Massively Antisocial-player Online RPG?

I switched that detector off on these boards, when people thought it would be funny to take the piss outta my Grammar; Instead of concentrating on the argument at hand.

Did you report them for elderly abuse?

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow [The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."

Cointext again: "Nearly" isn't all. Did you flunk English class or something?

If you're going to accuse people of flunking English, you should surely ensure no spelling mistakes in your post

For what it's worth, I had no difficulty seeing what was meant. Slavishly adhering to the exact meaning of each word without intuiting the (in rhis case fairly obvious IMO) intended point is failing at English comprehension IMO.

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow [The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."

I don't want to spoil anyone's good time. I simply said I'd have rather the whole arc need to be actually PLAYED before you get the reward from it. And I'd rather it had been like that from the beginning. I do not think it should be changed to be that way after it has already been released.

What's done is done, and it should be left as it is.



Yes and no. If I go to work and find a corner to go to sleep in, I have no right to expect to get paid for doing nothing. Consequences would include not getting paid or possibly losing my job.

I look at auto-completing an arc that gives you a tangible reward much the same way. Except in that case, people can do nothing at all and still collect their reward with no consequences.

No, nothing wrong with not doing Outbreak on every character, because Outbreak does not give any reward you can't get somewhere else just as easily. To me it just looks like another case of people wanting to get something for nothing.



Again, it is giving you a tangible reward that you are not earning when you auto-complete the whole thing. Even the hordes of Fire/Kin farmers are earning their rewards because they are actually running the missions they get them in.

I just have an issue with the trend towards more and more people feeling like they should be handed things without doing anything at all to earn them. Call me old fashioned if you like, but I don't think ANYONE is entitled to something just because they said "I deserve this, now give it to me."

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

In my case it was more along the lines of "If being an Incarnate doesn't do much of anything for me, then it's not worth fighting all those EBs." Fighting Trapdoor is worth the possibility of someday crafting a common buff for the Alpha slot. Maybe. I may only end up crafting a buff on one character, if I keep playing that character fairly regularly, but I have no extra incentive to do that since I won't be doing the TFs. An Alpha buff would allow me to... get through the standard missions slightly faster. Whee.

As it is, I now have the Alpha slot on all 11 of my level 50 characters. If the devs removed the option to auto-complete the last two EB fights, it wouldn't bother me, because I have no real reason to do the arc with future level 50 characters.

People who assume that becoming an Incarnate is a major upgrade for a character are people who plan to continue on with Incarnate activities. For those of us who aren't doing that, becoming an Incarnate is nothing much.

(Now if the devs were to add soloable Incarnate content along with the TFs, the Incarnate system might mean more to me, and I'd be more motivated to fight those EBs.)

Except this isn't a job, and I'm not an employee. I'm a customer, and no matter what rewards I get in the game, I'm not getting them for "nothing", because I'm paying real cash every month just to get in the door.

People play this game for different reasons. Some people want a white-knuckle hardcore challenge, and that's awesome. More power to 'em. Other folks just want to kick back, beat up some bad guys and collect some shinies without stressing out about it. And that's great too. Soloing the STF on +4/x8 doesn't make you a morally better person than someone who cruises through the game on -1/x1 and autocompletes any mission with an EB in it. The point here is to have fun, and as long as someone isn't breaking the EULA or interfering with your play, they're not doing anything "wrong".

You completely missed the point of my analogy there.

At work, I am rewarded for doing something by receiving a paycheck.

In the game, I am rewarded for doing something by receiving experience, influence, merits, recipes, salvage, shards, and now the Alpha slot.

Now, if I chose to go to work and do nothing at all, I probably wouldn't be getting a paycheck. But yet anyone who cares to can auto-complete the entire arc and get the reward that is supposed to be earned by playing through it.

Yes, one is the real world, and one is a video game, I am well aware of the distinction between the two. But getting something for doing nothing is getting something for doing nothing in either case.

In game terms, should you expect to stand around doing nothing and get drops, influence and experience? No, you have to defeat enemies to get those things. The same goes for the arc you unlock the Alpha slot in, you're supposed to get the slot for actually playing the arc, but you can auto-complete most of it and get through it without having to do more than a couple FedEx runs.

I suppose the thing that bothers me about it isn't that you can auto-complete the majority of it. The part that bothers me about it is the people that have the audacity to complain that they have to run ONE mission out of the arc because you can't auto-complete it. And you can't auto-complete it because it contains a choice the computer cannot make for you.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

Not only that, but prior posts in this thread express the sentiment that the devs have specifically done a bad thing that they shouldn't have done because of this one mission that you can't auto-complete.

