Massively Antisocial-player Online RPG?

What was your team make-up?

You know there is not really a whole lot of Incarnate content at all. Right now there is only the opening arc and 2 taskforces (unless there is more I don't know about). I don't think that qualifies has a lot of content period. Give it time and I am sure more will be added that will satisfy both the team and solo crowd.

My impression has been that all the future Incarnate stuff (with the possible exception of unlocking slots) will be in the form of TFs and raids. But I might be mistaken on that. And if I'm not mistaken, maybe we can talk the devs into adding in some soloable stuff.

There were two tankers (including my electric/ice guy) and a brute, beyond that I don't remember. Everything else in the TF was fine, we just didn't have the damage (or possibly the right debuffs) we needed to put the Honoree out of our misery. We'd get him down to maybe 1/4 health and then he'd just stop taking damage for what felt like four or five minutes at a time, during which he'd regain what health he'd lost. Then, boom, we'd start doing damage again and the cycle would repeat.

Ah. He probably popped his stupid version of Unstoppable. It literally puts him at 100% Smash/Lethal. You need either a Psi character or a really reliable /Rad.

I don't think so I am sure the developers are aware that the is a large population of players who like to do things solo and I think they will keep that in mind when doing future Incarnate stuff. (Of course I could be wrong.....its been known to happen alot).

In my case, I don't come to the forums to complain about how hard the mission is. If I think it really isn't something I can manage, I usually follow one of three paths - I'll autocomplete the mission (or auto-fail in the case of the ones that need X number of people to click on something before the timer runs out.) If it's not a Story mission, I'll simply drop it, and remember to avoid it in the future. Or I'll set it aside and outlevel the heck out of it, and come back to curbstomp the EB when I'm five levels higher than they are.

My friends list currently has two, possibly three active players. I have no desire to expand that at the moment. Just about all my attempts at joining PUGs have been, at best, less than enjoyable. (I seem to have a special talent for joining groups led by Build Nazis, or immature slime puddles that think that the custom "hip thrust" macro is the coolest thing ever.) And my playstyle isn't compatible with most of the PUGs I've tried - my builds aren't uber, and I'll often actually take the time to read through the mission dialogue and clues. (Most of my Masterminds have personal attacks, and perhaps three characters out of almost fifty have Hasten. And one of those is a cheetah.)

I don't, however expect every mission to be solo-friendly. I fully recognize that I'll never take part in a Hamidon raid, and that I'll never attempt most of the TFs. However, I DO object to the idea that entire game systems should be team only. For the Alpha slot, this has turned out to not be the case - the intro arc can be done solo, even by my less than ideal characters. (Honestly, I find Trapdoor and the Honoree to be far less annoying than most of the Freedom Phalanx. Although I do wish that the portals had a population cap - thirty or forty Rikti from a single portal seems a little unnecessary.) My concern with future Incarnate slots is that they will be locked behind a mandatory TF, rather than a mission arc. I played another MMO that followed the "You must be at least this uber to enter Tier 3" model, and I pretty much quit playing it when I hit that point.

The simple fact is, I don't want to team up. When I hit something I can't solo, it's usually easier to simply drop the mission than to go and make a team for the sole purpose of getting past it.

*Edit* I haven't tried the arc since the recent patch though. The only way I got past Trapdoor was to pull him away from the clones, or focus on killing the clones until they stopped and then finishing Trapdoor. Since neither is apparently an option now, it appears I'll be stopping with just the two Incarnates. Even most of my melee characters aren't optimized builds, and trying to kill an EB with Hyper Regen is just frustrating, even on a high DPS character.

Apex and Tin Mage don't have anything to do with Incarnates either. Plus, we're just going to be repeating them.

Your complaint makes no sense.

So far, ONLY the Ramiel Arc (and the Origin of Power arc) have anything at all to do with Incarnates. Both of these are soloable.


My point is, there really is no such thing as "Incarnate content".

The only sense in which Apex and Tin Mage are "Incarnate content" is that they are harder than most other content and require the unlock of the Alpha slot to participate in.

We are going to repeat them over and over.



You seem to be saying you want new level 50 soloable story arcs that drops shards FASTER than teaming content so that you can attain shards closer to the speed with which a teaming toon does. You want these arcs to be somewhat harder than standard arcs and you want to have to have done Ramiel's arc to unlock them.

Well, give it up. They are never going to let you earn team rewards solo at anywhere close to the same speed. And why should they?

They may add more 45-50 arc content. However I seriously doubt they will force you to have an Alpha slot to do it.

Killing the clones is still totally an option. Pulling or knocking him into the lava also helps.

This is seriously one of the EASIEST EB fights in the game to solo.

People complaining about are DOING IT WRONG.

That is not petulance, it's a fact.

