Dev Chat Highlights, July 20: Paragon Rewards
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Posted on: 2011-07-20 11:31 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Tier1 is free to everyone, you don't have to spend a token for it. So the first token spent is for the tier2 (which is equivalent to the 3 months vet badge).
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Originally Posted by Shadow State
Is this accurate? I keep hear conflicting information on whether or not tier one costs a token.
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I got all pacified and was throwing myself into wholly believing this, then I saw someone talking about Enhancement Unslotters and Vouchers instead of Certificates (and I understand that those vouchers could have been from the store, while the Paragon Rewards may be account wide).|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
They have repeatedly said that you will lose nothing with this change. I highly doubt that it will change from all characters to 1 for the entire account.
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So once again, I hope the devs could clarify. When you choose the option to get Unslotters or Boosters, does each character gain them or do you just get them once per account? What about rewards like respecs, are they still for each and every character (including ones not yet made) or are they one per account?
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Still waiting for clarification of that myself. The idea that I won't be able to create new characters with 5 or 6 respecs sitting in the bank is unsettling.
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Originally Posted by StratoNexus
What about rewards like respecs, are they still for each and every character (including ones not yet made) or are they one per account?
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I just took the chart to the 99 month badge. In reality I don't expect anyone to have more than the 84 or 87 badge at Issue 21 launch. As others have said, the second red badge is the free reward token for the year.|
Originally Posted by Heartbreaker
 I suppose its not terribly relevant, as Tier 9 / Tier 9 VIP are actually the same tier and don't need to be purchased in any particular order, but am I the only person seeing "96 Months" twice on your chart? |
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Originally Posted by Von Krieger
It's on purpose.
You get an extra token every year. So every multiple of 12 months is repeated twice. In red. |
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Originally Posted by Von Krieger
Also the chart isn't quite accurate it seems, since it also seems we'll be getting one Paragon Rewards token every month leading up to the release of Freedom.
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Originally Posted by Shadow State
Is this accurate? I keep hear conflicting information on whether or not tier one costs a token.
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Tier 1 is Free to play without buying anything (brand new subscribers).
Tier 2 costs 1 reward token or premium account.
Tier 3 costs 3 reward tokens to complete.
Tier 4 costs 3 reward tokens to complete.
Tier 5 costs 5 reward tokens to complete.
Tier 6 costs 7 reward tokens to complete.
Tier 7 costs 7 reward tokens to complete.
Tier 8 costs 7 reward tokens to complete.
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Ah, like I said, it was pretty late for me, so I did not notice the other repeats on the chart, but now I see what you did there.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
I just took the chart to the 99 month badge. In reality I don't expect anyone to have more than the 84 or 87 badge at Issue 21 launch. As others have said, the second red badge is the free reward token for the year.
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Actually, I find it hard to find most of the vet reward costume bits on people these days (a lot of Ascension sets), though I did see someone with the Boxing Set 2 days ago. At any rate, the Celestial set is exactly what I would have expected for one of the 87+ month Vet Rewards. I know I would have been interested in keeping up my subscription if it were.|
Originally Posted by Celica
In terms of costume pieces your most recent example is, what, three years old?
It's extremely hard to believe they'd add costume sets that deep in the vet reward tree now. The "choicest" stuff was earned within 18 months, Tech Sleek being iffy at 27 months (perhaps on your server the boxing set is wildly popular?). The Arachnos Helmets were strangley past due compared to the pre-order sprints (and more likely drudged up when they sat around stumped for ideas), but they are not heavily used - especially not compared to trench coats and wings and samurai armor bits. |
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Originally Posted by Celica
There are less examples of costume sets being given as vet reward as they are simply being given along with new boxes (5 full sets vs 3 full sets, and this is discounting the huge number of sets that came with CoV).
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Originally Posted by Celica
They have added costumes in boxed editions every time (excepting Architect Edition, which let you choose a Booster) - pre-order sprints and helmets, Justice, Sinister, Valkyrie, Resistance, Praetorian, too numerous to list Villain sets, DVD Edition capes for both COH and COV, DVD Edition Arachnos logo, etc.
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Originally Posted by Celica
They have just added costume bits as in-game purchasable with one of our myriad in-game currencies
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Originally Posted by Celica
That's disingenuous, especially when being so dismissive of other people's opinions and lines of thought when your own are lacking in substance.
