Dev Chat Highlights, July 20: Paragon Rewards
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-07-20 11:31 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Infinitely huge and unwieldy? But what if I want my Brute to use the Tier 9 VIP Tree as a Titan Weapon? I want to bash free players with my CoH Hipster Tree, danggit! I was a vet before being a vet was cool!
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Originally Posted by Positron
Tier 9 VIP will feature rotating bonuses, new bonuses will come in and old ones will retire. So there WILL be future new content for the system. It's just that in this way the tree won't become infinitely huge and unwieldy.
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They are improving it from a "get more now" perspective but they really need to take the Veteran Reward tag off of it completely. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
It's almost as if the devs try and improve the game from time to time.
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The idea of being able to buy vet rewards is very unsettling for me. It's kinda petty I guess, seeing how it's just a name, but in my mind it is not a "Veteran" reward in any way if you can buy it.
Otherwise, I like it.
*If this is completely off base I appoligize as I can't see the pics @work
They umm... kind of did.
You know by renaming it to Paragon Rewards?
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Originally Posted by reiella
Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right
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For those wondering "What tier will I be?", I made the following chart. Rednames please point out any errors.
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It may be slightly off due to some rounding issues, but it should be a good approximation of what to expect for Freedom Launch.What Tier? Vet status Tier 1: 0 F2P Tier 2: 0 Premium - 4 Months VIP at launch date Tier 3: 5 - 11 Months VIP at launch date Tier 4: 12 - 19 Months VIP at launch date Tier 5: 20 - 31 Months VIP at launch date Tier 6: 32 - 47 Months VIP at launch date Tier 7: 48 - 64 Months VIP at launch date Tier 8: 65 - 81 Months VIP at launch date Tier 9: 84+ Months VIP at launch date
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Here is a table to see where you stand as far as tiers goes:
Find your Vet Reward Status in the table. In the case of year badges, look at the red version.
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Well, the current NCSoft store isn't exactly falling over itself to accept cash |
Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
A cooldown on giving them dollars. I like that!
*SUBMIT* I'm sorry, Super Duper Man! You have already purchased 2400 Paragon Points today. You must wait 12 hours before making another purchase. Thank you for visiting the Paragon Market! |
@Golden Girl
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Here-here!|
Originally Posted by El__D
Infinitely huge and unwieldy? But what if I want my Brute to use the Tier 9 VIP Tree as a Titan Weapon? I want to bash free players with my CoH Hipster Tree, danggit! I was a vet before being a vet was cool!
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Let all those measly "free players" know their place as we bludgeon them with the Mighty Complexity! And we can lash them with the... With the... Confound it... Ah! The Great Egotistical Whip! Let all who see our might as paying veterans TREMBLE at our audacity!
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Look at that. A full-grown woman pulling off pigtails. Her crazy is off the charts.
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I really hope I do get the Tier Five, my technopath would love a Nemesis staff! XD
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
For those wondering "What tier will I be?", I made the following chart. Rednames please point out any errors.
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What Tier? Vet status Tier 1: 0 F2P Tier 2: 0 Premium - 7 Months Tier 3: 8 - 16 Months Tier 4: 15 - 21 Months Tier 5: 22 - 33 Months Tier 6: 34 - 50 Months Tier 7: 51 - 67 Months Tier 8: 68 - 83 Months Tier 9: 84+ Months |
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In the slide show they call it "Paragon Rewards". It sounds like "veteran" is, indeed, off the table.|
Originally Posted by Aluminum_Dave
They are improving it from a "get more now" perspective but they really need to take the Veteran Reward tag off of it completely.
The idea of being able to buy vet rewards is very unsettling for me. It's kinda petty I guess, seeing how it's just a name, but in my mind it is not a "Veteran" reward in any way if you can buy it. Otherwise, I like it. *If this is completely off base I appoligize as I can't see the pics @work |
This is really a good way to do it, IMO. There will be people who will not want to deal with a subscription but who will have no qualms about keeping large quantities of virtual currency around. Logical or not, it will simply be that way. This system gives them incentives for doing that, and it makes them feel like they are being appreciated as a free player, which is an insanely important feature that hardly any freemium games have built into the market system.
If I had any doubts before (I had none) then I certainly have no doubts now that the people at Paragon Studios actually do "get" the freemium market.
By the way, I'm assuming that any reports from the Underground Trial will be fine to be posted here, as it's a public thing?
@Golden Girl
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I'd rather go down the list and pick my "vet" rewards one time for my account. I don't want the boxing shorts or the Omega symbol; and there might another one or two veteran rewards I never use now that I just don't recall offhand.
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Nice, if that is how they're doing it, that's good for the freebie players. |
Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
In the slide show they call it "Paragon Rewards". It sounds like "veteran" is, indeed, off the table.
This is really a good way to do it, IMO. There will be people who will not want to deal with a subscription but who will have no qualms about keeping large quantities of virtual currency around. Logical or not, it will simply be that way. This system gives them incentives for doing that, and it makes them feel like they are being appreciated as a free player, which is an insanely important feature that hardly any freemium games have built into the market system. If I had any doubts before (I had none) then I certainly have no doubts now that the people at Paragon Studios actually do "get" the freemium market. |
*runs off to smack the interwebz around until they let me see pictures in the forums
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Positron said in the ustream chat that there will be a certain amount of "you might not like it, but you'll have to take it" with the new system, just like the Vet Rewards program.
