All Things Art - FX Edition


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Hey dudes and gals,

For those who don’t already know me, I’m Leo. I have been an FX Artist here at Paragon Studios for just over a year. Some of you may wonder, “Why Honey
Badger?”

I begrudgingly took this red-name after a failed joke I made during one of the weekly USTREAM “Coffee Talk” sessions. Players on the chat box were joking with my partner in crime, Tunnel Rat, about what my red name might be. When some ridiculous animal names started cropping up, I threw out the honey badger as a joke, knowing how the memory of that internet clip would make her crack up on camera. Little did I know that it would stick and that YOU PEOPLE WOULD NEVER LET IT DIE THEREAFTER. AAAARRRGHH!!!



…ok, it’s kinda funny. Whatever.



Anyhow, I am posting to announce that I am gonna be helping out the Tunnel Rat with answering queries on this thread. It has been quite an experience reading your suggestions, and an even bigger thrill to be able to fulfill some of
‘em! I wish to continue this tradition, and welcome any suggestions for new Auras, Emotes, Costume Change Emotes… hell, anything we can feasibly do with VFX is game here. Specifically the Aura part. I don’t care how dumb it sounds, it might spark an idea for something we could possibly do. I mean it! I need MOAR! GIMMEH MOAR! MOOOOOOAAAAARRR!

…ahem…


That’s it, I gotta get back to work.



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Couple ideas:

Lightbulb-over-the-head.

Attacks in the form of waves or tendrils of energy.

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Thanks for the warm welcome. Already I’m seeing several new ideas that sound intriguing! I have a few things I’d like to mention in no particular order:

-I have been following this thread from beyond its inception. No need to re-post your previous requests to Tunnel Rat, I assure you I’ve seen it! **COUGH** power pool customization **COUGH**!

-There is a definite distinction between auras and costume pieces. So something like glowing bones is a neat idea, but if we were to do it with fx, it would end up looking like the Donnie Darko skeleton t-shirt print. I’d recommend passing that over to a character art thread combined with a reference image(s). Same goes for inner eye glows, glowing costume pieces, costume textures, and chest decals. These are not part of the FX pipeline, they are for Character Artists.

-Lord_Kalistoh: Female Eye auras, which ones are offset wrong? Please elaborate, there are many.

-Alternate FX for legacy powers: we’re looking into this. Trust me, we’d love to do this too!
I'm going to take your mention of power pool customization as a promise that we will see power pool customization before the year is out however irrational that sounds!

In all seriousness I am glad that particular issue is whirling around the mind of someone on the dev team. It's long overdue and I daresay every single player right now will sing your praises if you can make it happen soon... and not "trademark devspeak soon" but reality soon. no pressure!


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A thing that I would love, seeing as I have several characters with just one eye, is individual eye aura powers (Say Wisps Left Eye Aura, Wisps Eye Aura, Wisps Right Eye Aura).

Otherwise the auras tend to show through eyepatches, and the only ones we have that can do individual eyes are the Cyborg Targeting laser eyes, which don't really fit a necromancer or an empowered ex-IDF soldier.

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Elemental (and not locked behind the Incarnate system please *grumbles about the stone and ice block change) costume changes, like a proper fire one, electricity (We have the lightning one, I was more thinking like a bunch of arcs surging from feet to head before a small burst, revealing the new costume), dark (maybe sinking into a patch of shadows if possible, kind of a reverse ninja leap change) and so on.

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A tech-circuit version of the Victorian aura.

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Higher quality runes on the Rune aura, they're kind of blurry and indistinct, an option to get more defined ones like the Demon Summoning ones would be nice.


 

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Posted the inner eye glow thing in the All Things Art, then.

Costume change emote ideas:
Where we turn into a statue then bust out in a shower of dust, similar to ice block.

A "digitized" change where we pixilate and reform with the new costume.

A tornado or water spout.

A blooming flower, a'la Audrey II, or growing tangle of vines that end with withering.


