DC Relaunching Everything in the Fall?
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Posted on: 2011-05-17 19:08 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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/e yawwwwwn. I just got tired reading everything you just posted.|
Originally Posted by Durakken
Actually over the last week or so of discussing this with people its become apparent that people don't use the word reboot exactly correctly when it comes to DCU...
The DCU has never had an actual reboot. It has had retcons and a setting of official canon as well as removing other canon. Crisis on Infinite Earths was more a story line reason for focusing only on the modern age and defining what is actually canon... It did not reboot the DCU... especially since it just set the timeline to Y10. Zero Hour while the story did reboot within itself, it simply defined Y100+ and retconned some problems and since again it didn't start telling stories at Y0 it was not a reboot Infinite Crisis reintroduced the things eliminated in CoIE in a more organized way and with a organized multiverse... Anyways the "New DCU" has me interested in what they mean and makes me wonder if they are going to reveal what they have been hinting at for a while... that the 52 universes and the infinite multiverse is actually just one layer within a mega infinite multiverse... They hinted at it at the end of 52, they pretty much stated it in Blackest Night, one of the major writers hinted at it while answering a question, and I doubt they launching 52 issue #1s by coincidence. |
How about a suggestion for both Marvel and DC: STOP resetting/rebooting/restarting/triming down/whatever the hell you want to call it everything. Just tell good stories and let some history build for a year or two at least. That way character actions and deaths actually have consequences.
Till then I've stopped taking either universe seriously. As far as I'm concerned both universes are no better than fan fiction going forward.
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The second half of Astro City's "The Dark Age" story (for which I've been waiting for three fricking years now) will now be replaced with ten pages of Batman giving a speech about how Killing Is Always Wrong and "no one else can understand his dark, painful quest." |
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More news, Wildstorm universe characters maybe intergrated into the DC Universe reboot.
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They don't really have a choice as far as Superman is concerned, thanks to the lawsuit from the Siegel and Shuster estates. Besides the costume changes and origin adjustments for Superman, they might have to remove Lois Lane altogether.|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
How about a suggestion for both Marvel and DC: STOP resetting/rebooting/restarting/triming down/whatever the hell you want to call it everything. Just tell good stories and let some history build for a year or two at least. That way character actions and deaths actually have consequences.
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So as long as they're changing Superman, they might as well change everything else too. Fortunately it looks like the Green Lantern Corps (and related rainbow colors) will be getting off lightly.
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I always thought it selfish of Supes for dating a normal especially since, unless it changed, the whole world knows he likes her. She should have been killed now by anyone of the villains Supes has stopped and was looking for a way to get back at him. What is he going to do about it? Throw them back into the revolving door that is comic book justice system? He would have to spend the rest of his life knowing she died because of him. Batman knows this. At least in the JLU cartoons.
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Originally Posted by Mirai
They don't really have a choice as far as Superman is concerned, thanks to the lawsuit from the Siegel and Shuster estates. Besides the costume changes and origin adjustments for Superman, they might have to remove Lois Lane altogether.
So as long as they're changing Superman, they might as well change everything else too. Fortunately it looks like the Green Lantern Corps (and related rainbow colors) will be getting off lightly. |
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Nah, if something really bad happens, he can spin the earth backwards and reverse it. :P
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Originally Posted by Knight_Marshal
I always thought it selfish of Supes for dating a normal especially since, unless it changed, the whole world knows he likes her. She should have been killed now by anyone of the villains Supes has stopped and was looking for a way to get back at him. What is he going to do about it? Throw them back into the revolving door that is comic book justice system? He would have to spend the rest of his life knowing she died because of him. Batman knows this. At least in the JLU cartoons.
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I'm beginning to think i'm the only one that has read comics lately...|
Originally Posted by Knight_Marshal
I always thought it selfish of Supes for dating a normal especially since, unless it changed, the whole world knows he likes her. She should have been killed now by anyone of the villains Supes has stopped and was looking for a way to get back at him. What is he going to do about it? Throw them back into the revolving door that is comic book justice system? He would have to spend the rest of his life knowing she died because of him. Batman knows this. At least in the JLU cartoons.
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Back when Clark proposed and revealed himself to be Clark shortly after some stuff happened and he broke it off for exactly these types of reasons...
