DC Relaunching Everything in the Fall?


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Putting comics on digital devices? Hey, that's fine. Just don't try and price them the same as the print versions. It's just like putting games on Steam or XBL Games on Demand. Why in the hell should I pay $40 for Halo: Reach on GoD when I can get the disc-based version for about $25 used? Or why should one buy a release on Steam that costs the same as the disc-based release?
It seems to me big companies don't understand digital distribution

Take for example PS Store and GL:Emerald Knights...

The other day I bough the Blu-Ray + DVD in the special collection box which had a small Sinestro for $25... This includes several great features and a digital copy. The sinestro figure is what added the extra $5... If I didn't get that it would have been $20

I go look on PS Store and am confronted with several deals...

GL:EK - Collector's Set which comes with a thing for First Flight and the GL comic pack...whatever that is

$25 for HD
$19 for SD
$25 for HD and SD

$20 for GL:EK HD with special feature

GL:EK (no special features)
$20 for HD
$15 for SD
$20 for HD & SD

OR I can rent that version
$6 for HD
$4 for SD


First Flight in the Store is the same price as EK...


These are in no way competitive prices and if you're buying from them you are getting ripped off as you aren't getting all the features you should be getting for that price and there is nothing that makes it up


 

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Finally back from out of town, so I'll hit on this:

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I agree that Kid Flash's costume is too busy. As are most of them. I did some checking and I best I was able to find out is that he 'officially' before Flash Point has 'auburn' colored hair. Auburn, as defined by Encarta is "dark coppery red or reddish-brown" with synonyms "redheaded, auburn-haired, chestnut-haired, ginger, sandy."
Red-brown and the like, I have no problem with. It's when they make his hair the fire red that is on display there, I get annoyed. I dislike the trend because it always managed to conflate WallyWest!Kid Flash together with BartAllen!Kid Flash.

It's picky, yes, but it's just one more step robbing Bart of his individuality.


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Iris Allen is Wally's aunt, and since there's blood relation there, it would seem that there's some red in the family. I see no reason why a grandson of Barry and Iris couldn't be more readheaded than boring brown.
As was pointed out Iris Allen actually has no blood relation with the Wests. Though it does appear there is some red hair in one of the lines as Iris' and Barry's children, Don and Dawn, are red-heads.

As for "boring brown"... name a speedster who has brown hair. In fact, name a big name superhero or at least one who is attached to a big name (i.e., sidekick/partner) who has brown hair.

Off the back of my hand, I can only name two and even then they're slightly obscure and unlikely to be picked out by name by non-fans.



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You mean this costume?

Think I would have preferred it without the red above the shield, but it still looks good
YES.

That suit is MILES above that horrible black thing.


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There's something about the image DC is trying to project...
I'll be expecting Garth Ennis's The Boys to show up and brutalize the team, because this is in the realm of self parody now.



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Furio, what are you trying to show us? Can you fix that? Please?


 

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weird...shows up on my end and the quotes...heres the link
http://www.the-gutters.com/


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Eminent comics blogger Mightygodking handicaps (hilariously) all of DC's upcoming #1 titles, scoring them by both "Number of issues until it is cancelled or relaunched" and "How Rebootylicious". Best lines: on Red Lantern Corps, "Like Green Lantern Corps but TO THE EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEME like Mountain Dew Code Red"; and on Batman: The Dark Knight, "If we relaunch this at #1 maybe we can just release the first two issues again and then maybe we’ll get out four issues this year."


 

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We also should start trying to figure out what next summer's big crossover event will be. You know the one I'm talking about, when 2/3 of the new 52 titles are utterly failing sales-wise, and DC decides to retro-boot back to the current "old" DCU.

I'm thinking Alan Scott, the Golden Age Green Lantern, steps up and uses the massive power of the Starheart to completely restore the universe to the way it should be. Then they can bring everyone back to life, and start over yet again from scratch.


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We also should start trying to figure out what next summer's big crossover event will be. You know the one I'm talking about, when 2/3 of the new 52 titles are utterly failing sales-wise, and DC decides to retro-boot back to the current "old" DCU.

I'm thinking Alan Scott, the Golden Age Green Lantern, steps up and uses the massive power of the Starheart to completely restore the universe to the way it should be. Then they can bring everyone back to life, and start over yet again from scratch.
Nope.

It's going to be a dream sequence perpetrated by none other than Ambush Bug. He'll be found to be asleep with a copy of Ultimate X-Men on his lap.



 

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As for "boring brown"... name a speedster who has brown hair. In fact, name a big name superhero or at least one who is attached to a big name (i.e., sidekick/partner) who has brown hair.
For a brown haired speedster I only have to point to the very first one, Jay Garrick. Nowadays it’s hard to tell with the stereotypical grey/white temples and his hat, but Jay has brown hair. Max Mercury also had brown hair early in his career before it turned white from age. Eobard Thawne, the original Reverse Flash, later the original Professor Zoom, also originally had brown hair before it got turned white.

