Dev Chat Highlights, July 20: Paragon Rewards
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Posted on: 2011-07-20 11:31 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Wondering this too...|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Which could be a hint that the level access of travel powers might be going to be changed in I21 - maybe similar to something I've suggested before - like you get your first travel power pick when you make your avatar, and then your second one at 6, which is about the time you'd be heading out into the wider city after completing the starter zone content.
Getting to pick the way you ant to travel when you make your avatar would make more sense than having to wait a few levels for it. |
That would be so awesome, real travel power at lvl 6.
Now give us some power pool customization too.
Freedom looks like the best content ever added to the game, is nice to see the devs doing the hard work to keep the game alive and better than ever.
Off topic slightly, but that new Atlas music is frighteningly similar to a new track I started on yesterday (uploaded today).
I can only call it exceptional coincidence as Paragon's version had likely been composed a while ago, yet only showcased today.
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Once you have all the tier8 rewards, you can select from tier9 or tier9 VIP... but you need to have a sunbscription to select in tier9 VIP.
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Originally Posted by Darkonne
What are the qualifications for being a Tier 9 VIP? Presumably you have to be a current VIP, I get that. But do you need to have unlocked a Tier 9 VIP bonus, or is the mere potential to do so enough?
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Looks like they've got the articles up now:
http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/fre...n_rewards.html
http://www.cityofheroes.com/news/fre...s_details.html
Yup, so it looks like you can choose freely between Tier 9 and Tier 9 VIP.
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Originally Posted by reiella
Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right
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Your choice, |
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Citation needed.
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Or..
Neither, unfortunately, available with paragon points.
This whole thing sounds unbelievably confusing.
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You can. Wait 3 years-the credit time they give you.|
Originally Posted by Everything_Xen
If a new sub can join and get to teir 9 in 3 years, why cant someone who's already given Paragon their money get there as well?
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Your complaint sounds suspiciously like the people who complained about CoV becoming included in the base game after they had to pay for it.
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I can see people a little bit miffed, if they have a lot of "useless" veteran rewards they'd rather trade in for points. That I might consider a somewhat legitimate complaint.
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Originally Posted by rsclark
It isn't. Nothing is taken away from you. There are now more options and a different system to get it. There is even another new currency. You lose nothing and get a very significant jump start on the new stuff. They have to wait 3 years and you don't.
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I cannot, for the life of me, understand why anyone would be confused at this point (beyond a few simple things which have been covered in this thread) when the thread has covered 98% of it with startling speed and accuracy. I was when I started reading, but I'm not now.
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Originally Posted by Lazarillo
This whole thing sounds unbelievably confusing.
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"Superman died fighting Doomsday because he allowed his toggles to drop, and didn't beat Doomsday before Unstoppable wore off, sad really..."
And did nobody see the last panel where it says "Veteran players may start at Tier 7+." And then goes on to say, "They'll get nearly everything for free."?
That part really worries me. I've been playing almost five years now. Perhaps by the time i21 hits, I -will- have six years under my belt. I surely don't want to pay anything to get back to where I am now, nor wait until it becomes available to me again.
Prefer redname confirmation on this.
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Confirmed by Posi in the Audience chat during today's Ustream - if you have it unlocked before Freedom, you'll have it unlocked after Freedom.
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Originally Posted by mercykilling
And did nobody see the last panel where it says "Veteran players may start at Tier 7+." And then goes on to say, "They'll get nearly everything for free."?
That part really worries me. I've been playing almost five years now. Perhaps by the time i21 hits, I -will- have six years under my belt. I surely don't want to pay anything to get back to where I am now, nor wait until it becomes available to me again. Prefer redname confirmation on this. |
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Originally Posted by Golden_Avariel
I see 34 white blocks in the first 8 tiers so I assume it costs one Reward Token to open each block. That would explain the comment about 34 tokens to open Tier 9 vet awards. So are those 15 tokens to re-buy my way up the ladder or are they in addition to my already earned rewards?.
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If you continue your subscription, you don't have to buy your way back up the ladder. You automatically get the top Tier 9.
If you go free-to-play, you have to buy your way back up the ladder. But of course you have no more monthly fee.
And I have no idea how the consumables work. Get new ones monthly? One time use? Dunno.
Also many thanks to the OP, I forgot to say.
I will have 21 tokens/rewards, so I think I will be at tier 7 I guess?
Some follow-up questions after going through the whole thread.
1) Rounding. Are we? Three out of four levels of Vet Rewards end up with a fraction in the initial Paragon Reward formula, and I'd like to know how that's being handled.
2) The discrepancy in the listed max of 29 Reward Points in the PowerPoint slide, versus what long-term Vets could actually have. I'd end up with either 32 or 33 Reward Points to start with (see #1 above), and while there's been some speculation that the slide didn't take everything into account properly, I'd like to know if some of my Points are vanishing off the top.
3) Positron confirmed that Vet Rewards you've already earned with the current system will stay with you in the Paragon Rewards system. I think the exact quote earlier in the thread was that they'd already be filled in on the grid or something like that. So my question here is that will those already-earned rewards be simply given to you, or pre-bought using the initial allotment of Reward Points? It's the difference between me starting with 32-33 Points or 7-8.