Lois's response... "Stop being so arrogant. It is my decision to put myself in this danger and for you to not let me take this risk is akin to you trying to control my life...and besides with being a reporter I'm in danger all the time anyways"
Batman has pretty much the same outlook as Lois. While he believes it is wrong to bring someone into his world once they are in that world it is their choice to stay or not. This has been the case with all the Batwomen, Bat-Men, Silver Saintcloud (or whatever her name is), Jezebel Jet, a few others not affiliated with the Batfamily, all but 1 Batgirl (and a robin)...
Stephenie Brown he tried to force her to quit for years and he found that ended bad and Vicky Vale he's tried to keep out of the life style more or less over the years.
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This is completely wrong.|
Originally Posted by Mirai
They don't really have a choice as far as Superman is concerned, thanks to the lawsuit from the Siegel and Shuster estates. Besides the costume changes and origin adjustments for Superman, they might have to remove Lois Lane altogether.
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I am 100% certain that Superman's origin as an alien from Krypton will not be touched. Lois Lane will not be gotten rid of. The names "Clark Kent," "Superman," and "Kal-El" will not be lost.
The lawsuit with the Siegels and Shusters is about them wanting money. They aren't trying to rip the character away from Time Warner so they can publish their own Superman stories. If they did that, each of them would only have half of a character, and neither of them would be able to profit from it. Besides that, the Siegels/Shusters wouldn't know what to do with such a huge intellectual property. They're just holding out for more money, but it will be settled out of court.
The costume change is purely a boneheaded attempt to make Superman "look cool" even though his costume is iconic and hasn't had any drastic permanent changes since the logo was finalized in the late 40s. It will revert to normal within a few years. I suspect this entire "New DCU" will revert to normal within a few years, too. The question is: how many people will still be around, or willing to come back, when it happens?
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Originally Posted by Veritech
Nah, if something really bad happens, he can spin the earth backwards and reverse it. :P
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There was an episode of Superman TAS where Lois got zapped to an alternate Earth where she was killed and Superman couldnt save her so in his grief and missery he joined up with Luthor to bring "order" to Metropolis. Luthor of course was doing things behind that Superman's back and when Superman found out he repented and stopped Luthor.|
Originally Posted by Knight_Marshal
I always thought it selfish of Supes for dating a normal especially since, unless it changed, the whole world knows he likes her. She should have been killed now by anyone of the villains Supes has stopped and was looking for a way to get back at him. What is he going to do about it? Throw them back into the revolving door that is comic book justice system? He would have to spend the rest of his life knowing she died because of him. Batman knows this. At least in the JLU cartoons.
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Point is this: some villains may have figured out that Lois is a "Safety valve" of sorts that helps keep Superman under control. Any villain that kills her runs the risk of pushing Superman over the edge and facing his wrath.
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There is a difference between being in danger and having someone actively out to kill you.|
Originally Posted by Durakken
I'm beginning to think i'm the only one that has read comics lately...
Back when Clark proposed and revealed himself to be Clark shortly after some stuff happened and he broke it off for exactly these types of reasons... Lois's response... "Stop being so arrogant. It is my decision to put myself in this danger and for you to not let me take this risk is akin to you trying to control my life...and besides with being a reporter I'm in danger all the time anyways" Batman has pretty much the same outlook as Lois. While he believes it is wrong to bring someone into his world once they are in that world it is their choice to stay or not. This has been the case with all the Batwomen, Bat-Men, Silver Saintcloud (or whatever her name is), Jezebel Jet, a few others not affiliated with the Batfamily, all but 1 Batgirl (and a robin)... Stephenie Brown he tried to force her to quit for years and he found that ended bad and Vicky Vale he's tried to keep out of the life style more or less over the years. |
Hello, the is Lois Lane reporting at the scene where...BLAM!!!
OMG!!!Lois has been shot! Someone call the cops!
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She's the one being arrogant and selfish. If Superman is forced to choose between Lois and a thousand people on a train, he'll choose her every time.|
Originally Posted by Durakken
I'm beginning to think i'm the only one that has read comics lately...
Back when Clark proposed and revealed himself to be Clark shortly after some stuff happened and he broke it off for exactly these types of reasons... Lois's response... "Stop being so arrogant. It is my decision to put myself in this danger and for you to not let me take this risk is akin to you trying to control my life...and besides with being a reporter I'm in danger all the time anyways" |
I don't read many comics from either DC or Marvel these days because they've screwed them up so badly in recent years. I did read Batman and Robin which, while competently written and nicely drawn, was just not very interesting overall.