I mean, this isn't Castle on epic powersets here. (-:

It better be Going Rogue!

This analogy only works if you consider all missions to be unpleasant tasks, and the inf, salvage, etc. is the only reason we go through them. I don't think that's true for most people. We spend a lot of time going through maps and beating up bad guys...if that wasn't fun in and of itself, then the electronic "Monopoly money" we get at the end of the mish wouldn't be worth it. The rewards are not the point; fun is the point, and the drops are bonuses that add to the fun (as well as being a means to facilitate optional side-games like crafting and marketeering).

As I said before, not all missions are created equal. And a while back, the devs (quite wisely, IMHO) realized that letting a single mission be a roadblock to a player's progress -- whether because it was bugged, or too difficult, or just tedious -- was not conducive to fun, and gave us the option to auto-complete it and get on with the game. Sure, theoretically someone could skip their way through the whole game (in extreme slow motion) by auto-completing every 3 days, but anyone who would do that obviously doesn't enjoy the game very much and isn't likely to stick around long anyway. For the rest of us, being able to get past that One Stupid Mission That Drives Us Crazy (we all have one -- mine is "Stop 30 Fir Bolg Entering Door") is a blessing.

"Audacity"? Really? This whole business of "How DARE they?" is what boggles my mind. You go beat up the Honoree, and someone else skips it. You're both happy. Life goes on. Dogs and cats do not start living together. Am I missing some material harm that will occur here?

That's not much of a reason, since that choice has absolutely no effect on your character or the story.

Audacity, as in: They can auto-complete most of the arc, and come to the forums to bitterly complain that they have to actually run one mission out of it. You only HAVE to run ONE mission, and a bunch of people complain that having to run that one mission is unfair. I don't really see that as being much different than someone complaining that they have to actually play the game to have a level 50 character.

And we don't know that the choice you make in that mission won't have future ramifications, such as determining what contact you end up with for future Incarnate content.

As far as my opinion goes:

Do I like that a whole lot of people are getting a reward that I don't feel they've actually earned? No, not really.

Am I foolish enough to think the devs will, or should, change it just because I don't like it? No, not even a little.

I am very well aware of how many people removing the auto-complete option on that arc would piss off, so my dislike is really pretty irrelevant. Even if I did decide to make a big deal out of it and start making posts trying to convince people, I know how far that would get me, and it isn't worth wasting my (or anyone else's) time on.

In terms of things I like and dislike about the game, this is really pretty minor, and it would have remained that way if you hadn't decided to call me out for being spiteful and trying to spoil people's fun, simply because I mentioned that I didn't like something.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

The devs have already added soloable incarnate content.

Do ANY level 50 content with the difficulty at +4. BINGO, solo incarnate content.


Make it Maria's arc if you need it to be Praetoria related.



They've EVEN gone so far as to allow you to get shard drops from nearly all 50+ enemies. So not only is there soloable incarnate content, but you also don't have to team to fill your alpha slot.

But you DID have an Amy and a Shivan, ergo 7 players could and did take down the Honoree.

This is an interesting post that raises some issues not much dealt with. Kudos!

Aha, No.
Because soloing an Empath/Psi Defender, while Im sure is possible for those with way too much time, inf and build prowess, is NOT a doable thing for every poor average joe who also happens to like the power combination while running with a team/friends/both.
So, no. Just no.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Yes. With a Shivan. Which is also attainable solo. Just yes.

No, no, credit where credit is due. It was the pets that took down the Honoree. We just fought a holding action until they arrived on the scene, and then we did what we could to support them. They were the true Heroes.

Unfortunately, they did not survive. Shortly after the battle, they vanished without a trace, their energies depleted, their awesome powers spent at last. Perhaps their efforts are not appreciated by the citizens of Paragon City at large, as you never hear one of them say 'Nice costume, Shivan!' or 'Look, it's Amy! She helped defeat that giant robot!' but we who were there, we puny few, we know that Amy and that Shivan gave their lives to save *all* of us - including you. So, please, do try to show a little respect.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow [The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."

Hmm. So you're saying that once I get my slot filled I should just repeat the same level 50 missions I've done before, but at a higher difficulty to simulate Incarnate content, even though none of that conent has anything to do with Incarnates? I don't know... I think I'd be better off making my own Incarnate arcs in the Mission Architect. I could even just ignore the canon and make up my own versions of what being an Incarnate means. Something to think about, I suppose. It will be a long time before I fill the slot on one of my characters, so I'll have plenty of time to plan some stories. It might not work too well, though, because I can't get more shards from the AE to upgrade my Alpha buffs.