There are more brown haired super heroes than you think. A random list of some I found and knew about:
Peter Parker (Spiderman), Hank Hall (Hawk, Monarch and Extant), Ted Kord (Blue Beetle), Adam Blake (Captain Comet), Abel Tarant (the Tattooed Man), Adrianna Tomaz (Isis) (very dark brown), Ahri'ahn (Arion, Lord of Atlantis), Wolfsbane, Will Payton (Starman), Kitty Pryde (Shadowcat), Reed Richards (Mister Fantastic), Bucky Barnes (Bucky, Winter Soldier, current Captain Amercia), Jay Garrick (first Flash), Bruce Banner (when he’s not being Hulk), Amy Allen (Bombshell), Janet Van Dyne (Wasp), Mark Shaw (formerly Manhunter), Max Lord, Carter Hall (Hawkman) depending on the incarnation, Brin Londo (Timberwolf of LHS), Kiera Saunders (Hawkgirl) though lots of art have more red in her hair, Cliff Steel (DCs Robotman) (though to be fair we rarely see his human form), Todd Rice (Obsidian), Dan Garrett (original Blue Beetle), Dmitri Pushkin (Rocket Red), Gim Allon (Colossal Boy of LSH), Martin Stein (part of Firestorm), Hal Jordan (though many artists color his darker), Kent Nelson (Doctor Fate), Rogue (dunno her actual name), Hercules, Ben Grimm (when he’s not in his rocky Thing form), Deliliah Dearborn (Geiger), Doreen Green (Squirrel Girl), Betty Ross, Nick Fury, Hank Pym, Cyril Shelldrake (Knight of Knight and Squire), Dan “Terrible” Turpin, Christopher Summers (Corsair and father of the summers brood), Heimdall (though it’s hard to tell with that helm), Jack Power (Matter Master of the Power Pack), Jaime Madrox (Multiple Man), Hank McCoy (before he was turned blue and beasty), Jennifer Walters (when she’s not being green as She-Hulk), Jessica Jones (Jewel, but better known nowadays as Luke Cage’s woman and mother of his child), Mitchel Shelley (Resurrection Man), and more that I don’t want to type.

This is a non-exhaustive list. The DC Database has 1531 entries under ‘brown hair’ and the Marvel database has even more with 2162 entries. Granted a large portion of those entries are of supporting characters and villains, but brown hair in superheroes is more common than you might think.
I’m surprised that you didn’t mention Peter Parker or Bruce Banner. But then you didn’t actually put names to your ‘slightly obscure’ heroes. Even Nick Fury and Hercules could be considered ‘big name’ heroes.
Now, going through those databases, there seemed to be more brown haired men than woman, but that is a different subject and I think we have had enough of a sidetrack here. Wanna talk about hair color in heroes and villains, we can make another thread.


 

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Nope.

It's going to be a dream sequence perpetrated by none other than Ambush Bug. He'll be found to be asleep with a copy of Ultimate X-Men on his lap.
That would be sheer and utter gold. The more I look at this, the more I keep seeing Marvel's "Heroes Reborn" experiment back from the 90's, mixed with a healthy dose of Ultimate-line crap. Making things younger, fresher, or newer doesn't necessarily mean making it better.

Fortunately, there are any number of ways to leave themselves an out for when it goes catastrophically wrong (which it will). Ambush Bug would be a pretty damn good one.


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That would be sheer and utter gold. The more I look at this, the more I keep seeing Marvel's "Heroes Reborn" experiment back from the 90's, mixed with a healthy dose of Ultimate-line crap. Making things younger, fresher, or newer doesn't necessarily mean making it better.

Fortunately, there are any number of ways to leave themselves an out for when it goes catastrophically wrong (which it will). Ambush Bug would be a pretty damn good one.
I forgot to add...he'll be found asleep in the bathroom and on the toilet. With a bunch of burrito wrappers laying on the ground around him. Just to reinforce how utterly bad an idea this is.



 

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To be fair many people who have brown hair did have red hair at some point as red hair tends to darken with age...

I for example had dark auburn hair with dark orange-ish beard which has slowly turned dark brown hair with medium tone brown beard.

So we could say that Bart Allen's brown/red hair thing is just him at different ages.


 

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just went to the DC site to look at their new releases for Sept.
1) Apparantly their going for the shot gun approach, put enough titles out, and their bound to get some winners (their view not mine)
2) Some of the titles look like there will be fairly minor changes if at all
3) Others, well lets just say it looks like their deep sixing a lot of history


 

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3) Others, well lets just say it looks like their deep sixing a lot of history
This my biggest sticking point at the moment as well. It's not just he history of things that have happened to the character, it's the growth of the character from those occurances. Many of these heroes started out as reall two-dimensional characters. Many were defined by their powers, not their personality. But the things that happened to them caused them to grow beyond what they started as. And this relaunch, from what little we know of it right now, seems to be taking much of that history and growth and tossing it to the winds.


 

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...Fortunately, there are any number of ways to leave themselves an out for when it goes catastrophically wrong (which it will). Ambush Bug would be a pretty damn good one.
Yeah, I see the renumbering as their big "out." If it all crashes and burns they simply go back to regular numbering and most of the core collectors will come return. The Flashpoint Universe simply becomes a distant memory like Zero Hour, Marvel 2099, and New Universe.


