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Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
The value of a taunt or taunt aura is not binary, "its good" or "its not good".
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Any toon can be awesome with the right build.
Try and think of stalkers as blasters that play only in melee with the exception of sharks. Def is very easy to soft cap and you get best single target attack in the game! Sure you have the potential to get 1 shoted by a AV, but I've watched a fully IOed stone tank get 2shoted by Reichman as well as a fully IOd electric tank. (you don't need a stone tank for Master of btw. A fully slotted Ice Tanker does just fine).
If you want to up the stalker's hit points, I say you have to take away the damage from Assassin's Strike. Its the only way to keep it balanced. Basically you'd be turning a stalker into a hidden scrapper.
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Originally Posted by Gemini_2099
Isn't that the definition of binary? >.>
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Originally Posted by Heavenly Perverse
If you want to up the stalker's hit points, I say you have to take away the damage from Assassin's Strike. Its the only way to keep it balanced. Basically you'd be turning a stalker into a hidden scrapper that does less damage for almost every viable in-game scenario.
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.
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Originally Posted by Siolfir
Fixed that for you. The only thing that makes Stalker single target damage comparable to a Scrapper in short-term burst is Assassin's Strike's extra damage - power by power they fall behind with each attack otherwise; it would be beyond retarded to take it away in exchange for hit points and call it remotely close to balanced.
They could straight up buff Stalker hit points without any other changes and it still would be debatable whether or not they're balanced compared to Scrappers because the value of burst vs dps is debatable. Since burst is really only useful if there's enough to kill whatever you're facing, hard encounters turn into dps situations, meaning that AoE burst is generally enough (ambush farms aside) while anything you want high single target damage to fight is not a burst situation and so you want higher dps. |
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Originally Posted by Heavenly Perverse
If you want to up the stalker's hit points, I say you have to take away the damage from Assassin's Strike. Its the only way to keep it balanced. Basically you'd be turning a stalker into a hidden scrapper.
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Originally Posted by PsychicKitty
I dont think you can truly compare assassin strike like your are.
Its speed of recharge and attack speed...and its requirements make it a poor comparison....unless oyu are comparing it to a sniper shot....but even then....the stalker needs to also be hidden to actualy get the assasin strike to do more then moderate damage. |
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.
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Stalkers are okay at higher levels and with a lot of slotting.
Early on, you're kept out of hide a lot (moreso in Praetoria) and suffer because of that.
I just finished my KM/Regen Stalker, she was fun to play after the mid-20s early 30s but painful early on. Not sure if I would have had the same issues on a Scrapper.
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Originally Posted by Siolfir
I'm not the one saying that it needs to be made worse than it is, and the post you quoted was me saying that the only reason Stalkers are even competitive in burst damage was due to " Assassin's Strike's extra damage", meaning the from-hidden critical.
I certainly wasn't saying that it makes it so much more useful during the middle of a fight, although with high defense it's actually the 3rd best DPA attack for several primaries (it's actually better than Havoc Punch, which I see some people being told to use in single-target chains). |
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Originally Posted by Iannis
Or the overpowered idea to tag some Stalker attacks with an untyped damage so against mega-resistant targets they can punch through better than anybody else, because assassination is their job.
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Here's a wild and wacky thought ...
What if Assassin Strike only had an Interrupt Time while Hidden?
What if when not Hidden, the Interrupt Time was "zero" (or as close to zero as to make no difference). It ought to be perfectly possible to apply a +10,000% Interrupt Reduction when NOT HIDDEN modifier into the power (somehow) so as to achieve this effect.
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Originally Posted by Redlynne
Here's a wild and wacky thought ...
What if Assassin Strike only had an Interrupt Time while Hidden? What if when not Hidden, the Interrupt Time was "zero" (or as close to zero as to make no difference). It ought to be perfectly possible to apply a +10,000% Interrupt Reduction when NOT HIDDEN modifier into the power (somehow) so as to achieve this effect. |
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Originally Posted by Redlynne
Here's a wild and wacky thought ...
What if Assassin Strike only had an Interrupt Time while Hidden? What if when not Hidden, the Interrupt Time was "zero" (or as close to zero as to make no difference). It ought to be perfectly possible to apply a +10,000% Interrupt Reduction when NOT HIDDEN modifier into the power (somehow) so as to achieve this effect. |
Yeah well ... the whole reason why the Interrupt is there is because ... uh ... um ... 
... it's a Melee Range SNIPE Power (yeah, that doesn't make sense to me either) ... with an extra penalty on it to keep it from doing Awesome Damage all the time, because Stalkers really shouldn't be using Single Target NUKE powers ... or ... something ...
"Mind if I like down here for a minute?"
