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Dev Chat Highlights, July 20: Paragon Rewards

Adeon Hawkwood

By Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-07-20 11:31 in CoH and CoV General Discussions

 

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Originally Posted by Positron View Post
Tier 9 VIP will feature rotating bonuses, new bonuses will come in and old ones will retire. So there WILL be future new content for the system. It's just that in this way the tree won't become infinitely huge and unwieldy.
When old ones retire, will they be available in the paragon store proper?

 

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Originally Posted by Positron View Post
Tier 9 VIP will feature rotating bonuses, new bonuses will come in and old ones will retire. So there WILL be future new content for the system. It's just that in this way the tree won't become infinitely huge and unwieldy.
So what your saying is it would behoove us to get to Tier 9 asap to avoid missing out on Tier 9 VIP rewards being given now, as when they rotate they're going unavailble?

I don't particularly like that idea...

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Originally Posted by elvnsword09 View Post
So what your saying is it would behoove us to get to Tier 9 asap to avoid missing out on Tier 9 VIP rewards being given now, as when they rotate they're going unavailble?

I don't particularly like that idea...
Odds are they won't be limited time only, but will be rotated in and out on a regular basis.

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Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right .

 

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Originally Posted by Von Krieger View Post
No, actually. Reward Tokens are going to be handed out every month. Not every three months. Plus one per year you're subscribed.

So 13, per year, as opposed to 4.

So around 2 years, if they don't buy any points.

Also, FPARN!
I'd love to be incorrect, and for you to be right, but none of the calculations are showing that 2 years would get you to Tier 9. Unless the new tokens are in addition to what we already have earned.

Steelclaw's handy list, based off of Posi's equation doesn't show it being that fast:
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Originally Posted by Steelclaw View Post
1st = 1 (1 cumulative)
2nd = 1 (2)
3rd = 3 (6)
4th = 3 (9)
5th = 5 (14)
6th = 7 (21)
7th = 7 (28)
8th = 7 (35)
9th = 5 (40)
9th VIP = 3 (43)


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Originally Posted by Golden_Avariel View Post
After re-reading everything I think you'll get whatever you currently have plus the extra reward tokens to buy your way further up the tree. It makes the most sense because people could re-buy themselves out of something they already have. Besides, the system is going from a once/quarter reward to a once/month reward and it's a good way for the current veterans to "catch up". At 33 months I should be only 1 month from unlocking tier 9 and instead I'll just be into tier 7 or 8 (depending on when it goes live, before or after my 36 month reward) even with the extra buys.
If this is the case, I retract what I said in my first post... However, I'm not seeing where this is expressed at all.

Anyone have confirmation?

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Originally Posted by Shadow Wail View Post
So we now get to summon signature heroes/villains to do our bidding because I paid an extra $105.00 USD to get to T9?
Yes if you want it RITE NAO or you go Premium (free to play).

OR... if you continue to subscribe, you get 1 Paragon Reward Token per month effectively accelerating up what used to be the Vet Reward Tree at three times the pace. This means in will fill out the reward tree (and it *is* a tree) in just 7 months.

Since Tier 9 are just consumables (and a good thing for that, I don't have room in my trays for several more years of permanent temp powers), this means you'll catch up to current 7+ year Vets in rewards.

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Did they say that the "Windfall" reward is? I saw it on a couple of slides, but not in any of the notes.

 

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Originally Posted by elvnsword09 View Post
What's this about the huge avatars... and body types being unlocked?

Are we getting a new style body bigger then the current huge, or are new players not able to make a Big Guy...
If I'm understanding this right, Tier 1 players won't be able to make Huge characters at all, but Premium and VIP players are automatically at least Tier 2. (i.e., the restriction will only apply to completely-free never-paid-for-anything-and-never will players).

 

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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight View Post
I'd love to be incorrect, and for you to be right, but none of the calculations are showing that 2 years would get you to Tier 9. Unless the new tokens are in addition to what we already have earned.
A newbie who starts to subscribe as a VIP the day FREEDOM launches will max out the Paragon Reward tiers in 3 years.

What do old time Vets get? The ability to spend future, monthly Reward Tokens on consumables since they're already maxed out.

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Originally Posted by Zombie Man View Post
A newbie who starts to subscribe as a VIP the day FREEDOM launches will max out the Paragon Reward tiers in 3 years.

What do old time Vets get? The ability to spend future, monthly Reward Tokens on consumables since they're already maxed out.
Hmm... I'm usually quick to get this sort of thing...

I'm not following how my 42 months gets me past Tier 6.
N/3+((N/3)/4)= Paragon Reward Tokens at launch (N is your number of months on your highest vet badge)

So, 42 months would equal 17.5 points, no? And that would be in the 7th Tier.

What am I missing and/or doing wrong?
And thanks for any help (I'm very happy to be wrong in this case... and as soon as i have it pointed out, I plan to fix my first post in here).

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I, for one, simply relish the thought of doing a STF and at then end when Recluse does his little I Am Invincible! thing, all 8 people on the team summons their own Statesman.

