DC Relaunching Everything in the Fall?
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Posted on: 2011-05-17 19:08 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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It's a relevant observation and obvious when you are used to the common line up
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Originally Posted by Ironik
Since you focused immediately on breast size, I think we can all guess what's on your pull list.
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That will be the litmus test. I didn't study it, but the JLA shot with Wonder Woman seemed to be sufficiently busty.
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Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
It occurs to me that we have not yet seen a picture of the new Power Girl.
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@Joshua.
Thinking on it, and while it looks like they're making some changes I really don't care for (Harley Quinn comes to mind first) if they put forth the effort this would be a good time for them to develope a time line, then do what they did for Marvel Ultimate Spider-Man...100 issues equals 1 year.
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For now i'll wait and see, but with more trepidation than anticipation.
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Originally Posted by Samothrake
I refer you to my responses in this other thread as to the reasons why they thought it was a good to loose Liefield on poor Hawk and Dove.
In fact, Hawk & Dove #1 from the 1988 mini-series was Rob's first professional job. But by issue five he apparently "forgetting" to finish drawing hands and feet. Karl Kessel, the inker, had to do that. |
"i sorry i not drawed hand and feetses, i forgetting it" - Rob Liefeld
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Ah Not_Rhino I wish I could see that picture. I sure I would derive some enjoyment out of it.
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Originally Posted by Not_Rhino
"i sorry i not drawed hand and feetses, i forgetting it" - Rob Liefeld |
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Originally Posted by Samothrake
Ah Not_Rhino I wish I could see that picture. I sure I would derive some enjoyment out of it.
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This work?
* Rob Liefeld wanders into a graveyard. *
"hmm, wonder where i am, dis don't look like marvel comic office!"
* He is startled to find Alan Moore performing a warlocke ritual in a burial plot. *
"hey, what goin' on! who be down dere in dat dere hole?!"
* Alan Moore climbs out of the grave and brushes himself off. He scowls at Rob Liefeld. *
"hey, hobo beardman! what you doin' in dat dere hole? don't you know dem holes is for people who ain't no longer got blood in dey veins?"
"Silence, mortal! Tell none of this, and I shall fix your character, 'Supreme'."
"duhhh okay, whatebber you say funny beard man!"
And thus, Alan Moore won an award for "Best Writer of the Year" in 1997...
I got to wondering, maybe this whole relaunch is DC's way of thinking "We reboot everything, then set the universe up to mesh with a movie universe!"
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Comedy gold.
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Originally Posted by Not_Rhino
This work? * Rob Liefeld wanders into a graveyard. * "hmm, wonder where i am, dis don't look like marvel comic office!" * He is startled to find Alan Moore performing a warlocke ritual in a burial plot. * "hey, what goin' on! who be down dere in dat dere hole?!" * Alan Moore climbs out of the grave and brushes himself off. He scowls at Rob Liefeld. * "hey, hobo beardman! what you doin' in dat dere hole? don't you know dem holes is for people who ain't no longer got blood in dey veins?" "Silence, mortal! Tell none of this, and I shall fix your character, 'Supreme'." "duhhh okay, whatebber you say funny beard man!" And thus, Alan Moore won an award for "Best Writer of the Year" in 1997... |
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I think that might be Gypsy, but we'll see.
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Originally Posted by Samothrake
If that IS Donna, it's a totally new costume for her.
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Still trying to figure out who they are trying to attract as a new audience with this stunt. Kids? Nah, they'd rather play xbox plus the cost factor ($3 for ~10 minutes reading or $30 for a used game that'll keep 'em occupied for hours). Teens? Reading comics isn't "cool" with them plus they are taking away the *tee hee* fanservice aspect so even less of an impetus to buy. College kids? Broke plus no room to store 'em plus more concerned with booty-trolling. Adults? Comics are too "childish" in a lot of people's eyes. Then they are trying to honk off long-time readers with yet another reboot.
They probably figured they had nothing to lose. Even though they rank ahead of the independant publishers, they are far behind Marvel sales wise and falling even further as I understand it. They probably came to the conclusion that the upcoming movie versions are going to be different from the established comics continuity. Since more people watch movies than read comics, I imagine they are going to try to match up the comic versions with the upcoming movie and TV versions of the characters in an attempt to grab new readers
Easier solution...make your movie versions match up to your comics version. You don't piss off the established fanbase with a pointless reboot.
Ugh....I just realized something.....Is Superboy supposed to be part robot (making him a "cyborg"), making him something along the lines of Hank Henshaw ala Cyborg Supes??? And that costume....didnt DC do an eletric boogalo red outfit on Supes once? Do the honestly think attempting to slap something like that on what essentially is a sidekick for Supes???
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I'm not getting the "robot" reference?
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Originally Posted by Sevenpenny
Ugh....I just realized something.....Is Superboy supposed to be part robot (making him a "cyborg"), making him something along the lines of Hank Henshaw ala Cyborg Supes??? And that costume....didnt DC do an eletric boogalo red outfit on Supes once? Do the honestly think attempting to slap something like that on what essentially is a sidekick for Supes???