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Originally Posted by Celica
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
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Q: Are there any incentives to maintaining my subscription or reactivating my subscription before City of Heroes Freedom launches? A: Current subscribers and former subscribers that reactivate their accounts earn 400 Paragon Points per month beginning July 1, 2011. Any active subscriber also earns Reward Tokens in our new Paragon Rewards program. |
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Originally Posted by reiella
Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right
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Yes, you earn Reward Tokens before launch. How they are earned is differently than Paragon Points:|
Originally Posted by Von Krieger
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Originally Posted by Black Pebble
What is a Reward Token?
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On today's ustream (sadly not recorded), the Paragon Rewards are account wide. The costumes/emotes/non-consumables are going to be certificates. How they are handling consumables (like respecs) is up in the air though. I have the sense that even they aren't sure of how they are going to be handled at the moment.|
Originally Posted by StratoNexus
I got all pacified and was throwing myself into wholly believing this, then I saw someone talking about Enhancement Unslotters and Vouchers instead of Certificates (and I understand that those vouchers could have been from the store, while the Paragon Rewards may be account wide).
So once again, I hope the devs could clarify. When you choose the option to get Unslotters or Boosters, does each character gain them or do you just get them once per account? What about rewards like respecs, are they still for each and every character (including ones not yet made) or are they one per account? |
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Second Measure, after a brief confirmation with Positron had this to say:
Paragon Rewards Respecs: "They MIGHT be vouchers. But I thought they were automatic granted things. We keep trying different things and I can't remember what we’re currently doing. I'm living in the future and getting meetings about things to come. I'm working on Issue 22 and 23. The team has done such a good job with Freedom I feel comfortable doing what comes next."
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Posi and SM did say though that the consumables that are granted from Vet Rewards (Dual/Team Insps etc.) are Vouchers, not certificates. That's fine, as I figured that's how those would work. In other words, those are per-character. Merits and Respecs are still up in the air though.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
On today's ustream (sadly not recorded), the Paragon Rewards are account wide. The costumes/emotes/non-consumables are going to be certificates. How they are handling consumables (like respecs) is up in the air though. I have the sense that even they aren't sure of how they are going to be handled at the moment.
Edit: Second Measure, after a brief confirmation with Positron had this to say: Paragon Rewards Respecs: "They MIGHT be vouchers. But I thought they were automatic granted things. We keep trying different things and I can't remember what were currently doing. I'm living in the future and getting meetings about things to come. I'm working on Issue 22 and 23. The team has done such a good job with Freedom I feel comfortable doing what comes next." |
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Voucher = 1 per account.|
Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
Posi and SM did say though that the consumables that are granted from Vet Rewards (Dual/Team Insps etc.) are Vouchers, not certificates. That's fine, as I figured that's how those would work. In other words, those are per-character. Merits and Respecs are still up in the air though.
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Certificates = 1 per character (existing and new) for the entire account.
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Right. That's what I said. Consumables are vouchers. He clearly said that at one point. Fairly sure Matt said it. The Respecs and merits from Vet Rewards are still up in the air though, and he THOUGHT they were vouchers, but wasn't sure.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Voucher = 1 per account.
Certificates = 1 per character (existing and new) for the entire account. |
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Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
Posi and SM did say though that the consumables that are granted from Vet Rewards (Dual/Team Insps etc.) are Vouchers, not certificates. That's fine, as I figured that's how those would work. In other words, those are per-character. Merits and Respecs are still up in the air though.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Voucher = 1 per account.
Certificates = 1 per character (existing and new) for the entire account. |
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Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
Right. That's what I said.
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Matt answered the first part, Nate answered the second after consulting Matt.
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I said that "those (Consumables) are per character" meaning that when you use one, it's gone, it's not "per account" meaning that all your characters on an account get to use one before it's gone. I can see how you're correcting what I said to keep people from getting confused, and that's fine, but I know what I meant when i said it :P|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
You said vouchers were per character. At which point someone will come along and claim that every character, past, present, and future on the account will get a voucher for the consumable.
Matt answered the first part, Nate answered the second after consulting Matt. |
Let me try it again:
Consumables work once, on one character, and then they are used up/gone, etc. You do not get to use them once on EACH of your characters. I.e. if you get the "5 Dual/Team Inspirations" from the PR Chart, you have 5 total to use, if you blow them all on one character, they're gone. You'd have to wait until more are granted or buy some to get more.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Paragon Rewards Respecs: "They MIGHT be vouchers. But I thought they were automatic granted things.
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Right now, I get several Vet respecs per character I create. If it isn't a Certificate (redeemable per character) for Respecs, I will be quite unhappy.