4) Lastly, I see that the Going Rogue special enhancements are now listed as a Tier 7 Reward. Seeing as how I bought Going Rogue, I would certainly hope that if a large portion of my initial Reward Point allocation will have to go to auto-rebuying my Vet Rewards (see #3 above), that the GR Enhancements would be given out for free, rather than forcing the spending of a Reward Point on something that previously did not require it.
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Do you intend to stop being a VIP once Issue 21 goes live? If not, then you'll have access to everything you have now. That is including existing Vet Rewards. Heck, if you didn't have Going Rogue, then you get that for free with your monthly subscription.|
Originally Posted by mercykilling
And did nobody see the last panel where it says "Veteran players may start at Tier 7+." And then goes on to say, "They'll get nearly everything for free."?
That part really worries me. I've been playing almost five years now. Perhaps by the time i21 hits, I -will- have six years under my belt. I surely don't want to pay anything to get back to where I am now, nor wait until it becomes available to me again. Prefer redname confirmation on this. |
Any future Paragon Rewards you get to choose from the available options for that tier, if you continue to subscribe. If not, you lose out of the items from the upper tiers you haven't got.
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Originally Posted by Pr_mus
1) Rounding. Are we? Three out of four levels of Vet Rewards end up with a fraction in the initial Paragon Reward formula, and I'd like to know how that's being handled.
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Originally Posted by Pr_mus
2) The discrepancy in the listed max of 29 Reward Points in the PowerPoint slide, versus what long-term Vets could actually have. I'd end up with either 32 or 33 Reward Points to start with (see #1 above), and while there's been some speculation that the slide didn't take everything into account properly, I'd like to know if some of my Points are vanishing off the top.
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Originally Posted by Pr_mus
3) Positron confirmed that Vet Rewards you've already earned with the current system will stay with you in the Paragon Rewards system. I think the exact quote earlier in the thread was that they'd already be filled in on the grid or something like that. So my question here is that will those already-earned rewards be simply given to you, or pre-bought using the initial allotment of Reward Points? It's the difference between me starting with 32-33 Points or 7-8.
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Originally Posted by Pr_mus
4) Lastly, I see that the Going Rogue special enhancements are now listed as a Tier 7 Reward. Seeing as how I bought Going Rogue, I would certainly hope that if a large portion of my initial Reward Point allocation will have to go to auto-rebuying my Vet Rewards (see #3 above), that the GR Enhancements would be given out for free, rather than forcing the spending of a Reward Point on something that previously did not require it.
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Question 1:
My primary account already has the GR Pre-order Enhancements, do I get another choice?
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You've been able to use them for a year before anyone else and you don't get another pick instead of it.
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I have the GR Pre-order Enhancements on my second account that has less than a year's status, do I keep them?
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Yes.
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Oh this is a tad confusing. I'm a 85 month Vet now (so probably 87 or 90 month when this goes live) so I doubt I have any room to complain. But this seems to just be a faster way to allow players access to the veteran rewards (or to just buy them outright). I don't really see how I'm getting more freedom in my choices or any thing super exciting added.
Do I need to take every thing in a tier before picking up a choice in the next higher tier? It looks like all the consumable items are "freebies" from moving up tiers, but I thought they said something about picking up the same reward multiple times (which would only make since for consumables). Is that only for the tier 9 consumables?
It looks like they threw in a 5 charge version of the Mission Teleporter power as a tier reward. Does this mean the unlimited power I have due to buying the Mac version (despite not having a Mac), will go away? Or do I simply get a second power I can use 5 times in addition to it?
Also I pre-ordered GR to get access to the GR-Enhancements. Do I really need to "spend" a paragon point on something I already have just so I can get to tier 8? I guess it is the same as getting the Arachnos Helmets as a veteran reward (but atleast in that case I got a couple of new helmets to add to the one I had), but it seems odd that I need to spend a point on something I don't need just to move up a tier.
the GR enhances are the preorder ones that you got if you preordered GR from gamestop when they had that deal
honestly they are quite worthless post lvl 20, pre lvl 20 they do help a little though
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Because the current Vet Reward system is broken. It's rewarding much wanted rewards (e.g., the portable auction house access) at seven years vet status. No newbie seeing that will regard that as an incentive... who knows if the game will be here 7 years from now or supplanted by a CoH2?|
Originally Posted by GuiltTrip
Oh this is a tad confusing. I'm a 85 month Vet now (so probably 87 or 90 month when this goes live) so I doubt I have any room to complain. But this seems to just be a faster way to allow players access to the veteran rewards (or to just buy them outright). I don't really see how I'm getting more freedom in my choices or any thing super exciting added.
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There has to be a way for newbies to 'catch up' while at the same time giving long time Vets continued rewards. And the answer is to speed up the progression of newbies and by giving consumable rewards to Vets. It's actually an excellent solution.
I still don't like being forced to take booby prize Rewards first to get better ones (Greek letters, Boxing costume set), but it's better than the old system that was unsustainable and no longer functioning as it was supposed to: A great big fat carrot to keep people subscribed.
