First Look, ThunderCats Reboot
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Posted on: 2011-01-25 18:31 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
I'd really like to see either a new pirates of dark water series, a live action series, or a movie.
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On the contrary, I think all the ones he listed we're that bad. Doesn't mean they were perfect.|
Originally Posted by Mega_Jamie
Really? You've got atleast 1 on your list right there.
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I think we DO see a lot of stuff from the 80s with rose-colored glasses. Watching them now just shows how . . . not good they were. Alot of them were blatantly setup to keep selling toys forever and ever and ever and ever . . .
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ugh...was it really so hard to draw clothes for the others?
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Originally Posted by Ironik
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Yeah. That was pretty bad.|
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Did anyone else notice the "bottom of the underwear pants-line" without them actually wearing any pants?
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Yes, I did. I wonder why they did that.|
Originally Posted by Hallowed
Yeah. That was pretty bad.
Did anyone else notice the "bottom of the underwear pants-line" without them actually wearing any pants? |
And why did they have boots on when they didn't wear anything else?
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Originally Posted by Rabid_Metroid
And why did they have boots on when they didn't wear anything else?
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I'd be right on board with those two. Loved those two shows when I was a kid.
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Originally Posted by Beastyle
Reboot Bionic Six. Reboot M.A.S.K.
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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
On the contrary, I think all the ones he listed we're that bad. Doesn't mean they were perfect.
I think we DO see a lot of stuff from the 80s with rose-colored glasses. Watching them now just shows how . . . not good they were. Alot of them were blatantly setup to keep selling toys forever and ever and ever and ever . . . |
watching the Transformers now (I have the '86 movie in 6 different formats, so yeah) theres alot of animation errors and things like that, but theres a soul to it that doesn't come across in the new transformers stuff, and believe me, I give them all a chance.
Plus theres a dumping on the source inspiration, such as a characters personality.
Now with transformers if you look at Grimlock there were 2 different itterations of him at once.
1) The UK comic run, which potrayed Grimlock as a sensible, inteligent leader in contention with Prime.
2) US TV Grimlock, which showed an easily manipulated moron.
Why, because both were coming out at once, and the UK was translating comics before the cartoon was getting done in the states.
But now you've got these staple characters, and theres no reason not to follow their personalities.
As an example;
new iterations of Iron Hide no longer show the sensible war veteran, the right hand man of prime, friend and trusted ally.
instead he is the rebelious youth, naive and almost human in his lack of understanding of how things have worked in this eons long battle.
Wait? Thats Hot Rods' job?
Nope, hes hanging about as Rodimus, the name change shouldn't happen until he becomes Prime, and he barely fitters into Iron hides old role?
Whats with that?
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What? No Galaxy Rangers?
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Originally Posted by Beastyle
He-Man and the Masters of the Universe (2002)
Transformers Animated TMNT GI Joe: Resolute My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic I'm hard-pressed to think of a single instance where an 80s cartoon property was rebooted and it wasn't handled with care--and, dare I say it, sometimes came out a lot better than the source material. The people who reboot these shows, thus far, obviously have a lot of love for these series and have done right by them. I say, give 'em more. Reboot Centurions. Reboot Bravestarr. Reboot Bionic Six. Reboot M.A.S.K. Reboot Jem--well okay, no, don't reboot Jem. It's too fantastically 80s and it should be left preserved in all its glitz and glam awesomeness. |
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watching the Transformers now (I have the '86 movie in 6 different formats, so yeah) theres alot of animation errors and things like that, but theres a soul to it that doesn't come across in the new transformers stuff, and believe me, I give them all a chance. |
I strongly disagree with your assessment as Transformers has reinvented itself more times than Madonna. They change up stuff every time. Sometimes for the better others for the worse but it never gets stale. even the series I wasn't always crazy about usually had one or two cool ideas added to mythos or a awesome new take a character. (Such as the movieverse Blackout and Barracade are the current definative versions that we'll continue to see in the future as Animated and war for cybertron showed.)
Animated made no more changes than any other series did. In case of the new films the cast was basically lifted straight from G1 in personality for the first film's cast. (Jetfire might have been old but he maintained his two G1 traits of being a turncoat and their taxi service.)
