DC Relaunching Everything in the Fall?

Ok...has anyone ever seen Didio and Quesada in the same room at the same time? Cuz that reads almost like OMD.

I'm actually fine with this. Still don't care for the Wonder Woman and Superman pairing.

Dawning of the age of superheroes is from the Newsarama article, and quoted there, as if it's coming from a primary source within DC. That article, which I quoted the link to in my first post, also says that that coincides with five years ago, by way of the internal link to the L.A. Times article, which both Tymer and I quoted bits of in our last posts. That article confirms that the Justice League arc set five years ago is an origin arc for the group, exploring how these new heroes react to meeting each other. Morrison is less-specific when talking about the Action Comics arc, also set five years ago, but he sure does seem to be leading that this is early in Superman's career.

I wouldn't call No Man's Land or even really 52/OYL a main event. How many references to each do you see in the past few years? How many of the events in each have a lasting effect? Pretty much none. There's also nothing saying that the timespan of each of the events that they do keep has to stay the same. If they are compressing everything, the few events that are both necessary and give some kind of in-story real world time, which I'd only classify Year One from your list as being on, they could still fudge with the in-story time and still keep the essence of the story. Everything's up in the air here.

Also fits with the de-aging that will have to happen if the whole history of Superman is dropped down to five years or so. Most stories put him at about 22-23 when he debuts. Having him married to Lois already at 28 is pretty early.

I don't know, do we really want to go back to the "will they or won't they" super-hero romances?

It's funny; Superman married Lois, Spiderman married Mary Jane, Cyclops married Jean; I was operating under the misconception that we were done with that kinda thing.

Then Jean dies (again), and Cyclops hooks up with the White Queen.

Okay, not a big deal. They still went right into the relationship with no dancing around the issue.

Then Spiderman makes his faustian deal and we say good-bye to Mary Jane.

I'm left stunned and staggering only to now be KOed by Clark and Lois getting the big split.

Why do comics hate marriages? Even before all this we saw the signs. Hey, weren't Ralph and Sue Dibney great in 'Formerly'? Well.... bad news.

Though I guess I gotta give 'em SOME props for bringing them back as ghostly detectives or whatever. Are they still around? I suppose in the reboot-verse they'll kill 'em off all over again. Either that or make an emotional wreck of their marriage; probably with one of 'em hitting the booze.

No it's not. There are better candidates to take up the mantle or retain it and not move the character back... Like Cassie Cain rebecoming Batgirl would be a step forward for her... Stephanie staying Batgirl would be her moving forward... Barbara would be her moving backwards....

Read more BoP... She has gained some movement back already due to various things.

"Laeh elcarO?"

Not strong enough.

Let's go with:

"Etadnam rotide!"

(can never remember if it's the entire phrase backwards or each word backwards)

Comics don't hate marriages, egotistical writers hate marriages. They feel it is too restrictive to their writing to be a usefull character trait. One of the big Spiderman writers actually said that a few years ago and we saw where that went. Since editors suck up to writers, they usually get their way.

Bab's becoming Batgirl again, a definite demotion, in many ways Bab's as Oracle has grown a lot and isn't the same babs who was Batgirl, and in many ways much more effective, I'd rather see her grow the Oracle role even more

Cassandra, only slight demotion, she grew out of the Batgirl role, and is now at the same stage as Dick was when he first established himself in the Nightwing Role, she needs to develop her Nightwing

Stephanie Keeping her as Batgirl would be ideal( but improve the custome please), so if Bab's becomes Batgirl, so does that make the second Bat Family role from? Although I will add, she would've been fine if she had stayed Spoiler to begin with

It's not demotion/promotion thing...
Barbara left the mantle of Batgirl. She grew out of it and became stronger character before she was paralysed.

Cassandra left because she felt she didn't belong and had to find herself. If she came back and became Batgirl again she'd be saying she has found herself and no longer needs to run from the family that she found.

Stephanie worked hard to earn the role in universe. She wants to be Batgirl not because of the title, but because of acceptance of her being part of the family. To take that away is shows a callousness of several characters that just doesn't exist... Batman only has that persona to the mass public, if he was callous then he wouldn't be doing what he is. Would Stephanie dropping the mantle regress her character? No, in fact it would grow her character in many ways due to the crap that would happen to get her to do it. What it means though is that Stephanie has something heinous happen to her (which poofing out of existence I consider heinous) or Barbara Gordon stops acting like Barbara Gordon and that character regresses... or both which is most likely the case.



DC is asking us to trust them... them being Jim Lee, Dan Didio, Marv Wolfman, Grant Morrison, and Geoff Johns... All names that one looks at (save for Didio) and is like woo they are all pretty good at this whole thing... I doubt they'll mess it up.

But let's be honest... in recent years these are the guys that have been messing up whether it has been year after year of "OMG ****'s gonna change" events or developing a MMORPG universe...or just decisions about titles such as Young Justice and the direction of characters that are just terrible.

The only one I'd say hasn't messed up is Grant Morrison, but apparently tons of people hate his run on Batman and they want to pretty much erase it. He's doing what they want to do while maintaining canon and working with it.

And really, after the interview on GL:EK with Johns and Didio who brag about needing to change Hal's origins to bring him back... come on... seriously? Why would you trust them? Sure they brought a few good elements out and are generally good at one shot story arcs with directives, but generally it seems the more free reign you give these guys the worse they are.... it really isn't them who has made the characters or stories worthwhile but rather the little guys that are being over shadowed and tossed out now.

I have found this to be generally true of most writers. The more freedom they get from editorial control, the worse the writing gets over time.

Writers are like kids. Give them too much freedom and they just break everything and demand more. We need look no further than the Ultimate U to see that.

That LITERALLY made me LOL. Thank you, Dark One.

(boy I bet you love hearing THAT, don't ya?)

I'd still love to see Cass and Steph working together in the same book. I really liked the way the two characters played off of each other.

<signed>
And lets be honest here, DC has gotten a little too happy with rebooting the Universe, its not like it has even been 5 years since the last time they did it. While I might not always agree with the directions Marvel has went, the fact is, they haven't rebooted once.

Oh yeah. That. Yeah I'm REALLY unhappy about that. Seriously I thought that the Lois/Clark marriage was the smartest, most mature thing they'd done with the character in years. Now he's gonna get snuggly with Wonder Woman? Man, didn't John Byrne already show that was too obvious of an idea?

"OMD" indeed!

Why yes, yes I do. It doesn't happen often, but I do occasionally get a good one.

Edit: Here is more info, courtesy of the same site, emphasis mine:

That Superman and Lex Luthor are going to be buddies and solve crimes along with Krypto and Lana Lang? They're going to ride around in this sweet, pimped out space van.

Wow...what a dink. Trying to force your customers to buy items that are going to be meaningless in a couple of months? Ya, that's the way to engender repeat business.

The only difference is that Marvel reboots their superheroes one at a time. Every hero in the Marvel stable has died and come back younger and changed, or gone through some other reboot, at least once.

And even with all those individual reboots, Marvel still had one universe-wide reboot: House of M. It didn't affect every title but it did hit a great many of them.