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I have been following this thread from beyond its inception. No need to re-post your previous requests to Tunnel Rat, I assure you I’ve seen it! **COUGH** power pool customization **COUGH**!
Heh. Really I think people ought to be bugging the UI designers rather than the FX artists on that one anyway.

Just my hunch based on how many new character and environment FX we've seen lately versus, well, anything on the UI side.


 

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I'm not sure if I have mentioned this here before, but here's a thought...
The Retro-SciFi Pack's bubble helmet makes this a little more relevant now.

What about a bubble around the head aura?
I could see taking that and going with a full array of aura options, but a head bubble could be a great way to allow a character with full detail 1 and 2 head options to still have some sort of transparent helmet/bubble thingy on their head.

It could also be used as some sort of energy field thing or an air bubble (or maybe a water bubble for aquatic characters on land).

Just a thought!


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-There is a definite distinction between auras and costume pieces. So something like glowing bones is a neat idea, but if we were to do it with fx, it would end up looking like the Donnie Darko skeleton t-shirt print. I’d recommend passing that over to a character art thread combined with a reference image(s). Same goes for inner eye glows, glowing costume pieces, costume textures, and chest decals. These are not part of the FX pipeline, they are for Character Artists.
Where do CCEmotes fall? I ask because the timing of the Peacebringer CCEmote is really, really delayed when hovering/flying. It has been ever since it debuted on test years ago. It would be really nice to be able to use that emote while hovering/flying, so if you could point me to the right thread/person/whatnot where I should bring up this issue, it would be swell.

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Where does the question of "aura-only body parts" stand, then? By this I mean, for instance, an option for Robotic Arms that doesn't have any 3D mesh or texturing - no arm model at all - and is represented only by a effect. Gaming is full of concepts like these, such as a very familiar type of meteorite demon that's essentially rocks connected by green fire into a humanoid body.

On the one hand, it IS a costume part since it messes with the 3D mesh, but on the other hand, it shouldn't require much 3D art, should it? What would be involved in giving us aura arms or aura upper legs? Or an aura head, why not?


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I wish to continue this tradition, and welcome any suggestions for new Auras, Emotes, Costume Change Emotes… hell, anything we can feasibly do with VFX is game here. Specifically the Aura part. I don’t care how dumb it sounds, it might spark an idea for something we could possibly do. I mean it! I need MOAR! GIMMEH MOAR! MOOOOOOAAAAARRR!
How about a "melting" Costume Change Emote, where your character melts into a puddle, then reforms in their new costume?

Or maybe a "thorny" Aura, where thorns sprout randomly out of your body, then slowly recede before sprouting again in a different location?


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How about a "melting" Costume Change Emote, where your character melts into a puddle, then reforms in their new costume?
I think at one point I saw a dev or CR use a teleport styled somewhat like this in game at a point, or rather being "swallowed" by a pink glob and reappearring elsewhere.

Still have no idea what it was, but can we have it?


 

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Thanks for the warm welcome. Already I’m seeing several new ideas that sound intriguing! I have a few things I’d like to mention in no particular order:

-I have been following this thread from beyond its inception. No need to re-post your previous requests to Tunnel Rat, I assure you I’ve seen it! **COUGH** power pool customization **COUGH**!

-There is a definite distinction between auras and costume pieces. So something like glowing bones is a neat idea, but if we were to do it with fx, it would end up looking like the Donnie Darko skeleton t-shirt print. I’d recommend passing that over to a character art thread combined with a reference image(s). Same goes for inner eye glows, glowing costume pieces, costume textures, and chest decals. These are not part of the FX pipeline, they are for Character Artists.

-Lord_Kalistoh: Female Eye auras, which ones are offset wrong? Please elaborate, there are many.

