Massively Antisocial-player Online RPG?
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Afterimage,
Posted on: 2010-12-12 13:48 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I've never failed to defeat Trapdoor without problem, and I still think it's a bad idea to take away tactics from players that need them to defeat him.
Just because I'm awesome doesn't mean I need to go around crowing that other people aren't.
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Other than the 'neener neener!' factor seen previously with the Isolator badge in RV. |
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
I have no problem with them adding the content (Rameil arc) and new tfs, what I take issue with was the need to remove the OTHER ways of starting on the Incarnate path. There was NO NEED to remove those. At all.
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Never forget. Isolator! ISOLATOR!
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Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
This is why I hate people. And why, frankly, I have no desire at all to ever team with you or people like you. I wouldn't associate with you in real-life; why should I be forced to associate you in a game?
Statesman tried to sell this game as a "team game", and the customers he got made a pretty clear message that they were sick of "team games" and wanted to feel a bit more super while playing at superheroes - so the dev team got it right when they designed villains, making the ATs far more "stand on your own". As long as he was here, however, he kept trying to push that "team game" concept, and it never took hold. He's gone now, and the game's better than it's ever been. The era of "team game" is long past, and it's high time folks stopped trying to use that as an excuse to be jerks to people that disagree with them. |
Wow, you really need to lighten up. You're more like the people you hate (and what strong word that is) than you know.
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I19 disagrees with you |
Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
The era of "team game" is long past
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@Golden Girl
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MMOs are always team games. That's why they're MMOs. The second M is Multiplayer. There has been stuff in this game that I have simply been unable to solo no matter how many purples and reds I've gobbled. If you want to solo all content exclusively, you're frankly playing the wrong sort of game.
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What a boring world you must live in, where the second M doesn't stand for Marshmallow |
Originally Posted by Scythus
The second M is Multiplayer.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
*pauses, realizes this means there's a chance of encountering GG on a team*
*runs around flailing like a muppet* |
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Going solo is your only escape
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I mean, if that's true, then he could always hide out villain side.
There I was between a rock and a hard place. Then I thought, "What am I doing on this side of the rock?"
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I'd be lurking in the co-op zones, waiting for him |
Originally Posted by Twisted Toon
Aren't you the one that doesn't play villains?
I mean, if that's true, then he could always hide out villain side. |
@Golden Girl
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It is, and I do. I play 'single player' 99.9% of the time I'm logged on.|
Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
The simple fact is that this is an MMO... Massively Multi-Player Online Game - if it was a Massively Single Player game you'd maybe have a point.
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The reality is that lots of people like to solo. Maybe at some point in the distant past the "multi player" in the genre's acronym referred to teaming, but currently it means little more than "there are lots of other people sharing the game world, who you can choose to interact with, or not."
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| The basic premise is that it's a team game and if your schedule doesn't fit that then it sucks to be you. |
it was conceived, marketed and sold and has been maintained for many years as a 'solo friendly' alternative to the 'forced teaming' model of a prior generation.
There's a reason such a minute portion of the content actually requires a team.
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| As for your point that it's more players beat a tighter community - that's highly debatable: |
I'm not sure why you're in such a hissy in the first place.
My original post noted the comedy of anyone whining about needing to get some help in a game where nearly everything is eminently soloable.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Teaming is where it's at
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I think you've gone to a bit of a silly extreme there. In fact, I tend to agree with that conclusion even though I'm a solo player. Personally, I would never try to talk the devs into making TFs that currently require teams soloable. But that doesn't prevent me and other soloists from urging the devs to make certain standard (theoretically soloable) missions more solo friendly. It also doesn't prevent people like Samuel Tow from asking for soloable Incarnate content alongside the Incarnate TFs.
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Originally Posted by Scythus
If you want to solo all content exclusively, you're frankly playing the wrong sort of game.
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It's true. i spend a lot of time doing co-op content. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I'd be lurking in the co-op zones, waiting for him
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i make stuff...
Ya know, I was just playing some other... er... online thing, and when I talked to my contact for the the next mission in the storyline I was following, he offered me TWO WAYS to continue:
Go Kick Some Booty: Team
Go Kick Some Booty: Solo
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If part of the complaints have already gone to that silly extreme, I'm not the one who took the trip.
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Originally Posted by Mirai
I think you've gone to a bit of a silly extreme there.
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I must have missed whatever it is you're referring to.
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Originally Posted by Scythus
If part of the complaints have already gone to that silly extreme, I'm not the one who took the trip.
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Sorry, I think my sentence was unclear. I hate all people, not specific people. |
Originally Posted by Crimson Vanquisher
Wow, you really need to lighten up. You're more like the people you hate (and what strong word that is) than you know. |
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Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
Sorry, I think my sentence was unclear. I hate all people, not specific people.
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@Golden Girl
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I recommend reading some of Tenzhi's posts earlier in the thread.|
Originally Posted by Mirai
I must have missed whatever it is you're referring to.
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There's also your own post.
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Originally Posted by Mirai
If I can't get through a standard mission with my ubermegasoloer, then there's a nasty bug that needs to get fixed.
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I'm still not seeing it. Nowhere did I say I want to solo all content, and in fact I've been consistently saying otherwise. I wasn't including TFs when I referred to standard mission content. (And I certainly wasn't including things like Hamidon.)|
Originally Posted by Scythus
I recommend reading some of Tenzhi's posts earlier in the thread.
There's also your own post. |
I'm pretty sure Tenzhi was also referring to soloability of standard mission content and not TFs.
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Read it again.|
Originally Posted by Mirai
I'm still not seeing it. Nowhere did I say I want to solo all content, and in fact I've been consistently saying otherwise. I wasn't including TFs when I referred to standard mission content. (And I certainly wasn't including things like Hamidon.)
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You called something being hard while soloing a bug. That's a silly extreme.
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No, I was not calling something being hard a bug. I was calling a bug a bug. For example, if I go into a standard mission and find myself facing a +8 lieutenant (which has happened to me in the past), there's a bug. Outside of the obvious bugs, which have been acknowledged as bugs and fixed, my top soloer has never been unable to complete a standard mission solo. (Although I'm counting failing or auto-completing as completing.)
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Originally Posted by Scythus
Read it again.
You called something being hard while soloing a bug. That's a silly extreme. |
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No one mentioned +8 liuetenants. The argument has been mostly about EBs and how some can be rather tough for some people. Ergo, it merely seems like you're trying to save face by changing details.
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Originally Posted by Mirai
No, I was not calling something being hard a bug. I was calling a bug a bug. For example, if I go into a standard mission and find myself facing a +8 lieutenant (which has happened to me in the past), there's a bug. Outside of the obvious bugs, which have been acknowledged as bugs and fixed, my top soloer has never been unable to complete a standard mission solo.
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Bugged or not, if something is hard even for an ubermegasoloer, it's still okay to ask for help. (-:
The problem is that stopping him from bifrucating (ANY WAY you can) I DON'T see as an exploit. Also NOT ONCE in beta was it mentioned by any dev that pulling him into the hall was a bug. (Unless I missed a dev post or it was said in game, those who were in I19 beta can correct me if I missed it). That's a whole OTHER issue.
If it had been the beta testers could have tested it and the mission could have launched with that tatic missing. By not mentioning it, it's assumed its working as intended. (At least for me).
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