Holy <bleep!>, 48-player teams?!
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Posted on: 2011-02-09 24:50 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Figured they would start disabling nukes in all future content. Kind of a let down but I'm not surprised. Challenge is good I'll say that again.... I know you say you're making these possible with most team builds but don't make them god aweful hard. Its a common thing when teaming with randoms that nukes are sometimes necessary or you just end up wasting time on an unkillable boss.
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Originally Posted by Noyjitat
Challenge is good I'll say that again....
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Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
The only thing missing from this is if the Turnstile and the League system could be made cross-server. It would be nice to have heroes from different dimensions crossing over to fight a common enemy. More importantly, cross-server content would give a big boost to the lower population servers in this game.
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^^^^ This x a billion.
I think I'll like these raids/trials but....the normal times I play the most populated global channel in Liberty sometimes only has 20-40 peeps in it...and really only 10 or so people talk in there....*shrugs*
We'll see I guess
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Please, for all that is good and holy, allow temp travel powers like Ninja Run and the flight packs work. I don't know about anyone else but I've pretty much given up on taking travel powers on most of my toons. I'd really hate (as in *really*) to have to start creating second builds with a travel power just so I can participate effectively in a Trial.
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Originally Posted by Positron
In Incarnate Trials, Temp Powers are disabled as well (we may let a sub-set of temp powers work, but we're still testing).
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Originally Posted by Positron
I'll clarify here for a little perspective.
A league is up to 6 TEAMS of 8 character each team, total of 48 characters. Most (but not all) team-wide buffs/powers remain team-wide, i.e. they only affect the characters who are on your team within the league. In Incarnate Trials, Temp Powers are disabled as well (we may let a sub-set of temp powers work, but we're still testing). The current set of Incarnate Trials max out at 24 characters in the League. 48 character Leagues are still possible for things like Hami and Mothership raid coordination. During the beta and internally, I've seen Leagues "missing vital roles" do just fine in completing the trials. I'm not saying that having those roles fills won't make it easier. Just like anything else in CoH, difficulty can be mitigated significantly with specific team/league make-up. This is no different than how the rest of the game works. |
I'm still not a fan of anything that requires more than a regular team of 8 to do, though.
I'm glad everyone else likes the idea (the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and all that) but it's not for me.
Ninja Run is an inherent.
Also, the mega-team up is a genre staple, and I'm glad we're getting more permanent ones (ie always there when *you* want to do it, as opposed to the random/triggered zone events) besides the Mothership and Hami.
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Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
Dark Watcher and Maria Jenkins aren't meaningful arcs that you can do solo?
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Do you mean with Praetorians or just all the AVs and stuff? The patron arcs usually have plenty of big baddies.
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Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
Redside needs an arc like Maria Jenkins.
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Something that involves running up against the individual members of the Vindicators and Freedom Phalanx would be ideal. Constantly having to fight bad guys with my bad guy breaks my sense of immersion (and that's generally what's involved in most of the Patron Arcs.)
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Originally Posted by Clouded
Do you mean with Praetorians or just all the AVs and stuff? The patron arcs usually have plenty of big baddies.
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Certainly not appealing to me, i hated wow for this and now looks like COH going this way to 
Why are we getting this as this is what made COH more appealing to the casual player was not having these large scale wow style raids. Now i not happy that this has been announced, it certainly seems a big step back for the casual gamer having these epic over clutter ui raids.
And no doubt if you dont do them you will feel left behind, as COH seems to be focused on turning into WoW now for heroes , and that wont keep me playing. Be more likely to drive folks away, i know if the game turs nout that all you do at 50 is 48 man raids then i be offski.
Ahh , i dont know im just not taken with this , early days i guess till see it but i wont be sitting in 48 man teams ever. Ill jsut do without, and in time i guess ill feel so left behind then will proberl lose tyhe urge to play a game that i have been playing and enjoying for the past 7 years.
I wasnt going to buy GR as i designed my toons on concept of them being hero / villian but was forced into getting it jsut for the alpha slot, to keep my toons in line with what the majority was doing but i feel as tho i proberly a minority here as most prob thing that 48 man raids are the way forward for a game that has opted not to do that route for its user base for so long only now to decide we cant thing of any other orginal idea for a mmo game then to get loads of you together to take on a mission that takes 48 coordianted bodies to take down one mob
Teams of 4- 8 have always been more enjoyable in my book then the enmass raid system of wow and other mmos , sad times now that COH is also to do this
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By "but not all" are you by chance referring to those powers that got their target cap increased to 255 targets fairly recently? |
Originally Posted by Positron
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Most (but not all) team-wide buffs/powers remain team-wide, i.e. they only affect the characters who are on your team within the league. |
If I recall correctly, that was done to make those powers more useful during Ship Raids and Invasions. It would be nice if that 255 target cap carried over to the Trials as well.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Number One: Casual and solo/small-team are not synonymous. The trials are expected to be short, on the order of 30-60 minutes. That's casual but not solo. Farmers frequently trick their characters out so they can plow through +2/x8 content for money and drops. That's solo but not casual. Don't confuse the two.|
Originally Posted by Snow
Why are we getting this as this is what made COH more appealing to the casual player was not having these large scale wow style raids. Now i not happy that this has been announced, it certainly seems a big step back for the casual gamer having these epic over clutter ui raids.