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And one did not pay extra for them. Unlike the goodies with the Collector's Editions of CoH and CoV, this Gamestop purchase was the complete edition of the game, the same non-stackable complete edition bought elsewhere. The goodies were 'free' from Gamestop to entice you to purchase GR through them. It was a Gamestop promotion which the Devs enabled; not a Dev promotion only available at Gamestop.|
Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
the GR enhances are the preorder ones that you got if you preordered GR from gamestop when they had that deal
honestly they are quite worthless post lvl 20, pre lvl 20 they do help a little though |
IOW, this is the same case as the Arachnos Helmets or the Prestige Sprints, not the same case as Power Slide.
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From what I remember of the ustream, yes.|
Originally Posted by GuiltTrip
Do I need to take every thing in a tier before picking up a choice in the next higher tier?
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Originally Posted by GuiltTrip
It looks like all the consumable items are "freebies" from moving up tiers, but I thought they said something about picking up the same reward multiple times (which would only make since for consumables). Is that only for the tier 9 consumables?
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Originally Posted by GuiltTrip
It looks like they threw in a 5 charge version of the Mission Teleporter power as a tier reward. Does this mean the unlimited power I have due to buying the Mac version (despite not having a Mac), will go away? Or do I simply get a second power I can use 5 times in addition to it?
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Originally Posted by GuiltTrip
Also I pre-ordered GR to get access to the GR-Enhancements. Do I really need to "spend" a paragon point on something I already have just so I can get to tier 8? I guess it is the same as getting the Arachnos Helmets as a veteran reward (but atleast in that case I got a couple of new helmets to add to the one I had), but it seems odd that I need to spend a point on something I don't need just to move up a tier.
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This is a bit bigger than an expansion being added for free.|
Originally Posted by rsclark
You can. Wait 3 years-the credit time they give you.
It isn't. Nothing is taken away from you. There are now more options and a different system to get it. There is even another new currency. You lose nothing and get a very significant jump start on the new stuff. They have to wait 3 years and you don't. Your complaint sounds suspiciously like the people who complained about CoV becoming included in the base game after they had to pay for it. |
I've been subbed for 6 years... Paragon has gotten over $1000 dollars from me during that time.
Someone else can come in, spend half that, (a 3 year sub being about $540...) and get all the rewards I have access to and MORE (the tier 8, 9, and VIP). But why doesn't my extra $500 entitle me to THE SAME?
If a newbie can sub and get to tier 9 in 3 years, then I and everyone else over that mark should be there already. Especially given the whole "we care about our loyal customers" schtick.
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If you look at the table and compare it to the current veteran rewards for any veteran rewards level then it should be possible for you to spend your paragon points in a way that gets you all of your current rewards. You could (potentially) spend some of your points on different rewards but that is your choice. Now there is one slight caveat to this, I THINK that Tier 1 is "free" for all accounts which hasn't been specified (it's free for free accounts but is it free for VIPs?). If it is not free then vets with less than 12 months do get slightly screwed.|
Originally Posted by mercykilling
That part really worries me. I've been playing almost five years now. Perhaps by the time i21 hits, I -will- have six years under my belt. I surely don't want to pay anything to get back to where I am now, nor wait until it becomes available to me again.
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Now if that is true, lets look at how the current Vet Rewards map onto the table:
Tier 1 is free to all (I think)
Tier 2 corresponds to the 3 Month Vet Reward. 3 Month Vets will have 1 PRP to unlcok it with.
Tier 3 corresponds to the 6/9/12 Month Vet Rewards. Those Vets will have 2/3/5 points allowing them to spend 1 on T2 and the rest on their current items from T3. 12 month vets can also purchase one bonus reward.
Tier 4 corresponds to the 15/18/21 Month Vet Rewards. Those Vets will have 6/7/8 points allowing them to spend 4 on Tiers 2 and 3, purchase their current unlocks from Tier 4 and 1 bonus unlock.
Tier 5 corresponds to the 24/27/30/33/36 Month Vet Rewards. Those Vets will have 10/11/12/13/15 points allowing them to spend 7 on Tiers 2-4, purchase their current unlocks from Tier 5 and 2 bonus unlocks (36 month vets will get 3 bonus unlocks).
Tier 6 corresponds to the 39/42/45/48/51/54/57 Month Vet Rewards. Those Vets will have 16/17/18/20/21/22/23 points allowing them to spend 12 on Tiers 2-5, purchase their current unlocks from Tier 6 and 3 or 4 bonus unlocks.
Tier 7 corresponds to the 60/63/66/69/72/75/78 Month Vet Rewards. Those Vets will have 25/26/27/28/30/31/32 points allowing them to spend 19 on Tiers 2-6, purchase their current unlocks from Tier 7 and 5 or 6 bonus unlocks.
Tier 8 corresponds to the 81/84 Month Vet Rewards. Those Vets will have 33/35 points allowing them to spend 26 on Tiers 2-7, purchase their current unlocks from Tier 8 and 6 or 7 bonus unlocks.
Does that reassure you?
As someone who will be close to Tier 9 when this releases (if not there if closer to end of year), looks great to me! Keep taking my money!