plays "all powersets across all archetypes" becoming less tenable than it is now. Which means that it could encourage people to "specialize" within the powersets/archetypes they do have access to.|
Originally Posted by all_hell
I don't plan on getting every power set anyway.
I have played only a few combinations from a few ATs so far. I am glad that I can spend my points on things that I will actually use. |
*Which in and of itself isn't exactly bad. But too much of it might make the free game feel deliberately gimped to encourage people to shell out real money. The only other MMO I've played was Runes of Magic, a F2P with micro-transactions. Imo it was exactly like this, and I don't play it any more.
Disclaimer: The information in this thread was my first exposure to any details of CoH:F. So if my conjecturing is off base, be kind.
NCSoft, Please reconsider your decision to close down CoH. It has an extremely loyal following and enjoys a great amount of free support from the larger community.
I invite everybody to add the above image to your signature as a petition to reverse NCSoft's decision.
I invite everybody to add the above image to your signature as a petition to reverse NCSoft's decision.
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Simple. The VIP's suffering "Gottahaveitnao!" whenever they see a new shiny will end up paying real money for the privilege of being the first to get it.|
Originally Posted by Fortress_NA
Hmm. I wonder how this will affect the "generalist", i.e. the altoholic. I can see a possibility of 'needing' to spend one's PP on an excess of game components*, and thus the person who plays "all powersets across all archetypes" becoming less tenable than it is now. Which means that it could encourage people to "specialize" within the powersets/archetypes they do have access to.
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Meanwhile the patient VIP's will simply wait a month or two and get the shiny for free. Heck the patient players may not even have to wait because they'll probably have a surplus of free points built up.
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VIPs get 400pp/mo, which means waiting two months each to access new powersets (current prices; may or may not change) for free. Instead of waiting a year or more to access a few powersets at a time for free (or gated behind purchasing an expansion). Additionally, VIPs who are currently subscribed have been accumulating 400pp monthly since July; so depending on when launch is, can purchase more than just Beam Rifle (Street Justice and Titan Weapons are slated for release after Freedom, not with Freedom). They're not likely to keep coming out with a new powerset every two months, so it's quite likely that there will be many months where your 400pp can go to things other than powersets if you're a "dedicated altoholic".
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Originally Posted by Fortress_NA
Hmm. I wonder how this will affect the "generalist", i.e. the altoholic. I can see a possibility of 'needing' to spend one's PP on an excess of game components*, and thus the person who plays "all powersets across all archetypes" becoming less tenable than it is now. Which means that it could encourage people to "specialize" within the powersets/archetypes they do have access to.
*Which in and of itself isn't exactly bad. But too much of it might make the free game feel deliberately gimped to encourage people to shell out real money. The only other MMO I've played was Runes of Magic, a F2P with micro-transactions. Imo it was exactly like this, and I don't play it any more. Disclaimer: The information in this thread was my first exposure to any details of CoH:F. So if my conjecturing is off base, be kind. |
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Simple. The VIP's suffering "Gottahaveitnao!" whenever they see a new shiny will end up paying real money for the privilege of being the first to get it.
Meanwhile the patient VIP's will simply wait a month or two and get the shiny for free. Heck the patient players may not even have to wait because they'll probably have a surplus of free points built up. |
http://prezi.com/vvvu_aav4koa/city-o...dom-sdcc-2011/
Says, among many things, "New arcs once a month". I'm not sure exactly what is and is not included in the meaning of the word 'arcs', but if they are producing stuff faster than 'waiting for it' accumulates points to get it, then one still 'falls behind'. Further and further behind as time passes. That is the main point I was attempting to make. It may even be a tirivial/moot point to many.
NCSoft, Please reconsider your decision to close down CoH. It has an extremely loyal following and enjoys a great amount of free support from the larger community.
I invite everybody to add the above image to your signature as a petition to reverse NCSoft's decision.
I invite everybody to add the above image to your signature as a petition to reverse NCSoft's decision.
Those are the Signature Arcs that VIP will get for free, no purchase required.
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All people have to pay for Premium sets. Beam, StJ and Titan are all designated Premium.
In future, there will be non-premium sets, like Time, that VIPs get for free.
Let's put this simply; You want moar stuff. Paragon need moar money to make moar stuff. And you are whining about giving them money for cool stuff so that they can make MOAR cool stuff...
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
The competion gives subscribers all new 'powersets' for free.
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And for the first time, if you don't want to wait six months for new stuff, you can buy it right now! Hooray!
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The "competition," by which I mean Champions Online, doesn't even give its free users its key selling point - freeform power design. Free users are forced to use one of about 11 pre-set archetypes that aren't just restricted to being functional classes, but also come with concept already decided for them. In practice, what the game gives you is a choice between about 11 characters to choose from, with the actual ability to make your own still reserved as a pay option.
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The competion gives subscribers all new 'powersets' for free.
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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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He doesn't want to pay a subscription fee, and he wants to keep all the stuff he has. |
Originally Posted by all_hell
What is causing you to lose these things?
I thought we were explicitly told that what we had purchased already wasn't going anywhere? |
Yes, if he stops paying for his subscription, he will lose those things.
Apparently the OP was under the impression that he would be allowed to stop paying his subscription and keep EVERYTHING.
Not the case at all, and it has been spelled out pretty clearly that it isn't the case.
He's also completely ignoring the fact that if he keeps his subscription active, he not only keeps everything, but gets MORE for his money that he's getting now.
Basically, he's whining because he wants something for nothing and he can't have it.
Really simple: If you stop paying a monthly subscription fee, you aren't going to have all the same stuff as people who do.
The ONLY way you have to pay extra for stuff is if you want to stop paying a monthly fee.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
They're not likely to keep coming out with a new powerset every two months, so it's quite likely that there will be many months where your 400pp can go to things other than powersets if you're a "dedicated altoholic".
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Beam Rifle (Freedom Launch)
Street Justice (done- coming "soon" after launch)
Titan Weapons (specified as for the store)
Staff Melee (a now not so secret leak)
"Good things" coming for Dominators (strongly hinted to be new set(s) whether they are for the store or for release remains to be seen)
They have a lot to be going forward on, and this is just the stuff we know about. I doubt they're going to make us wait long for Street Justice since people are super hyped for it, and what I've seen on beta doesn't show it to be in need of serious work.
Anyway, that's 4 sets already in various stages of done-ness. Under the new model, I wouldn't be surprised to see a new set every couple of months for the next year.
All of this is apropos of nothing, I'd love it if they maintained that kind of pace, even at 800pp per set.
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One point that I haven't seen made in this debate is the fact that, even ignoring anything on the Paragon Market, Issue 21 will be a nicely-sized issue for VIPs. Sure, you might not think it's big enough, but if you compare it to other issues in the past, it's definitely not one of the lightest ones. Completely ignoring content that came in expansions and booster packs for the moment, practically everything that's come to subscribers without extra money has come in two to four chunks per year. Considering that normal issues are going to continue happening, saving up your points to get extra goodies ends up being the equivalent of an extra issue or two per year included with your subscription. And for the first time, if you don't want to wait six months for new stuff, you can buy it right now! Hooray!
As for Premium and Free players, any complaints will always run up against one irrefutable fact: before CoH: Freedom, if you didn't pay your subscription, you got access to NOTHING. Even with restrictions, everything you get is gain, there is zero loss.
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