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As will a lot of us, if it turns out that way, which I pointed out in the UStream Chat. I THINK Beastyle caught that, but I'm not sure if he was responding to me or someone else.
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Originally Posted by Caulderone
Right now, I get several Vet respecs per character I create. If it isn't a Certificate (redeemable per character) for Respecs, I will be quite unhappy.
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This makes me sad. It will make me mad if Respecs/Merits are handled that way. As long as the stuff we currently get under the Vet system is not altered, I do not really think I can be too upset that future rewards may be handled differently.|
Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
I said that "those (Consumables) are per character" meaning that when you use one, it's gone, it's not "per account" meaning that all your characters on an account get to use one before it's gone.
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The fact that the consumables are one shot per account items is annoying, but considering the other stuff we can get (not the least of which are 150 extra PPs/month), I do not feel like I can complain much. I want to say the new system feels like it is giving us less, because everything in the old system was account wide. But that would be closing my eyes to everything else the new system is granting and focusing just on this one specific type of reward which will have less impact than it might have had under the old system.
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What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
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I'm trying to avoid having to debunk things that weren't said. |
Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
I said that "those (Consumables) are per character" meaning that when you use one, it's gone, it's not "per account" meaning that all your characters on an account get to use one before it's gone. I can see how you're correcting what I said to keep people from getting confused, and that's fine, but I know what I meant when i said it :P
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Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
Let me try it again:
Consumables work once, on one character, and then they are used up/gone, etc. You do not get to use them once on EACH of your characters. I.e. if you get the "5 Dual/Team Inspirations" from the PR Chart, you have 5 total to use, if you blow them all on one character, they're gone. You'd have to wait until more are granted or buy some to get more. |
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Do you have a link to that information? During the Panel Positron says that tier 5 will take 13 tokens which is one for each slot starting with tier one and ending with tier 5 filled.
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Originally Posted by Photonstorm
Tier1 is free to everyone, you don't have to spend a token for it. So the first token spent is for the tier2 (which is equivalent to the 3 months vet badge).
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Woo. Finally read all 6 pages (546 responses) - a few thoughts:
- Regarding Respecs: Couldn't they just keep them in the Veteran Reward tab like they have already?
- 84 Month Veteran Reward now requires 2 Tokens to obtain (Colored titles and /auctionhouse). This is in contrast with the 12 Month Veteran Reward, which gives both the attack and the sprints.
- I don't like having to spend a token for GR Enhancements, considering I DID give something up to get them in the first place - I didn't get early access to Dual Pistols or Demon Summoning, nor did I get advanced beta access - and the EB Games where I pre-ordered took an additional week to get Going Rogue in, and ANOTHER week on top of that to get the pre-order bonus in!
And the GR bonus isn't the same as CoH or CoV - in both of those cases you could only apply one per account, meaning with the Vet Reward you got 3 new options. In this case, I gain nothing, and in fact have to pay for something I ALREADY sacrificed early access for.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
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I don't have time to read through all 28 pages... I'm just wondering--according to the slide, one Reward Token costs 1 Vet badge.
Does that mean I have to give up my vet badges? I realize I get to keep the bonus associated with the vet badges, but I am wondering about the badge itself. Does that disappear?
Thanks in advance for the clarification.
"Alien"
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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades
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The City Traveller option is being given to all players. So that is one less vet reward token that needs to be used.
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Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
Woo. Finally read all 6 pages (546 responses) - a few thoughts:
- 84 Month Veteran Reward now requires 2 Tokens to obtain (Colored titles and /auctionhouse). This is in contrast with the 12 Month Veteran Reward, which gives both the attack and the sprints. |
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Originally Posted by reiella
Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right
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No. One reward token doesn't "cost" any badges. You don't lose any badges you have. Just that FOR every badge you have, you GET one reward token. You also get one for every year (i.e. every 4 badges) you have. That's how you figure how many you'll have when i21 goes live. You can also earn the badges you DON'T have yet as you go along claiming rewards, plus there are new badges. Not losing anything.
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Originally Posted by AlienOne
I don't have time to read through all 28 pages... I'm just wondering--according to the slide, one Reward Token costs 1 Vet badge.
Does that mean I have to give up my vet badges? I realize I get to keep the bonus associated with the vet badges, but I am wondering about the badge itself. Does that disappear? Thanks in advance for the clarification. "Alien" |
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Thanks so much for the clarification!
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Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades
The way you play changes your IO slotting..
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