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Originally Posted by Scythus
I'm not getting the "robot" reference?
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It says he's still just a clone. I think that thing is supposed to be some sort of genetics machine thing, similar to the machines that grew the humans in The Matrix.
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If that's truly the case, then the artist truly messed up with the drawing of his arms. Those arms - especially the left one - can't be anything but cybernetic. |
Originally Posted by Not_Rhino
It says he's still just a clone. I think that thing is supposed to be some sort of genetics machine thing, similar to the machines that grew the humans in The Matrix.
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As to the the whole reboot thing, I am still in the 'wait and see, give a few months and see where things go' category. I am willing to follow some of these characters (like Beetle and Firestorm) because I like them, and being a curious monkey, will see what happens. I might even look up their digital iniative and see what's up with that.
I just hope that when this comes out, there will be enough people here that want to discuss them. As I have said, I really miss the weekly comics threads.
actually you can see both arms....part of the left one as well and both are "cybernetic"....so how the hell can he be a clone and have cyborg bits? What kind of Frankenstein's Monster are they creating here????
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Eh, sometimes cover art is just cover art.
It isn't necessarily robotic. Looks more like some type of organic bone-like structure to me. Maybe his flesh is being assembled onto his bones or something.
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Like those 3d organic "printers" the biomed industry's been working on.|
Originally Posted by Not_Rhino
It isn't necessarily robotic. Looks more like some type of organic bone-like structure to me. Maybe his flesh is being assembled onto his bones or something.
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http://singularityhub.com/2009/12/03...3d-bioprinter/
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Here's some interesting thoughts on that.
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Originally Posted by Dark One
Still trying to figure out who they are trying to attract as a new audience with this stunt. Kids? Nah, they'd rather play xbox plus the cost factor ($3 for ~10 minutes reading or $30 for a used game that'll keep 'em occupied for hours). Teens? Reading comics isn't "cool" with them plus they are taking away the *tee hee* fanservice aspect so even less of an impetus to buy. College kids? Broke plus no room to store 'em plus more concerned with booty-trolling. Adults? Comics are too "childish" in a lot of people's eyes. Then they are trying to honk off long-time readers with yet another reboot.
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Originally Posted by Warp_Factor
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| * Despite the first item, my line of publications I have telling stories about those characters is foundering. Sales continue to drop and a significant number of folks out in the public at large dont even know those publications still exist. |
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| * My cash flow is dependent on roughly 60,000 or so hardcore hobbyists and collectors buying my books from a relatively low number of specialty retailers who order those books three months in advance based on what my distributor tells them Im going to be doing. I have some other income from bookstores for collections of previously-published material but my day-to-day choices have, of necessity, been largely governed by catering to this specialty market. |
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| * No matter what I do, that specialty market continues to get smaller. Year after year, long-term, I lose more readers than I gain. I know that Ive put all my eggs in a steadily-shrinking basket but I had no choice at the time, and now its too late. |
What's the point in reading something when it'll be wiped out of existence a short time later?
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* Paper and production costs continue to go up. I have tried raising prices but I seem to have hit a ceiling of what people will pay for one of my regular monthly magazines at $2.99. This means that, again, no matter what I do my comics magazines will cease to turn a profit at that $2.99 price, probably within five years. I price my books higher than $2.99 and I lose readers in droves. Its a no-win. * Creator rates also are going up, and worse, a rock-star hierarchy has evolved where both myself and my rivals are forced to try to lock up proven talent with expensive exclusive contracts. This is more money in overhead that I have to somehow get back by selling stories to the specialty hobbyist market of readers that is shrinking, that wont pay more than $2.99 for a comic, that eventually go away no matter what. |
But "creator" rates? How many people are salivating at the bit to get a chance to draw the characters? And yet, they throw money at guys like frickin' Liefield. Writers are another story entirely, but there's a lot of good artists out there. Tell the rock-stars to go take a hike and that $2.99 price point will be a lot better.
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| * Meanwhile, while I struggle to get someone besides obsessed hobbyists to even read my books, I see movies about my characters and their equivalents from competing publishers make millions of dollars in revenue all over the world. Moreover, I can see from bookstores that there are genre-fiction publication series with continuing characters that have a staggeringly huge readership compared to mine. |
You don't think that has something to do with a) price point - $10 for a 2 hour movie vs $3 for less than 10 minutes of read time on a comic; b) self-contained nature of the movies - don't need to watch 8 other movies that week to understand it; c) the continuing characters are focused on the lowest common denominator and generally limited in the amount of material available; d) if you don't like the movie while watching it, you can generally walk out and get your money back.
Putting comics on digital devices? Hey, that's fine. Just don't try and price them the same as the print versions. It's just like putting games on Steam or XBL Games on Demand. Why in the hell should I pay $40 for Halo: Reach on GoD when I can get the disc-based version for about $25 used? Or why should one buy a release on Steam that costs the same as the disc-based release?
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