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Originally Posted by DLancer View Post
I, for one, simply relish the thought of doing a STF and at then end when Recluse does his little I Am Invincible! thing, all 8 people on the team summons their own Statesman.
Or 24 of them summoned for the BAF

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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight View Post
I'd love to be incorrect, and for you to be right, but none of the calculations are showing that 2 years would get you to Tier 9. Unless the new tokens are in addition to what we already have earned.
I'm talking about AFTER this comes out. If someone new to the game signs up the moment CoH: Freedom is released.

To get to the 'current' level of veteran rewards (84 months) a player will have to get (84/3)=28 tokens. Said tokens are given out on a monthly basis after Freedom comes out, plus one per year of subscription.

So 28/13=2, remainder 2.

So just a little over two years will earn you seven years worth of veteran rewards.

As a result rather than never catching up with the Joneses who were here since the beginning, you're just going to keep gaining points until you reach Tier 9. People who can already reach Tier 9 will spend their tokens on consumable rewards, rather than getting a new reward every 3 months that you'll never, ever, ever be able to get at the same time as them.

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Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right .

 

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I, for one, simply relish the thought of doing a STF and at then end when Recluse does his little I Am Invincible! thing, all 8 people on the team summons their own Statesman.

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this is all kinds of confusing to me...

So im a 7 year vet right now. October comes and i get all these crazy points to unlock whatever. Do i have to unlock everything with these points? And then i have tier 9 available but i have to chose between tier 9 and tier 2 for example? Or are they already unl;ocked and now i just have a massive amounts of points?


And as a 7 year vet who is paying by quarter, am I a VIP Vet, VET, or VIP. Its all so confusing.

 

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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight View Post
So, 42 months would equal 17.5 points, no? And that would be in the 7th Tier.
Actually, Tier 6, with 4 more reward tokens to get to tier 7.

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What am I missing and/or doing wrong?
And thanks for any help (I'm very happy to be wrong in this case... and as soon as i have it pointed out, I plan to fix my first post in here).
The thing is that you are jump started 17 months into the system. To get to Tier 9 just by subscribing, you need to subscribe for another 17 months (13 reward tokens a year) until you catch up. OR you could accelerate that by 1 token per 1200 points ($15) to get to that point sooner. If a NEW player starts with Issue 21, they have to wait 3 years, or purchase a lot of Paragon Points.



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Looks great to me and thanks snowglobe for the list of how many months for each tier Helped a lot!

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I'm curious when it comes to the consumable ones, like the unslotters and the summon signature character powers. Are those account-wide like current vet rewards, or do they get used up after you claim it on one character?

 

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Originally Posted by Teeko View Post
this is all kinds of confusing to me...

So im a 7 year vet right now. October comes and i get all these crazy points to unlock whatever. Do i have to unlock everything with these points? And then i have tier 9 available but i have to chose between tier 9 and tier 2 for example? Or are they already unlocked and now i just have a massive amounts of points?
The points will be "pre-spent" with your existing Vet Rewards. Any future rewards are your choice.



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I have a substantial concern that if Vets can make use of their old "Vet Rewards" credit to basically "buy off" all the restrictions placed on the Premium accounts... that we'll see a large migration of former paying customers cancelling and going free to play.

Hopefully enough new "Free" players will come in and perform micro-transactions that will cover that difference, but I have my doubts.

 

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Originally Posted by Von Krieger View Post
Odds are they won't be limited time only, but will be rotated in and out on a regular basis.

but if they cost 30+ points to unlock, do i have to accumalate another 30 points to unlock the next refresh? or is it unlock forever and as they become available i have access to the new rewards?

 

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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight View Post
What am I missing and/or doing wrong?
Oh! I just realized that it seemed like I was correcting your tier.

No, I was correcting your "New costumes locked behind 7 years of vet rewards" comment.

Sorry for the confusion.

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Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right .

 

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Originally Posted by Westley View Post
I have a substantial concern that if Vets can make use of their old "Vet Rewards" credit to basically "buy off" all the restrictions placed on the Premium accounts... that we'll see a large migration of former paying customers cancelling and going free to play.
The VIP benefits are too big

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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight View Post
Hmm... I'm usually quick to get this sort of thing...

I'm not following how my 42 months gets me past Tier 6.
N/3+((N/3)/4)= Paragon Reward Tokens at launch (N is your number of months on your highest vet badge)

So, 42 months would equal 17.5 points, no? And that would be in the 7th Tier.

What am I missing and/or doing wrong?
First, ignore Von Krieger's and Steelclaw's faulty math. ( )

Yes, will have 17.5 points.

Look at the picture with the boxes. You buy one box per point. You don't advance to the next tier until you buy all the boxes in that tier. It take 13 points to buy all the boxes in Tier 5 and lower.

Then you can buy 4 of the 6 Rewards in in Tier 6.

Then, if you're subscribed, you get one more point per month to continue climbing the reward tree. You'll fill out Tier 8 with 14 more Tokens (which is only 13 months because of the yearly Token). After that, you'll be able to spend future Tokens on Tier 9 consumable or Tier 9 VIP items.

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