Dev Chat Highlights, July 20: Paragon Rewards
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-07-20 11:31 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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You give WAY too much credit to the "new shiny". I know of at least four old players personally that just want to play the game just like they did back in 2004 and don't care about all the "new shinies". They will most likely cancel and play for free, exactly the same way that they've been playing in the past.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
The VIP benefits are too big
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Even if you can "buy off" most of the restrictions, the biggest reason that I'll stay a VIP is character slots. The idea of going from 12 character slots per server to maybe 6 or 7 globally just makes me shudder. It would take a fortune to buy that many slots. It won't affect people who aren't as big of altaholics as I am, but I expect plenty will have a similar reason.|
Originally Posted by Westley
I have a substantial concern that if Vets can make use of their old "Vet Rewards" credit to basically "buy off" all the restrictions placed on the Premium accounts... that we'll see a large migration of former paying customers cancelling and going free to play.
Hopefully enough new "Free" players will come in and perform micro-transactions that will cover that difference, but I have my doubts. |
That and no Incarnate content, which so far it sounds like will be VIP-only. That one might cut both ways depending on how people feel about it though
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Plus, there are things like First Ward, where only VIPs can talk to the contacts there.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
They can't buy off all the restrictions. For instance they can't use Incarnate Powers.
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@Golden Girl
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They don't cost 30+ points to unlock.|
Originally Posted by Teeko
but if they cost 30+ points to unlock, do i have to accumalate another 30 points to unlock the next refresh? or is it unlock forever and as they become available i have access to the new rewards?
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They cost 1 point.
Everything costs 1 point and fills up a circle.
Think of Tiers 1-8 like a restaurant shaped like a pyramid with a flat roof and think of Tier 9 like the food.
You use up the food. You don't use up the pyramid you're eating the food on.
Occasionally they're going to change the menu so you can get new kinds of food.
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Originally Posted by reiella
Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right
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That's fine - but it means they'll be locked out of non-Incanrate content too |
Originally Posted by Westley
You give WAY too much credit to the "new shiny". I know of at least four old players personally that just want to play the game just like they did back in 2004 and don't care about all the "new shinies". They will most likely cancel and play for free, exactly the same way that they've been playing in the past.
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@Golden Girl
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Fisticuffs, sir! My math is not faulty!|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
First, ignore Von Krieger's and Steelclaw's faulty math. (
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I was correcting his "Costume locked behind seven years of vet rewards" comment, rather than his vet reward conversion.
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Originally Posted by reiella
Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right
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But, as I said before, they don't care about any of that.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
That's fine - but it means they'll be locked out of non-Incanrate content too
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So quick question concerning Paragon Rewards...
Since I was never around for base raids could I use my Paragon points to purchase base raids? If I can purchase base raiding, does that mean the developers will have to run off and immediately fix the base raid system since I purchased it?
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Then they can. Paragon Studios is giving them a huge "thank you for your past subscription dollars".|
Originally Posted by Westley
You give WAY too much credit to the "new shiny". I know of at least four old players personally that just want to play the game just like they did back in 2004 and don't care about all the "new shinies". They will most likely cancel and play for free, exactly the same way that they've been playing in the past.
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If they want the rewards, then they can either buy piecemeal from that point.
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Originally Posted by Tokyo
So quick question concerning Paragon Rewards...
Since I was never around for base raids could I use my Paragon points to purchase base raids? If I can does that mean the developers will have to run off and immediately fix the base raid system since I purchased it? |
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Von, thanks immensely for the transcribing work you put into these. I greatly enjoy having some time to wrap my head around upcoming features before they actually go live.
These rewards sound pretty darn good. I am hugely excited about an Unslotter reward (been wanting one of those for years). Heck, all of it sounds quite well thought-out.
K
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Once there's a base raiding system, I'm sure you'll be able to purchase it with Paragon points |
Originally Posted by Tokyo
So quick question concerning Paragon Rewards...
Since I was never around for base raids could I use my Paragon points to purchase base raids? If I can purchase base raiding, does that mean the developers will have to run off and immediately fix the base raid system since I purchased it? |
@Golden Girl
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Then they can stay as premiums |
Originally Posted by Westley
But, as I said before, they don't care about any of that.
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@Golden Girl
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Of course not, silly goose. :P Why would they sell you something ahead of time that is broken?|
Originally Posted by Tokyo
So quick question concerning Paragon Rewards...
Since I was never around for base raids could I use my Paragon points to purchase base raids? If I can purchase base raiding, does that mean the developers will have to run off and immediately fix the base raid system since I purchased it? |
And that's the Paragon Market, where you buy stuff with points.
Paragon Rewards is the replacement Vet Reward program where you buy things from the Vet Rewards system with tokens.
And if you're a premium player, unlock features given to VIPs.
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Originally Posted by reiella
Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right
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Citation needed.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Plus, there are things like First Ward, where only VIPs can talk to the contacts there.
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A 84 month vet gets 35 Tokens... you're forgetting the extra one per year.|
Originally Posted by Von Krieger
I'm talking about AFTER this comes out. If someone new to the game signs up the moment CoH: Freedom is released.
To get to the 'current' level of veteran rewards (84 months) a player will have to get (84/3)=28 tokens. Said tokens are given out on a monthly basis after Freedom comes out, plus one per year of subscription. So 28/13=2, remainder 2. |
Forget about getting to a Badge level. A newbie gets a Token per month plus one per year.
To fill out Tier 8, you need 34 Tokens.
That's 2 years and 8 months.
And since there are currently 3 non-consumable rewards in Tier 9 VIP, then it's just about full 3 years for a newbie to max out the permanent rewards.
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Access can also be purchsed from the market - but only VIPs get the missions for free |
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Citation needed.
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@Golden Girl
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What is this...I don't even...|
Originally Posted by Steelclaw
Also... The IO Booster power will (if I got this right) increase the effectiveness of any IO Enhancement it is attached to by x5.
So, if you hook it up to an IO Damage it will increase the bonus of that IO by a factor of five. Black Pebble said that if the Booster was attached to a specific function IO such as the Luck of the Gambler speed increase, it would treat it as though the character had two such enhancements slotted instead of just one. Also, Positron confirmed that these boosters are PERMANENT. They are NOT like inspirations to just give you a short-term increase. He was unable to confirm if there is a maximum number of boosters you can use or how many such a number would be. |
Seriously?
That sounds crazy good.
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What is your source? That is what citation mean. Cite your source for the information.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Access can also be purchsed from the market - but only VIPs get the missions for free
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It's not a times five bonus.|
Originally Posted by Lobster
What is this...I don't even...
Seriously? That sounds crazy good. |
You get five of them. And they raise the level of an IO by 1.
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Originally Posted by reiella
Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right
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It's come up either in a previous Ustream or on the Facebook page. I'm pretty sure it was a previous Ustream, since I kind of remember writing down something similar.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
What is your source? That is what citation mean. Cite your source for the information.
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Originally Posted by reiella
Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right
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It's on the I21 overview page |
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
What is your source? That is what citation mean. Cite your source for the information.
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@Golden Girl
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fixt
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Originally Posted by Steelclaw
For ease of use I'll list the slots per Tier here:
1st = 1 (1 cumulative) 2nd = 1 (2) 3rd = 3 (5) 4th = 3 (8) 5th = 5 (13) 6th = 7 (20) 7th = 7 (27) 8th = 7 (34) 9th = 5 infinite repeatables = infinity 9th VIP = 3 (37) |
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So when we reach these tiers, can we only choose certain things that use the points? I am still confused about this whole thing.
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