-Alternate FX for legacy powers: we’re looking into this. Trust me, we’d love to do this too!
Well, most of the auras are more or less off. Some are ok if you stand still, going of if you go into combat animation; other are off no matter what:

Alpha

Atomic (not too much off, this is tolerable)

Beast Rage

Bioplasma

Celestial

Electricity

Fiery

Omega

Runes

Tarot

Thunderhead

Toxic vapor


Peacebringer power auras (this is the worst of all)



Warshade power auras (this is hard to notice due to the dark colors, but if you use the "eye laser" you can see the rays and the eye aura don't have the same origin)




 

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Personally I think that each of the power sets (that have distinctive VFX) should have a costume change emote. For exampel the "Evil laugh emote is ok, but we could really do with a full "flame on!" style VFX

Before you say "Ok, but that's a lot of work" What I'm suggesting is take the most iconic VFX from each set (Often the nuke on blast sets) and simply add the body covering glow/whiteout that many of the existing CCE's use.

More importantly how about making the VFX for future powers while thinking about what you could reuse for a CCE such that you get a CCE with the powerset when you buy it (if it's for sale) For example the Time Stop target-VFX would make a great CCE for Time Manipulation.

A generic gadget animation could service all the projectile weapon powersets. And a "holding your weapon in front of you" type animation would server for most of the melee weaponsets (Which isn't VFX I admit but I was just completing the thought)

Also, I understand changing all the current Auras to support two colours is unlikely but that doesn't mean that the aura slot shouldn't allow two colours at all... it would make porting power VFX much easier and make future auras much nicer so please badger your code monkey(s) on our behalf.


 

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Cyborg Aura: A.C.C.A.H.U.D.


Could this "sort of thing" be ... extended ... into being a Full Body Hologram "armor" using the body layer tech that Victorian Decor is made from? Basically making a "high tech" sort of Victorian Decor that holographically projects "body armor" around the entire body, when In Combat?


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NRG being optic, or any of the blast sets really.

Or from the chest.

Is this the wrong thread for these???? Maybe?


 

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Cyborg Aura: A.C.C.A.H.U.D.


Could this "sort of thing" be ... extended ... into being a Full Body Hologram "armor" using the body layer tech that Victorian Decor is made from? Basically making a "high tech" sort of Victorian Decor that holographically projects "body armor" around the entire body, when In Combat?
I like this idea.


 

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Cyborg Aura: A.C.C.A.H.U.D.


Could this "sort of thing" be ... extended ... into being a Full Body Hologram "armor" using the body layer tech that Victorian Decor is made from? Basically making a "high tech" sort of Victorian Decor that holographically projects "body armor" around the entire body, when In Combat?
This is a great idea!


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If wings are any indication the game has a clear idea of who is hovering/flying and who is not. Could you take existing elemental effects and form flying auras for characters bottom halves? Ideally the legs would disappear for this, but if that's not reasonable you could just make the effects really big!


1) Little or no costume designer people
Simple 'when flying' auras that cover the legs and waist. Fire ball and trail over the legs completely obscuring them, large stormy cloud that's very wide at the waist and tapers down like you're sitting in it or it is your bottom half, with a trail of falling water, lighter clouds with falling snow and icicles. A super fast moving swarm of flies, bees, bats, tarot cards, rocks and earth, etc.



2) + Costume Designer People LIGHT
Step carefully around their toes and create additional auras for the BACK ITEM slot which go around the waste, just under the belt line. Again, using existing effects, form simple disks/thin cylinders that begin at the core of the model and go outward (one size fits all, clipping is fine for FX right!?) placed around the waste line just below the belt. Spinning tarot cards or bats, fire, darkness, electricity, storm cloud. etc etc etc. (Option on each: on all the time or only when flying.)

Having this along with #1 above, would let people fit builds with combinations of the aura and back item slots. A smokey colored storm cloud with fire above it, a mass of bats swirling around, with a darkness waste line would look like you were turning into bats. A wash of tarot cards moving you through the air with a border of magically purple electricity.

Mix and match ftw!



3) + Costume Designer People HEAVY
Legs (or lack there of) option where you have:

A) some choice of a 'lower body' option A jet engine looking tech lower body, a long flowing robe that is empty within, a steampunky series of spinning blades giving a helicopter type effect or just a long metal/matte colored pole with a ball on the end w/ or w/out rings (like a big sci-fi set widget).