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Originally Posted by Gaming_Glen
I'd rather go down the list and pick my "vet" rewards one time for my account. I don't want the boxing shorts or the Omega symbol; and there might another one or two veteran rewards I never use now that I just don't recall offhand.
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Right, so I now have to pay $360 in order to unlock Tier 9 and use new powersets when they're added to the game... brilliant.
Thanks a bunch.
What Tier? Vet status
Tier 1: 0 F2P
Tier 2: 0 Premium - 7 Months
Tier 3: 8 - 16 Months
Tier 4: 15 - 21 Months
Tier 5: 22 - 33 Months
Tier 6: 34 - 50 Months
Tier 7: 51 - 67 Months
Tier 8: 68 - 83 Months
Tier 9: 84+ Months
Positron said that existing Vets will have what they got auto-filled in the program.
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So if I understand this right, I dont have to waste my Paragon Rewards on stuff I've already earned... and can conceivably be further along the tree than shown here?
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Um, you don't have to unlock Tier 9... I suspect that the new powersets will not be reward choices.
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Originally Posted by Michael Cullen
Right, so I now have to pay $360 in order to unlock Tier 9 and use new powersets when they're added to the game... brilliant.
Thanks a bunch. |
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After re-reading everything I think you'll get whatever you currently have plus the extra reward tokens to buy your way further up the tree. It makes the most sense because people could re-buy themselves out of something they already have. Besides, the system is going from a once/quarter reward to a once/month reward and it's a good way for the current veterans to "catch up". At 33 months I should be only 1 month from unlocking tier 9 and instead I'll just be into tier 7 or 8 (depending on when it goes live, before or after my 36 month reward) even with the extra buys.
I assume costume purchases will still come with a free tailor token but what about the vet respecs and character slots? They aren't specified on the system.
I'm also curious about the lines next to the title of each Tier label - it makes it look like you have to be at those tiers to unlock inventions and large inspiration drops etc. Surely that's just for the non-VIP customers maybe?
[Edit] Doh - keep forgetting I earned my 36 month badge a week ago.
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I'm pretty sure that new power sets as tier 9 rewards weren't mentioned at all |
Originally Posted by Michael Cullen
Right, so I now have to pay $360 in order to unlock Tier 9 and use new powersets when they're added to the game... brilliant.
Thanks a bunch. |
@Golden Girl
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
For those wondering "What tier will I be?", I made the following chart. Rednames please point out any errors.
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What Tier? Vet status Tier 1: 0 F2P Tier 2: 0 Premium - 7 Months VIP at launch date Tier 3: 8 - 16 Months VIP at launch date Tier 4: 15 - 21 Months VIP at launch date Tier 5: 22 - 33 Months VIP at launch date Tier 6: 34 - 50 Months VIP at launch date Tier 7: 51 - 67 Months VIP at launch date Tier 8: 68 - 83 Months VIP at launch date Tier 9: 84+ Months VIP at launch date |
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Originally Posted by Everything_Xen
So if I understand this right, I dont have to waste my Paragon Rewards on stuff I've already earned... and can conceivably be further along the tree than shown here?
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See the above image.
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Well they did say exclusive new powers.
What infuriates me even more, is that if I was allowed to merge the veteran rewards I've had on the various accounts I've had over the years, I'd be tier 7 rather than tier 3.
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YES, this! This is the piece I've been waiting for, and there was no way I could be there for it, or even anywhere near my home computer. Thank you!|
Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
*******. God bless you for your transcription work.
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And it looks good. As a long time subscriber, it looks like I keep all the stuff I've already got, get more stuff right off the bat, and then keep getting more stuff in the future no slower than I have been in the past. That's what I expected, but it's nice to see some of the details. Actually, it looks better than I expected. I didn't think we'd be getting immediate bonus stuff, but that's what it looks like to me.
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Most likely inherent powers like the current Nemesis Staff vet power. So I'm guessing it refers to brand new vet powers we can get.
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Originally Posted by Michael Cullen
Well they did say exclusive new powers.
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I think in that case it will be powers like Ninja Run, Nemesis staff, Remote Auction House, and the like, and not actual powersets.|
Originally Posted by Michael Cullen
Well they did say exclusive new powers.
What infuriates me even more, is that if I was allowed to merge the veteran rewards I've had on the various accounts I've had over the years, I'd be tier 7 rather than tier 3. |
I think most if not all new Powersets (like Time Manipulation) will be free for VIP. And most probably buyable at the Paragon Store for Free and Premium players.
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The thing is that 33 or 36 months is for new subscribers. For existing/returning subscribers they get a jump start. At 36 months you'll probably be in Tier 6.
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Originally Posted by Golden_Avariel
At 33 months I should be only 1 month from unlocking tier 9 and instead I'll just be into tier 7 or 8 (depending on when it goes live, before or after my 36 month reward) even with the extra buys.
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Hmm...if MA = Mission Architect then I can easily see the error. There may be other errors but that stands out from a casual glance.
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Originally Posted by Von Krieger
 Most Tier benefits are if you're a VIP player, not a Premium. But some will be there for Premium. Tier 1's 50 paragon points are apparently used in the tutorial. There is an error on that slide, and they're muting to discuss it. They'll talk about Tier 1-3 later. |
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