DC relaunching everything is dumbness. Throwing out the continuity will likely get a lot of non-comics readers collecting the numerous Issue 1s, so DC will crow about that, but sales will just drop off back to normal. If they do damage to the characters in the reboot, it will be like One More Day where Spider-Man's sales took a hit, and they'll backpedal within a year or two.
read Red 5 Comics. Those are some good, fun books. Especially Atomic Robo.
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Don't completely agree with your DC assessment. Wanted to say that IDW publishes some wonderful books that put Marvel and DC to shame.
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Originally Posted by Ironik
She's the one being arrogant and selfish. If Superman is forced to choose between Lois and a thousand people on a train, he'll choose her every time.
I don't read many comics from either DC or Marvel these days because they've screwed them up so badly in recent years. I did read Batman and Robin which, while competently written and nicely drawn, was just not very interesting overall. DC relaunching everything is dumbness. Throwing out the continuity will likely get a lot of non-comics readers collecting the numerous Issue 1s, so DC will crow about that, but sales will just drop off back to normal. If they do damage to the characters in the reboot, it will be like One More Day where Spider-Man's sales took a hit, and they'll backpedal within a year or two. read Red 5 Comics. Those are some good, fun books. Especially Atomic Robo. |
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How's this for a relaunch (j/k) :
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Originally Posted by BlackSun17
How's this for a relaunch (j/k) :
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I'd buy that book.
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Originally Posted by BlackSun17
How's this for a relaunch (j/k) :
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That is batgirl on the drums.
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There are only two things I disagree with regarding this relaunch; a new Action Comics #1 and a new Detective Comics #1.
Sadly, they are on their way. Here is the cover to the new Detective Comics #1:
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Reason for the reboot from DC: To gain new readers by offering comics, characters, and stories unburdened by a massive amount of continuity and backlog
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Maybe it's just me to which this statement makes no sense.....I was born in 1984, and DC Comics existed when my late grandparents were children. I had no problem jumping into DC or Marvel, despite decades of backlog and continuity.
If people weren't buying comics before this, even if they know who Batman and Superman are, what is going to make them start now?
And personal nitpick: This reboot completely negates Blackest Night and Brightest Day.
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This is what always bugs me. I keep hearing people talking about how new readers are so confused by the continuity.|
Originally Posted by Nightphall
Maybe it's just me to which this statement makes no sense.....I was born in 1984, and DC Comics existed when my late grandparents were children. I had no problem jumping into DC or Marvel, despite decades of backlog and continuity.
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I read comics VERY sporadically in my younger days and only started actually following books in... late middle school/early high school. Even then, I stuck with Marvel. Mainly X-Men. Sure, there were things now and then that I didn't know the history of, but nothing that really bothered me. I'd just think "oh, that musta happened before", shrug, and go on reading.
Same story with DC when I got into a couple of their series. Missing a few references to past events never phased me. And as the internet became more prevalent, the entire thing became a moot issue. Anything I was really interested in was a quick wiki-search away.
But even then, I hardly ever bothered to go and look it up. And even when I did, it was just for personal interest and not cause I felt I needed it to understand the story.
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I got into DC after Crisis on Infinite Earths happened and John Byrne took over Superman. This was the 'gateway' that got me into other DC properties.
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Originally Posted by Nightphall
Reason for the reboot from DC: To gain new readers by offering comics, characters, and stories unburdened by a massive amount of continuity and backlog
?!?! Maybe it's just me to which this statement makes no sense.....I was born in 1984, and DC Comics existed when my late grandparents were children. I had no problem jumping into DC or Marvel, despite decades of backlog and continuity. If people weren't buying comics before this, even if they know who Batman and Superman are, what is going to make them start now? And personal nitpick: This reboot completely negates Blackest Night and Brightest Day. |
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Courtesy of Bleeding Cool, here is the updated list of the 52 DC titles that are coming out in September's 'relaunch':
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Originally Posted by Bleeding Cool
So, what do we know about upcoming DC books in September (I’ll count JLA #1 for completeness sake, even though it’s a week early,) Red is still a Bleeding Cool rumour. Green is a confirmed Bleeding Cool rumour. Blue is a CBR rumour. Black is a straight confirmation.
