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I have two stalkers and play them on teams and feel useful. One has more master of badges than my bs/regen scrapper who is my actual badging character so at least on virtue people don't discriminate that badly. I have no trouble finding teams.|
Originally Posted by _Elektro_
Well this is really strange....
Some of you folks responded to my comment with some good thoughts, but even though I don't think anyone is really trying to 'sell' me on the stalker, I find myself firing him up, and trying to get him blue side! The painful part is I still really enjoy the AT. I enjoy what he's supposed to do. The question is, if I get him to blue side will I feel -usefull- enough to keep playing him?  I'm not going to lie to you. When we started discussing this I was trying to think of the 'worst case' scenario where being a Stalker would probably hinder my chance at getting an invite. I started to think of things like: - Incarnate trials (the people escaping one) - Rikti crash site , or just rikti invasions Stuff like that. I'm think you'd be hard up for invites on stuff like that for starters. We'll see. |
With my dark/dark I can scrap it out and kill things plenty fast. I am very often getting in the killing blow. No, I don't wipe whole spawns in two shots like some blasters and brutes/scrappers, but I still contribute. And I'm perfectly capable of running off on the side and completing minor objectives without the team.
My spines/nin I'd be hapier with if he actually dealt more damage. He has the attack volume, but the damage is pure crap. Still, on a recent lady grey I cleared whole spawns on my own before the team caught up to me. I had to get WAAAY ahead to give myself the time to whittle them down, but I was able to do it.
and I've brought both to mothership raids (the dark/dark has 2000 vanguard merits right now and the badge for 10 bombs and 5 kills of Ukon Grai), hami raids, LRSF, all of the incarnate content (Apex, tin mage, all three trials, etc). I've had a few people comment asking if I had a scrapper or brute for more damage, but only once or twice and they never said I had to swap just asked, I said "no", we all had fun.
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To be honest, I started a reply to your previous post but gave up. I wasn't sure there was a point. I see that kind of argument on these forums all too often. That being the idea that any character could possibly be "useless" or just "take up a team spot" as you put it. This is just absurd. I usually see it in numbers-heavy min/max threads where the people involved are of the mindset that anything less than optimal is "useless".|
Originally Posted by _Elektro_
Some of you folks responded to my comment with some good thoughts, but even though I don't think anyone is really trying to 'sell' me on the stalker, I find myself firing him up, and trying to get him blue side!
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The truth is that Stalkers are just "less than optimal". They are not nearly as fragile as most people think. They are not as far behind Scrappers on survivability OR damage as most people think... but they ARE behind. They are not enough behind to be "useless" however and if you have not managed to find a use on a team for your stalker then the problem is, to be blunt, you.
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The painful part is I still really enjoy the AT. I enjoy what he's supposed to do. The question is, if I get him to blue side will I feel -usefull- enough to keep playing him?
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Admittedly, you'll have to try harder and build better than you would with another AT, but to me it's worth it and a fun challenge.
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I'm not going to lie to you. When we started discussing this I was trying to think of the 'worst case' scenario where being a Stalker would probably hinder my chance at getting an invite. I started to think of things like: - Incarnate trials (the people escaping one) - Rikti crash site , or just rikti invasions |
As for the Rikti crash site... funny story. I was raiding the mothership with my Nin/Nin stalker before Incarnates, before IOs, and before the Stalker upgrade. In fact, my favorite trick was splitting off from my team on the last pylon and setting up to solo a bomb grate on the far side away from the raid. Granted, there was a Tier 9 and some inspirations involved back then, but it was still a lot of fun to be able to do that on a stalker and it got me some very suprised tells from teammates when they saw the "bomb planted" message on their screens very quickly after the last pylon dropped. It didn't work every time, but it worked most of the time. Usually a function of how many Rikti Magi I managed to aggro while tearing down the vent.
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| Stuff like that. I'm think you'd be hard up for invites on stuff like that for starters. We'll see. |
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I've been on many failed trials.|
Originally Posted by Zem
In my experience, trials take pretty much anyone. They are usually more interested in getting the league filled than being picky about min/maxing. And I've yet to be on a failed trial done that way either.
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If it's lamda, most often a few people crash on entering, then a few more get frustrated during the split phase. then during the final battle the remainders notice that we don't have enough acids to close all the doors because of the quitters. Soon after we don't have enough damage to take out marauder with the 4 of us left standing watching the clock tick down.
failed BAFs are almost always a result of idiots getting too crazy with nightstar on the final phase and not syncing the kills, but I was on one two weeks ago were we didn't manage to down siege the first time before the timer ran out due to no one on adds until they had gotten buffed beyond the ability to kill (at 10 minutes into the fight the original group of his backup were still shooting as us and had such high defense that 8 people unloading judgements only dropped 1 of them).
Keyes fails all over the place, mostly when there's no one taunting antimatter or when the leader can't keep morons with pets from attacking him.
I've never had one fail because they had stalkers. =)
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Admittedly, I haven't done Keyes yet. Did many BAFs and a few Lams to Incarnate my Stalker and the closest call I had was a failed Master of Lambda attempt that still managed to complete the trial (though we scrambled for additional acids while fighting Marauder and had many deaths). Have been on a few BAFs that failed to sync the AVs the first time but then did it on the second. I also had a late start on trials due to being away from the game for awhile so by the time I got there, trials tended to have many level-shifted members already.