There's always enough staples that get references and enough fanservice along the way even if some of the players get switched around.
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I'd watch it, so long as they kept "No Guts, No Glory" and "Rangers are Forever" as the intro and outro.
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I love No Guts No Glory. I only wish they had given it more verses. It along with the theme to M.A.S.K. around among my favorite 80s show intros
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Transformers Animated was one of those shows that either resonates with fans of the property or completely clashes with them. Personally, I enjoyed the show. And one thing I must say that made me a fan of Transformers Animated forever was that, for 26 years, the Decepticons were bereft of a motto. Everyone knows of Optimus Prime's, "Autobots: transform, and roll out!" but what did the Decepticons get? Nothing, up until animated, when a gravelly-voiced Megatron proclaims, "The Allspark takes precedence over a few insignificant Autobots. Besides...they're not long for this world. DECEPTICONS, TRANSFORM AND RISE UP!" When I heard that, I leapt out of my seat and called everyone I knew. |
Animated Megatron might possibly be the greatest version of Megatorn to date. he actually had plans that worked and I loved the way he considered Optimus Prime beneath him as he never called him by name like Mr Burns does to Homer. Wasn't till Endgame Prime finally brought his A game and impressed even Megatron proving to be a worthy nemesis. (which was funny hearing him call prime a knock off of Ultra magnus haha.)
Anyone put off by the art style or just assumed it was too kiddie was dead wrong as they really missed out. Animated was awesome.
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I grant that they did a really good job here. Though one of the reasons I liked this was that it didn't feel completely anime'd out. I'm not crazy about anime as I've said before. Still I liked this one.|
Originally Posted by Beastyle
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| I'm hard-pressed to think of a single instance where an 80s cartoon property was rebooted and it wasn't handled with care--and, dare I say it, sometimes came out a lot better than the source material. The people who reboot these shows, thus far, obviously have a lot of love for these series and have done right by them. |
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Funny, back in art college my professors emphasized that all good art stems from circles, squares, and triangles.|
Originally Posted by Scythus
Yes it did. Squares, rectangles, and circles with legs and faces is not "good art." If this is what you call "stylized" then I have a few drawings from my childhood that will probably "do it" for you.
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There's a difference between art that is bad because the artist doesn't have skill, and art that doesn't appeal to you but is done skillfully.
There's tons of art that sucks. Look at 90% of DeviantArt. The artists in question are ignorant of anatomy, composition, and don't get why their art looks terrible even though they imitate anime or their favorite comic book artist. It's because they never learned the fundamentals and have their entire artistic experience as tracing and copying other peoples styles.
Then there's art that is heavily stylized, but is skillfully done. These artists DO understand the fundamentals, and many can also draw in more "conventional" styles quite well if they want to. But they've gone through the learning process and have developed their own styles.
I personally have a number of art styles that I can't stand, but I'd never say they "sucked". Merely that I don't like them. I reserve the label of "suck" for the art that really deserves it, due to it being drawn by folks that don't actually understand art.
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That was the best delineation between good and bad art and skill and ignorance that I've ever read. Well said, NinjaPirate.
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Originally Posted by NinjaPirate
Funny, back in art college my professors emphasized that all good art stems from circles, squares, and triangles.
There's a difference between art that is bad because the artist doesn't have skill, and art that doesn't appeal to you but is done skillfully. There's tons of art that sucks. Look at 90% of DeviantArt. The artists in question are ignorant of anatomy, composition, and don't get why their art looks terrible even though they imitate anime or their favorite comic book artist. It's because they never learned the fundamentals and have their entire artistic experience as tracing and copying other peoples styles. Then there's art that is heavily stylized, but is skillfully done. These artists DO understand the fundamentals, and many can also draw in more "conventional" styles quite well if they want to. But they've gone through the learning process and have developed their own styles. I personally have a number of art styles that I can't stand, but I'd never say they "sucked". Merely that I don't like them. I reserve the label of "suck" for the art that really deserves it, due to it being drawn by folks that don't actually understand art. -np |
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It's just too bad that Tartakovsky's stuff looks like it belongs on DeviantArt or Elfwood, otherwise you might have had a point.
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Originally Posted by NinjaPirate
Funny, back in art college my professors emphasized that all good art stems from circles, squares, and triangles.