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More than anything else this seems like a good jumping off point for me regarding several DC titles I've been meaning to drop but haven't.


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This my biggest sticking point at the moment as well. It's not just he history of things that have happened to the character, it's the growth of the character from those occurances. Many of these heroes started out as reall two-dimensional characters. Many were defined by their powers, not their personality. But the things that happened to them caused them to grow beyond what they started as. And this relaunch, from what little we know of it right now, seems to be taking much of that history and growth and tossing it to the winds.
It makes me look at Marvel's approach, going with the Ultimates separate timeline line of comics, and thinking that was a pretty good way to go for rebooting, while not completely dropping what you have.

Of course, I say this with little-to-no real knowledge of how well they did that and how much of the non ultimate titles continued...

The idea, however, looks pretty golden, in comparison to just dropping everything for a complete wipe/reboot.

Really, a reboot is a wipe... and that is pretty harsh.


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Really, a reboot is a wipe... and that is pretty harsh.
It's not so much a wipe and reinstall/update as reformatting a previously partitioned drive, i.e. not only rebooting Super-/Aqua-/Hawk-man, etc., but also reincorporating characters who'd been segregated into the Vertigo line and introducing others from the Wildstorm imprint, much the same way as the post-Crisis on Infinite Earths inclusion of the Charlton Comics characters into the mainstream DCU.


 

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It seems to me big companies don't understand digital distribution

Take for example PS Store and GL:Emerald Knights...

The other day I bough the Blu-Ray + DVD in the special collection box which had a small Sinestro for $25... This includes several great features and a digital copy. The sinestro figure is what added the extra $5... If I didn't get that it would have been $20

I go look on PS Store and am confronted with several deals...

GL:EK - Collector's Set which comes with a thing for First Flight and the GL comic pack...whatever that is

$25 for HD
$19 for SD
$25 for HD and SD

$20 for GL:EK HD with special feature

GL:EK (no special features)
$20 for HD
$15 for SD
$20 for HD & SD

OR I can rent that version
$6 for HD
$4 for SD


First Flight in the Store is the same price as EK...


These are in no way competitive prices and if you're buying from them you are getting ripped off as you aren't getting all the features you should be getting for that price and there is nothing that makes it up
I don't know for a fact about digital movie distribution, but in digital video game distribution like Steam the reason the prices are like that is because retail chains will literally stop stocking a publishers' titles if that publisher undercuts them in the digital market. Even with digital game sales exceeding brick and mortar retail sales now, publishers simply can't afford to be completely removed from the brick and mortar market. It's kind of similar with comics, but the comics market is so small that the concern isn't so much that retailers will stop stocking a publisher's books, it's that undercutting them in digital could damage their profits badly enough that they'd just close up shop. I've read about a couple major comics retailers closing up already or making firm plans to, even with digital comics in their infancy and at high prices, that's how scared some retailers are of them.


 

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It makes me look at Marvel's approach, going with the Ultimates separate timeline line of comics, and thinking that was a pretty good way to go for rebooting, while not completely dropping what you have.

Of course, I say this with little-to-no real knowledge of how well they did that and how much of the non ultimate titles continued...
Quite a bunch. The main 616 continuity of Marvel is still as healthy as it ever was and has gained and lost a few titles over the years as normal since the Ultimate line was introduced.


 

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We also should start trying to figure out what next summer's big crossover event will be. You know the one I'm talking about, when 2/3 of the new 52 titles are utterly failing sales-wise, and DC decides to retro-boot back to the current "old" DCU.

I'm thinking Alan Scott, the Golden Age Green Lantern, steps up and uses the massive power of the Starheart to completely restore the universe to the way it should be. Then they can bring everyone back to life, and start over yet again from scratch.
Booster Gold remembers everything, gets a 24 issue maxi-series, manages to find his way to Earth Prime where he finds Superboy Prime. Superboy Prime says he's been reading the new DCU Reboot comics and "frankly, they suck". He then goes with Booster to the space between realities and punches the fabric of Earth One's reality. Retcons are set off that return everything, more or less, to the old status quo, minus a few changes here and there that were well-received with fans.


 

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From all I've read, it now appears that modern-age Superman is going to be the world's first superhero, and that the Justice League is going to be the world's first super-team. Which means they are pretty much wiping the Justice Society and all the golden-age heroes out of existence. If this is the case, then I will be giving DC two giant middle-fingered salutes, a hearty "**** you" and I will be done with them.


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From all I've read, it now appears that modern-age Superman is going to be the world's first superhero, and that the Justice League is going to be the world's first super-team. Which means they are pretty much wiping the Justice Society and all the golden-age heroes out of existence. If this is the case, then I will be giving DC two giant middle-fingered salutes, a hearty "**** you" and I will be done with them.
That's messed up, yo (if true). Did DC get bought out by Marvel or something? Are they really that bound and determined to kill off, well, everything?