First Look, ThunderCats Reboot

Awesome.

If you think Liefeld is "awesome."



Liefeldian crosshatching is pretty much: "Let's obliterate all of the negative space to cover up my obvious lack of talent."

Now look at that Kricfalusi painting. He didn't need to crosshatch and obliterate the negative space to produce a good cartoon piece.

You realize that hatching in the Samurai Jack pic is rain, right? Not shadows, like Liefeld uses them for?

Hell, even Liefeld can produce decent work - or at least he used to. Take a look at his very early stuff when he was still a junior up and comer, compare it with his later "star" work. You might swear they were by different artists - his early work was downright "normal" and "decent".

One other thing that comes to mind - one of the big differences between a "good" artist and a "bad" artist is how MANY styles they can do.

Take ten different Tartakovsky characters, and while they all will be wildly exaggerated and stylized, and you can generally tell it's his work, they're mostly exaggerated in different ways.

Samurai Jack does not look like Clone Wars, which does not look like PowerPuff Girls. They all are distinctly different, even if they're all visibly Tartakovsky. And they're all internally consistent within their respective series. Samurai Jack characters all have a certain look, Clone Wars characters have a distinctly different look but are easily identified as being Clone Wars, and so on.

Contrast with a lot of bad artists - many derive their "style" by imitating another artist's style without understanding the structural underpinnings of that other artist's work. And this copied "style" is ALL they can do.



-np

You're kidding, right? There's a lot more crosshatching in that picture than rain. No single spot of negative space was left alone without a shadow or gritty line added to it. Liefeld pulls the same damn crap.

Furthermore, the cartoons you listed look very much the same to me. That black ninja from the video Cowman posted earlier could have easily fit in the Power Puff Girls without any problem. Hell, Power Puff Girls and Dexter's Lab could easily mix and match. Mako could be a friggin' Power Puff villain for chrissake.

That SJ picture has a little hatching around the edges of the shadows. The shadows themselves are solid blacks, and there's some solid greys scattered among the blacks. Very little hatching at all, really.

All the rest of the vertical lines? Rain.

As I said, since you can't see the differences presented, I think there's little I can say that will change your mind.

I'll just leave it with this: Pretty much any given character from those shows, even ones I've never seen or heard of, I can generally immediately peg which show they're from just seeing the artwork. PowerPuff Girls is (as intended) a parody of Anime. Samurai Jack takes a riff from Japanese brush and wood-cut block art. Clone Wars has a slightly Greek look to the art.

But I'm starting to repeat myself, so I'm out.



-np

You may try to continue claim there's a difference, but there isn't. I believe the phrase about wearing blinders comes to mind.

On the one hand, I agree with everything NinjaPirate is saying about art.

On the other hand...

Powerpuff Girls AREN'T Tartarkovsky's design, it was his classmate's Craig McCraken's for crying out loud. "Whoopass Stew", the prototype for PPG must be online somewhere.

But hey, let's not cloud your hate of Tartarkovsky with facts shall we. There must be a few other series whose character design you hate you can wrongly credit him with.

Holy crap....


This is the next "Raphael vs. Wolverine" thread.

good god no...and my thread was productive for once...

lolz