I haven't experienced it since the patch. But the notes specifically state that the clones will no longer stop spawning. And with the two characters that fought him, I didn't have the DPS to kill the clone *and* do any significant damage to Trapdoor before the next one popped up. On my Controller, I only beat him at all by dragging him down the hallway - if I stopped to kill a clone, by the time it was gone he'd have gained nearly all of his health back. Knocking him into the lava wasn't an option for either of my characters that did complete this, due to their total lack of knockback. As one is a Mastermind (and zombies are flammable) and the other a Plant Controller who ran in with the Flytrap active, pulling him into the lava wasn't really an easy option. And no, I can't use the veteran staff attacks, because I won't have them for at least another year.

As I said, I managed to finish the fight, but that was in it's "broken" state, and I only did so by methods which are no longer apparently viable. (If you can't one-shot the clones, killing them isn't viable if it gives him time to heal back all the damage you've done. Which, on most of my characters, it probably would.) I don't expect them to change the fight, other than to remove any other "not working as intended" solutions. However, I don't plan to attempt it again, either.

If you can't kill the clones VERY quickly then there is something wrong with your build (for the purposes of soloing, it might be a great team build) or your approach. They are weak. Extremely weak. This arc can only be done by 50s. If you can't defeat the clones quickly then how do you do tips or radios? The clones are no more powerful than any normal mob anywhere.

Honestly that had to be the way you approached it. I ran it on my widow who has all common IO's with the exception of Mind Link which is frankenslotted with Def/Rech IO's and had no problems. I ran right up to Trapdoor, hit ML then proceded to drop him well before ML dropped. The mish was set on +0/x2 btw.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Did it tonight on first my Widow then my Warshade.

On the Widow he summoned a clone right as I went in, I found it, killed it, then went back to him, when he was at about half health he summoned another clone, I killed it then killed him.

I used Oranges and Reds.

Letting him summon lots of clones is just silly.

Was on +2/x3. She's mostly lvl 30 common IOs, a few specials like Steadfast +Def and Miracle +Rec. No sets though. She has Elude, also she has Tough.

Beats the hell out of me, then, because my Widow (all SOs except for one power) ran right up to him and couldn't do a damn thing to him. When did you do this?

Silly, you say? Silly? That's your opinion, sir or madam! I suppose you are entitled to it. I, however, happen to think more highly of our beloved devs. Sure, Trapdoor's ability to summon a seemingly infinite supply of regen-buffing clones may seem to smack of overkill at first glance, but clearly it's part of a greater plan to maximize each and every players' maximum level of fun. Don't you understand how difficult it is for the devs to create a challenge that will challenge all players without challenging any of them beyond their capacity for challenge? Don't you care about all the hours of testing and retesting, all the 'Hey, try this!' and 'Aw, hell, that doesn't work!' and 'Woo hoo, got it!' the devs must have put into creating not just this character, but this mission, this arc, this entire system? Just stop for a moment, stop right there where you are right now, and think of it. All the sweating! The slaving! The sacrificing! All just for us. And why? So that we can, for a brief, shining moment or two, or three, maybe four if we are unemployed or on vacation or independently wealthy, in which case five would not be unlikely, set aside our real lives, whether fulfilling or not, pleasantly overflowing with sunshine and roses or drab and dreary and drenched in self-deprecating gloom or just sort of going on and on in a monotonously monochromatic gray funk, and have a little fun and be entertained, all for a very small and reasonable fee. So, no, sir (or madam). I don't think it's 'silly' at all, and I, for one, will not sit here and listen to you badmouth our beloved devs!

Gentlemen!

No, it's not. It's your opinion.

He is easy with some builds, annoying with others. High single target damage types cannot kill him without killing his spawns which spawn all over the place without end now. It takes a long time to do this mission in those situations.

It's boring and it sucks.

His clones pop up all over the room and you have to go get them. Meanwhile he regens from the other clones present.

Your assumptions are wearying.

Big deal. He was easy for my warshade and my Mastermind. My stalker and scrapper it was annoying. I didn't let him summon the clones he just gets to over and over and you have to go kill each of them or he will out-regen any damage you can do.

Stop making assumptions and opinions on something you have barely bothered to test on multiple characters and builds.

You want to say he is easy for warshades and widows? Fine. I agree. But that does not mean he is easy for everyone else. It is either easy or crap depending on the character not the player.

That boggles my mind. I've never faced more than five, and probably usually less than three. I've taken him down with as few as one produced.

I wasn't under the impression that he stopped producing them, either. The really low Bifurcation count occurrences were on characters who were stomping his face in.

That's the result of four defeats with two trips to the Hospital. He's a busy little beaver, our friend Trapdoor.

Aha.

I have to say, I would find that thoroughly annoying. I mean, in a realism sense, it makes sense he'd keep churning them out, but it's a rude surprise for coming back from the hospital to find he's been bifurcating all that time.

And that somehow sounds dirty.