Would You Be Willing to Delay the Lore Slot to Change the Pets?

All I'd need is a Doppleganger pet.

Quality over quantity in terms of how many Incarnate levels I'd say.

Quantity over quality (usually) for customisation.

I have been hoping for a while that some variation of the Trapdoor/Neuron/some other bosses' ability to spawn clones was going to be an incarnate ability. I was pretty bummed when the lore slot didn't turn out to be that.

To OP: yes yes I would.

Personally since we are summoning a pet granted by the well I'd rather have the power randomly summon a boss class pet from any lvl50 enemy group. It'd be like the Secondary Mutation or Mystic Fortune power, sure you get good stuff but there is bad mixed in to balance out the good.

Clones are never a good idea. Either they are the opposite alignment to you and foil your plans or they get tired of you bossing them around. There is also the problem of out of control cloning and determining what to do with them. Might be fun for a villain as target practice, but heroes have a harder time with disposal. Creating secret identities, making sure they are O.K. in their new life, and other tedious tasks give heroes less time to do actual heroics. Quantum duplicates are usually just as bad since you have ripped them away from their own lives. Unless you have complete control over each clone, then it is a complete waste of time.

I'm a massive theme player, and there's only like 3 of my 80 characters that the current options fit with dramatically. It would fit better if we had some kinda general robot or elemental or something.

Just stumbled on this, and let me join the crowd in saying NO to the praetorian pets. Am I willing to wait YES.

I do not like the current storyline being tied so closely with Praetoria. I am willing to put up with it but I do not like it. Tyrant had better not be the big bad of the game. We the subscribers deserve better than an alternate dimension Statesman as the big bad. The storyline for the Incarnate content does not feel epic. It feels like we are dealing with another Reichsman this time with a better Evil HR Department. The missions and task forces so far have been fairly good mostly because they have different mechanics and can be done in a short amount of time. The one exception was the very first mission of the incarnate arc which was epic and still exists almost like a promise that better storylines await once the current obsession with Praetoria is finished.

My hope is that we are being set up for a twist change in the storyline. Something like - Tyrant was trying to conquer our dimension because it would be a better place to make a stand against the Coming Storm. About the time we beat Tyrant, whatever the Coming Storm is arrives/breaks free/is set in motion/whatever fits whatever it is and we all find out that the Well set us against Tyrant in order to make all of us strong enough to stand against what is Coming. Sadly we haven't gotten as powerful as we needed to and so we escape Praetoria just before the Coming Storm wipes it out. The Coming Storm's next target is the Rikti Homeworld and so we go to try and save it. We succeed but that draws the attenntion of the Coming Storm to our home dimension. As part of It's assault on our home dimension it attacks Ouroboros. Since the Menders send themselves back in time it attacks them far in the future hoping that we cannot interfere. Mender Ramiel sends us to what he terms the first version of Ouroboros. He sends us to right before the attack on Ouroboros where we escape with the other Menders while Ramiel stays behind to cover our escape. The Menders rebuild Ouroboros, the one we know, in a more secure location figuring that since the Storm thinks they've been destroyed it won't look to hard and so they just need to avoid being stumbled upon. We stop the Coming Storm at different points in time(in other words more Trials and TFs) and grow powerful enough that we are at the pinacle of Incarnate power. At this point Ramiel reconfigures a crystal so that we arrive just in time to save him and send him back in time. The final task would be a confrontation that would test the new raid set-up to its fullest.

Of course I want the Coming Storm to be Rularuu and I always will. I could actually flesh that story line out completely using Rularuu but that is better placed in the suggestion forum.

TL DR: No to Praetorian Incarnate Pets, Yes I'm willing to wait for better choices. And for the sake of the game please don't tie all the Incarnate Content to Praetoria. Tyrant does not deserve to be the big bad of this game.

No, I would not be in favor of delaying the Lore slot for new pets.

I would, however, like to see the level shift moved from the Lore slot to, say judgement or interface instead. If not everyone's going to want a pet (ignoring any potential concept clashes) then make it so one of the major points of the incarnate system, the level shift, is in a power that most people will take.

Apologies if this suggestion has already been posed, it's a very long and flamey thread..

I've said it before and I'll say it again: YOU are the Coming Storm. All the echoes in the first incarnate mission talk about how you have misused and gotten drunk on the power of the Well. The Coming Storm is a future where you, the player, have gotten too much power and destroyed everything.

That gives heroes a perfect opportunity to avert the Coming Storm, by learning humility and self-discipline.

...I'm kind of at a loss on how villains will prevent the Coming Storm, but I'm sure the story writers will decide on a motivation for us.

Yes, I would unreservedly support delay of the Lore slot until customization, full or partial, was available. I suppose it's already being argued to death as I speak; but I agree that the specificity of the current Lore slot pets seems to run counter to the spirit of free-flowing creativity that permeates so much of the rest of this game.

I'd prefer to see the four trees be as generic as possible to accommodate a range of concepts, for example:

Arms: Dancing weapons
Drones: Generic tech/robot attack and support drones
Legion: Self-clones
Spirits: Recolorable glowy magic/energy wisps


As the lore slot stands it will be filled last or not at all on my characters, and see little to no use.

Yes, please delay it.

I understand the problems of pet customisation but IMHO there should be at least 5 Groups of pets

Hero side (PPD/Longbow)
Villain side (Arachnos)
Generic Tech (Robots/Cyborgs)
Generic Elemental (Earth/Air/Fire/Water)
Praetorian

All of those models exist, powers really shouldn't be that hard.

If it really is that hard to create config for more pets when they already have the art assets and the powers are already defined then they need better programmers to script their dev tools, preferably something that doesn't involve spreadsheets.