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Number Two: City of Heroes has always had bigger groups than WoW. WoW does 5 people max per group, City allows a whole 8 people. City's always dealt in bigger numbers.
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Thirdly, the new stuff, as Posi *just* said are NOT 48 man affairs...they cap out at 24. And really, just because they added something vaguely similar to what the Gorilla has doesn't mean that the devs are trying to emulate them, or that what we are getting is going to be remotely similar.
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Originally Posted by Bosstone
Number One: Casual and solo/small-team are not synonymous. The trials are expected to be short, on the order of 30-60 minutes. That's casual but not solo. Farmers frequently trick their characters out so they can plow through +2/x8 content for money and drops. That's solo but not casual. Don't confuse the two.
Number Two: City of Heroes has always had bigger groups than WoW. WoW does 5 people max per group, City allows a whole 8 people. City's always dealt in bigger numbers. |
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Like the contact that makes you fight Ms Liberty twice, and up to 4 Vindicators on the same map? I forget her name, I think she's standing next to mage killer zukara or whatever her name is.
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Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
Something that involves running up against the individual members of the Vindicators and Freedom Phalanx would be ideal. Constantly having to fight bad guys with my bad guy breaks my sense of immersion (and that's generally what's involved in most of the Patron Arcs.)
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Like the contact that makes you fight Ms Liberty twice, and up to 4 Vindicators on the same map? I forget her name, I think she's standing next to mage killer zukara or whatever her name is.
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The target cap is independent of the fact that some buffs affect everyone on your faction (i.e. Accelerate Metabolism) and some affect only people directly on your team (i.e. Grant Invisibility). Positron may be implying that some powers currently set to only affect Teammates may be set to affect an entire League while in a trial or raid. Or he might just be hedging his statement.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
By "but not all" are you by chance referring to those powers that got their target cap increased to 255 targets fairly recently?
If I recall correctly, that was done to make those powers more useful during Ship Raids and Invasions. It would be nice if that 255 target cap carried over to the Trials as well. |
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Hyperbole. As with everything else CoX, the League thing is optional. They'll be lots of teams that refuse to League. And there will be those less common situations (Hami Raids and Mothership Raids) where the League option might be quite useful. But still optional.|
Originally Posted by Snow
Certainly not appealing to me, i hated wow for this and now looks like COH going this way to
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Edit: Okay, Incarnate Trials have a minimum quantity of players requirements. That kinda means you HAVE to League to play them. I should have read further before I commented.
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The funny thing here, for me, is that the Gorilla has moved largely towards 5- and 10-person content; the 20- and 40-person days are long past.
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Originally Posted by Furio
Thirdly, the new stuff, as Posi *just* said are NOT 48 man affairs...they cap out at 24. And really, just because they added something vaguely similar to what the Gorilla has doesn't mean that the devs are trying to emulate them, or that what we are getting is going to be remotely similar.
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Which is hugely different from CoH doing 8 and 12 man raids how? Just because the system allows for 48 players doesn't mean they're going to require that many for all or even a majority of the trails.
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Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
The funny thing here, for me, is that the Gorilla has moved largely towards 5- and 10-person content; the 20- and 40-person days are long past.
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And it's not like we didn't have "mega team" content already. They've just added QoL stuff to make starting and managing said mega team content easier, and some more content.
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Originally Posted by Shadow State
Which is hugely different from CoH doing 8 and 12 man raids how? Just because the system allows for 48 players doesn't mean they're going to require that many for all or even a majority of the trails.
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This isn't that hard. I admit I was wrong.
This could end up being even easier than ANY of the other trials if we get the coordination down.
The Leagues interface needs work though.
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I'll clarify here for a little perspective.
A league is up to 6 TEAMS of 8 character each team, total of 48 characters.
Most (but not all) team-wide buffs/powers remain team-wide, i.e. they only affect the characters who are on your team within the league.
In Incarnate Trials, Temp Powers are disabled as well (we may let a sub-set of temp powers work, but we're still testing).
The current set of Incarnate Trials max out at 24 characters in the League. 48 character Leagues are still possible for things like Hami and Mothership raid coordination.
During the beta and internally, I've seen Leagues "missing vital roles" do just fine in completing the trials. I'm not saying that having those roles fills won't make it easier. Just like anything else in CoH, difficulty can be mitigated significantly with specific team/league make-up. This is no different than how the rest of the game works.
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