- Ed Grubermann
They should make AS interruptable in PvP only. In PvE the game needs to be a bit more dynamic for stalkers, their purpose in team a bit less frustrating for the stalker.
The new AT Enhancements are going to buff Stalkers significantly.
A 20% chance to hide on your attacks is a 20% crit rate on Stalkers.
Stalkers will reign supreme as the king of single target DPS.
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Originally Posted by Giant2005
The new AT Enhancements are going to buff Stalkers significantly.
A 20% chance to hide on your attacks is a 20% crit rate on Stalkers. Stalkers will reign supreme as the king of single target DPS. |
Stalker was from the very beginning my favourite AT.
Finally when Beta came out I playtested every stalker type, and fell in love with MA/Ninja.
He's been sitting at 43 since beta days.... I don't have the heart to delete him, and he's stuck on red side...
You guys saying that damage is the issue are missing the point. They just don't bring anything to a team in the 40's. They just use up a team slot. How many teams are you on featuring stalkers? How many of those (few) times do you actually benefit at all from the Stalker's presence?
They're not even good at guiding hostages out of missions. Their number one use is stealthing a mission and team tp'ing everyone to end of the mission.
IMO they really left stalker in the dark (pun intended). It really is the red headed step child AT, and it needs more than a damage buff... it needs to function on a team. We have enough 'solo' AT's and farmers... how about making it a team player?
Like as a small example (one of many) how about that AS rendering a 'crippling' side effect? Something that carries a real debuff? A -res? Anything... stuff like that.
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Originally Posted by Dal
Except that scrappers get a straight 20% crit buff, which is much better.
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Originally Posted by Dal
I don't think anyone uses it out of hide. It's even worse DPA. And I keep on getting it interrupted even when I am hidden and doing nothing else. The interruptible thing is too much of a nuisance.
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Originally Posted by _Elektro_
Stalker was from the very beginning my favourite AT.
Finally when Beta came out I playtested every stalker type, and fell in love with MA/Ninja. He's been sitting at 43 since beta days.... I don't have the heart to delete him, and he's stuck on red side... You guys saying that damage is the issue are missing the point. They just don't bring anything to a team in the 40's. They just use up a team slot. How many teams are you on featuring stalkers? How many of those (few) times do you actually benefit at all from the Stalker's presence? They're not even good at guiding hostages out of missions. Their number one use is stealthing a mission and team tp'ing everyone to end of the mission. IMO they really left stalker in the dark (pun intended). It really is the red headed step child AT, and it needs more than a damage buff... it needs to function on a team. We have enough 'solo' AT's and farmers... how about making it a team player? Like as a small example (one of many) how about that AS rendering a 'crippling' side effect? Something that carries a real debuff? A -res? Anything... stuff like that. |
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Originally Posted by _Elektro_
You guys saying that damage is the issue are missing the point. They just don't bring anything to a team in the 40's. They just use up a team slot. How many teams are you on featuring stalkers? How many of those (few) times do you actually benefit at all from the Stalker's presence?
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Originally Posted by DMystic
Actually the way that's been explained Scapper crits would go from 10% to 12% it's a 20% boost in Crits not a flat 20% chance increase
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Originally Posted by _Elektro_
Stalker was from the very beginning my favourite AT.
Finally when Beta came out I playtested every stalker type, and fell in love with MA/Ninja. He's been sitting at 43 since beta days.... I don't have the heart to delete him, and he's stuck on red side... You guys saying that damage is the issue are missing the point. They just don't bring anything to a team in the 40's. They just use up a team slot. How many teams are you on featuring stalkers? How many of those (few) times do you actually benefit at all from the Stalker's presence? They're not even good at guiding hostages out of missions. Their number one use is stealthing a mission and team tp'ing everyone to end of the mission. IMO they really left stalker in the dark (pun intended). It really is the red headed step child AT, and it needs more than a damage buff... it needs to function on a team. We have enough 'solo' AT's and farmers... how about making it a team player? Like as a small example (one of many) how about that AS rendering a 'crippling' side effect? Something that carries a real debuff? A -res? Anything... stuff like that. |
Well this is really strange....
Some of you folks responded to my comment with some good thoughts, but even though I don't think anyone is really trying to 'sell' me on the stalker, I find myself firing him up, and trying to get him blue side!
The painful part is I still really enjoy the AT. I enjoy what he's supposed to do. The question is, if I get him to blue side will I feel -usefull- enough to keep playing him? 
I'm not going to lie to you. When we started discussing this I was trying to think of the 'worst case' scenario where being a Stalker would probably hinder my chance at getting an invite. I started to think of things like:
- Incarnate trials (the people escaping one)
- Rikti crash site , or just rikti invasions
Stuff like that. I'm think you'd be hard up for invites on stuff like that for starters. We'll see.