1. JLA#1 by Geoff Johns and Jim Lee 2. Action Comics #1 by Grant Morrison and Rags Morales 3. Superman #1 by George Pérez 4. Superboy #1 by Scott Lobdell and… 5. Batman #1 by Scott Snyder and Greg Capullo. 6. Detective Comics #1 by Tony Daniel 7. Batgirl #1 by Gail Simone, Ardian Syaf and Vicente Cifuentes. 8. Batwoman #1 by J.H. Williams III, Haden Blackman and Amy Reeder 9. Catwoman #1 by Judd Winick and Guillem March 10. Red Robin And The Outlaws #1 by Scott Lobdell and Kenneth Rocafort 11. Batwing #1 by Judd Winick and Ben Oliver 12. Nightwing #1 by Kyle Higgins and Eddy Barrows 13. Batman And Robin #1 by Peter Tomasi and Patrick Gleason 14. Adventure Comics DC Universe Presents #1 by Paul Jenkins and Bernard Chang 15. Green Lantern #1 by Geoff Johns, Doug Mahnke and Christian Alamy. 16. Green Lantern Corps #1 by Peter J. Tomasi, Fernando Pasarin and Scott Hanna 17. Green Lanterns: New Guardians #1 by Tony Bedard, Tyler Kirkham and Batt. 18. Red Lanterns #1 by Peter Milligan, Ed Benes and Rob Hunter. 19. Animal Man #1 by Jeff Lemire and… 20. Swamp Thing #1 21. Legion Lost #1 by … and Chris Batista? 22. Birds Of Prey #1 by Duane Swierczynski and Jesus Saiz 23. Teen Titans #1 by Fabian Nicieza Scott Lobdell, Brett Booth and Norm Rapmund 24. Savage Hawkman #1 by James Robinson Tony Daniel and Philip Tan 25. My Greatest Adventure #1 by Kevin Macguire andAaron Lopresti (possibly for October) 26. Supergirl #1 by Brian Wood 27. Wonder Woman #1 by Brian Azzarello #1 and Cliff Chiang 28. Fury Of Firestorm #1 by Brian Clevinger Gail Simone, Ethan Van Sciver and Yildiray Cinar. 29. Aquaman #1 by Geoff Johns and Ivan Reis 30. Mr Terrific #1 by Eric Wallace and Roger Robinson 31. Flash #1 by Brian Buccellato and Francis Manapul 32. Green Arrow #1 by JT Krul and Dan Jurgens 33. Justice League International #1 by Dan Jurgens and Aaron Lopresti 34. Captain Atom #1 by JT Krul and Freddie Williams II 35. Grifter #1 36. Unnamed Legion book by … and Chris Batista? 37. OMAC #1 by Dan DiDio and Keith Giffen 38. Batman: The Dark Knight #1 by David Finch 39. Vigilante #1 by Darwyn Cooke? 40. Justice Society of America #1 41. 42. 43. 44. 45. 46. 47. 48. 49. 50. 51. 52. A number are clearly suspect – Chris Batista can only draw one Legion bok, the Vigilante project may be for a different project, possibly an anthology like DC Universe Presents, and My Greatest Adventure could be for October. But it’s a start. This page will update, so keep coming back! |
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So Firestorm is still Ronnie & Jason, right? Or is the reboot bringing the Professor back and having him & Ronnie be ol' flamehair again?
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Originally Posted by BlackSun17
Courtesy of Bleeding Cool, here is the updated list of the 52 DC titles that are coming out in September's 'relaunch':
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| 10. Red Robin And The Outlaws #1 by Scott Lobdell and Kenneth Rocafort |
I tend to think that Bleeding Cool got it wrong. And still no news on Tim Drake/Red Robin.
Oh, and do you think you could change your text color there? Kinda hard to read
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it depends... Tim recently got put with a new team on top of the titans, so it could be a follow up on that.
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Originally Posted by Samothrake
Either they got this wrong, or both Newsarama and IGN got the title wrong. 'Cause both IGN and Newsarama has that title as Red Hood and the Outlaws.
I tend to think that Bleeding Cool got it wrong. And still no news on Tim Drake/Red Robin. Oh, and do you think you could change your text color there? Kinda hard to read |
Soooo.... Marvel had Spidey make a deal with the devil (actually Mary Jane) to remove the marriage. To top them DC reboots the universe.... Sorry not paying for more Lois and Clark tension. The build up to the marriage was great and the story has been done in two television shows. For me the Big Two have settled in for pushing the next big movie and resetting the universes to make the movie going public less timid about starting their collections. For the fans that have been with them over the years... It just feels like we are being left out. For me it's time to bid the two universes farewell. I will still support DC's animated projects (Goooo Young Justice!) and Marvel's big Avengers movie momentum, but as for what I grew up collecting... I just remember the upper left corner of Marvel Team-up 150 with Spidey walking into the sunset. I think it's time for me to do that and keep my memories of what was in place.