Regardless, I have not yet encountered any leagues that were picky about membership. They tend to just forum up in RWZ and spam broadcast and global LFG channels for members, usually not specifying any particular need.
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Oh, I really hope that's the case.
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Originally Posted by DMystic
Actually the way that's been explained Scapper crits would go from 10% to 12% it's a 20% boost in Crits not a flat 20% chance increase
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Some may state my claim of being 'less desirable' for a team as a stalker is a non-issue, but I'm not too sure.
I'm on Freedom and I can find a team, almost any day within minutes as a scrapper. Some other AT's I can street clean for a half hour and not get a sniff....
As I mentioned, my Stalker is a very cool , thematic character for myself. I'm halfway to moving him blue side.
I had an old respec I used based on a (rare) forum post on MA/Ninjitsu and found it was worse than the one I had going! So I need to redo him... yet again!
Looking forward to getting him blue side so I can actually team with him!
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It's not a non-issue. But it isn't a big deal, either. Just because I don't have trouble getting teams on my stalker, that doesn't mean people are lining up to have me on their teams. I very rarely get direct tells to join random teams on a Stalker like I do on a corruptor. Still, just by monitoring global channels, there is usually some team forming willing to take anybody on.|
Originally Posted by _Elektro_
Some may state my claim of being 'less desirable' for a team as a stalker is a non-issue, but I'm not too sure.
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I think part of the problem is People generally don't seek out a Stalker when team building like they will for the other AT's.
It's rare for someone to send a tell to my Stalker asking if I want to team, however at the same time I've only been refused a team as a Stalker once, and I'm fairly certain that person was an idiot as the reason I was given is they already had a Stalker on the team.
It seems to me that Stalkers have to actively seek out teams(or make their own) more so than other AT's. Is that a big deal? not particularly.
What I find to be a big deal is that Stalkers more often than not get overshadowed by everyone else and rarely have the ability to shine due to a lot of issues with how the game mechanics are, and how those mechanics interact with Stalker abilities.
I've had my stalker specifically requested for a Barracuda. But that's about it. And usually it's more important to have a MM/Defender and doms temp power is better than the stalker version anyway, so it's rare, but it has happened.
Once at least.
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Blue side is alot of fun with a Stalker....the missions just seam alot more fun doign the Stalker thing in them.|
Originally Posted by _Elektro_
Some may state my claim of being 'less desirable' for a team as a stalker is a non-issue, but I'm not too sure.
I'm on Freedom and I can find a team, almost any day within minutes as a scrapper. Some other AT's I can street clean for a half hour and not get a sniff.... As I mentioned, my Stalker is a very cool , thematic character for myself. I'm halfway to moving him blue side. I had an old respec I used based on a (rare) forum post on MA/Ninjitsu and found it was worse than the one I had going! So I need to redo him... yet again! Looking forward to getting him blue side so I can actually team with him! |
I play on Guardian server mostly.....so i dont know exactly what anyone else has encountered...but i dont think i have ever had too much trouble getting a team.....
So if you or anyone has trouble getting teams with stalkers....Guardian server tends to be a little bit more open minded when it comes to playing...people there tend to want to play and only want players who will play...and mostly could care less about archtypes....
I think the only time they actualy care if its for something like a Hammidon Raid or the Keyes Trial...and even then....as long as they can get enough of a specifc archtype they dont mind what else anyone wants to play.
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How is that good killing one LT and letting others aoe? My brutes and scrappers kill all the mobs that come out of a door for 5 mins.|
Originally Posted by Zem
Stalkers are actually quite good at the BAF escape phase since the runner groups are often spaced far enough apart you can usually be back in Hide after each one. Don't bother with AS. Just unload a Hide crit on a LT and let your friends add some AoE splash damage. Or if you have a decent AoE of your own, attack the whole run group. I do that too if Fireball is ready.
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I've seen probably one or two stalkers do the trials and thats because they made the group. There just isn't anything groups really needed from stalkers. If they added increased damage from attacking mobs from behind like 1.5x damage, group crit buff? I've seen WoW and other games make rogue classes wanted, just not this game.
When leveling from 1-50, people fight +3 and +4 mobs. So the stalkers burst seems to mean little with brutes double rage doing better damage.
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Which is fantastic, but all I said was "good", not "best". I'm well aware there are stupidly powerful AT/powerset combos in the game. Thanks. I also see plenty of runners in the escapee phase of every BAF I've ever been on so there are no shortage of targets despite the fact there are some people who can camp doors effectively. |
Originally Posted by Pureshadow2
How is that good killing one LT and letting others aoe? My brutes and scrappers kill all the mobs that come out of a door for 5 mins.
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And I may have misspoke about the LT. I can't remember if it's LTs or bosses. I mean attacking the strongest member of the run group with a Hide crit. The others are trash easily swept up. They aren't making it past the team at the checkpoint.
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| I've seen probably one or two stalkers do the trials and thats because they made the group. |
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What Zem said x3.
=)
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I guess it boils down to a stalker being a thinking persons AT... you gonna know when to strike and who for the greatest affect on the battle.
it's not every persons cuppa tea but if you don't know your role than your out luck teaming
the greatest team i've ever been in was with @Elf Stalker and @Smack ...Both on stalkers and both on a vent server with me communicating who and what there gonna take down.
a good stalker can break the bounds of the AT
that's what i think anyway
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Of course that changes as you level up but I've never run into a problem where I was kicked or declined from a group because I was a stalker. But that could be for multiple reasons, one of which being play-times.