B) A choice of effect. Have your steampunky copter bottom covered in light fluffy clouds, billowing with smoke, emitting radiation, or on fire and very likely to crash! Your jet engine holds up your weight by blowing jets of air, fire, or even water? Or you are lifted and propelled by that sci-fi looking apparatus crackling with electricity, or swirling with insects.















Granted #3 leaves behind requiring flight, but they would also look fine just hovering.
... too much?




 

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I was told this was the thread to post this, so I will copy the contents of my post in Suggestions&Ideas here -

Some things I caught NPCs doing, that I somehow can't:


Reclining Crey agent and curled-up Longbow member!


Midnighters sitting down while drinking tea! Also caught another Midnighter with a version of the drink emote where he was just holding the cup, and not drinking from it, but still images don't get the point across for that.

And there's always Bobcat...

...whose emote is her only signature "costume part" instead of actually giving her a unique appearance, which was lazy and should not have happened. A long shot, but would be nice to have this pose available...

Seriously, the animations already exist, so can we players please have at least the first several things even if the devs decide Bobcat is the only one allowed to recline languidly on a sofa?


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Afterthought:
Isn't it time 'eye auras' were their own thing in the list for head options?
Right above Detail 1 in the list IMHO.


 

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Afterthought:
Isn't it time 'eye auras' were their own thing in the list for head options?
Right above Detail 1 in the list IMHO.
That'd require a new attachment point... so, it's been done, but it's not exactly easy. Would be nice though.


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Oh also - Kirby dots aura please. We already have Kirby Dots Blast and Kirby Dots Melee* so how about a glowing aura costume part that emits dots like that?



*or at least I assume that's what the polka-dots in the Energy powersets are based on


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Here's some ideas I would like to see...

Emotes -

1. How about a variation of the floatbooks emote but for tech, floating transparent screens of information appearing around the character, maybe they can interactw ith the screens sliding them about a little for the idle animation.

2. Character places a small projector device on the ground and it projects a grainy holographic image of a generic body-type in the air that slowly rotates as the character studies it. Alternatively they hold the projector in the flat of there hand.

Costume Change -

1. Some sort of more tech based effects such as a "transform" version where parts of the character flip out and around and settle back in to the new costume. I figure if you did something like the fractal "Transformer Pretender" skin change from Revenge of the Fallen you should be able to avoid the issue of not being able to replicate all the personalized costume pieces breaking up.

2. Much easier than the last a sort of "beamed in" effect. The character taps a wrist control and a glow appears at say chest height it spreads out to include the entire body then fades and your in the new outfit. There's a few variations you could do for this like the character sticking there hands in the air and the glow moving down over them etc

3. Similar to the above but a bit more complex. A crate falls from the sky and deploys a little pad the character steps on then there is an effect like the Vanguard magic circle that raises up over the character and in a flash your stepping back off the platform in a new outfit.

4. Some sort of "armoured up" deal where a series of robot arms pop up from the ground and enclose the character in a tube/sarcophagus/iron maiden of some kind when the fall away you're in the new outfit.

Aura's -

1. As mentioned in a post above how about a full body holographic aura similar to a hybrid of Victorian Decor and ACCHUD. but persistent without the fading motion. Combat and out of combat versions of course.

2. More chest only options. I was looking through all the auras for some sort of "there's a hole-in-my-chest" aura to use and aside from Alpha I couldn't see any. Plenty of body aura type but none that are chest only, please all in some more options to this.

3. Flight path aura's or at least some sort of trigger on fly effect like the rocket boots jets so we can use a similar effect for things like the Enforcer and Imperial Defense sets, the both look like they have rocket ports on the bottom of the parts.

And finally whats the go with the flypose emotes whose department do they fall under for seeing some variations?

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Just to add my 2 inf ... Hasten & Superspeed ! No effect (first choice), Minimal effect (2nd choice).


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