There's a difference between art that is bad because the artist doesn't have skill, and art that doesn't appeal to you but is done skillfully. There's tons of art that sucks. Look at 90% of DeviantArt. The artists in question are ignorant of anatomy, composition, and don't get why their art looks terrible even though they imitate anime or their favorite comic book artist. It's because they never learned the fundamentals and have their entire artistic experience as tracing and copying other peoples styles. Then there's art that is heavily stylized, but is skillfully done. These artists DO understand the fundamentals, and many can also draw in more "conventional" styles quite well if they want to. But they've gone through the learning process and have developed their own styles. I personally have a number of art styles that I can't stand, but I'd never say they "sucked". Merely that I don't like them. I reserve the label of "suck" for the art that really deserves it, due to it being drawn by folks that don't actually understand art. -np |
Well, everyone's got an opinion, I guess.
The difference between a good artist with a particular style and a bad artist, though - the good artist can generally also do more "conventional" style art, the bad artist... cannot.
Yes, Tartakovsky's art in his cartoons tends to be extremely stylized and minimalist. However, if you really look at it, you realize that he does, in fact, have an understanding of anatomy and composition. His "human" figures have generally correct ratios, spacing, placement, joint structure.
In short, his style is a CHOICE he made, not an expression of his limitations.
I mean, I look at the cubist movement back in the day, and I really can't stand it. At all. But I never say it "sucks". Just that it doesn't appeal to me. If you look at the work of the masters, nonetheless, you can see they actually understand the structure of the things they are drawing or painting - they just present it in a different style.
On the other hand, I will cheerfully tell folks if their art sucks because their skill sucks. And I have, in previous employment as a graphic artist doing hiring.
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I think you're frankly being too apologetic over Tartakovsky's obvious lack of skill to give him some ill deserved reason for his inexplicable fame. Please tell me, how the hell is this... suppose to be a human girl?
It doesn't look any more sophisticated than this.
I find it insulting to my intelligence that you insist that this is art.
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Originally Posted by Scythus
I find it insulting to my intelligence that you insist that this is art.
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They're almost the same "style" and one is drawn by a talentless DeviantArt hack.
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Originally Posted by Cowman
I find it amazing that you posted those two pictures as if it proves some point.
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First off, I'm not a big fan of Tartakovsky's style, even if I can see it's skill.
However, if you honestly cannot see the differences in artistic ability between the two examples you posted, I'm not sure anything I can say will change your mind. But here goes.
The first pic you posted is stylized but technically proficient. The second sucks.
The first is wildly exaggerated. As are most of the characters in PowerPuff Girls. However, it still retains a level of stylistic elegance that the second simply does not. The form and structure flows, for lack of a better term. He understands the use of heavy and light line weights, and the linework itself is smooth and controlled. His proportions, which distorted, are consistent from piece to piece.
I have to imagine that you're not a big fan of John Kricfalusi's work either. That's okay. You're entitled to your opinion.
I'm just pointing out my take on the dividing line between "stylized" art and "bad" art.
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I still don't see the difference. They look practically the same. They might as well be the same.|
Originally Posted by NinjaPirate
First off, I'm not a big fan of Tartakovsky's style, even if I can see it's skill.
However, if you honestly cannot see the differences in artistic ability between the two examples you posted, I'm not sure anything I can say will change your mind. But here goes. The first pic you posted is stylized but technically proficient. The second sucks. The first is wildly exaggerated. As are most of the characters in PowerPuff Girls. However, it still retains a level of stylistic elegance that the second simply does not. The form and structure flows, for lack of a better term. He understands the use of heavy and light line weights, and the linework itself is smooth and controlled. His proportions, which distorted, are consistent from piece to piece. |
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I have yet to see Tartakovsky produce anything on that level.
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Originally Posted by Scythus
I have yet to see Tartakovsky produce anything on that level.
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That's still the same flat Samurai Jack with Liefeldian crosshatching added.
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I'm hard-pressed to think of a single instance where an 80s cartoon property was rebooted and it wasn't handled with care--and, dare I say it, sometimes came out a lot better than the source material. The people who reboot these shows, thus far, obviously have a lot of love for these series and have done right by them.