Re: Sister Psyche and Manticore

So much awesome

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Now you see, this is why I wish I could be allowed to rewrite longbow, I'd have Ms. Liberty booted as the (official) leader, and give longbow a real story that progresses with your villain.
When you first meet them on Mercy Island, they're a relief organization, they're offering food to the homeless of the Isles, rebuilding buildings for people to live and work in, and even offering people a chance to leave the Isles as refugees.
Using present game technology, they'd all have yellow reticules and be armed with light weaponry (more tools than actual weapons), and probably, in the zone, all spawn as underlings.
This would make for your first real test as a villain. On mercy Island, everything but your contacts and people in the Arachnos fort have tried to kill you just for walking by. And here's this group that are supposed to be 'meddlesome' heroes who are letting you go and even begging you to just let them help the poor and broken...
And then you kill them for easy EXP and loot, as well as crush the hopes of the people they were helping. (So you basically are given the choice to be as nasty as Westin Phipps from level 1 in a way that abuses player psychology of seeking maximum rewards with the least effort!)
As levels progress, Longbow would become more and more militant. They go from guys in red and white shirts, to looking like SWAT officers and national guard militia, missions with them change in tone, gradually, they become more and more interested in taking you down as you kill more and more of their ranks.
Finally, by the time you're in your level 40s, Longbow has a base off the cost of Granville (serving as sort of a hazard zone), there's a lot of desperate people they could be helping, but because of your actions driving them to extremes, they now only want you and all villains dead or in jail, and are even using the battered bodies of their fallen to operate their own versions of Malta Titans. (who may greet you with such cheery dialogue like: "HELLO [CHARACTER], REMEMBER ME?")

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.

But she could still visit him in the Zig

You're making a big assumption that Malta agents are just sent to the Zig.
Thinking about it, do you EVER encounter a named Malta agent twice outside of tips and radios/newspapers? (At least blueside)

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.

But the Zig is the most secure prison in—HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... oh my god, I almost said that with a straight face.

I don't think so - which means that they must be locked up safely in the Zig.

*chuckle*
And Longbow flamethrowers are actually spraying cotton candy.

Make. It. So!

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Not to mention the fact that the Rikti are NOT like your standard Hellions or Skulls or Outcasts. There is pretty much NO WAY you are going to discourage them from their goals without lethal force! In that instance, killing IS justified.

glad you both like it. The idea occurred to me when people were complaining about how a lot of longbow feels like the Canadian Council. (which I think is inaccurate. They're Canadian Council AND CREY)
But one of the amusing things is that I had imagined one these "revamped longbow minions" who wouldn't really be much of a fighter would attack you with a flare gun, the flare gun would deal minor fire damage, but put a taunt aura on you that would draw the attention of the whole damn room.
Months later, we get GR and the ghouls, and lo and behold, look at what Painted Ones can do.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.

This actually illustrates a level of hypocrisy that you often find with comic book "no-kill" policies. They are nearly always inherently species-ist.

The X-Men, in general, have a no-kill policy, though Wolverine is allowed to kill (mostly in solo adventures) and the policy is being bent beyond recognition in the current X-Force series. However, that no-kill policy seems to extend only to those of human origin and aliens who are very humanlike in appearance. The X-Men, not just Wolverine, have killed a great number of Brood and Sidrians, very non-human alien types, and a fair number of N'Garai demons over the years, all of whom have demonstrated the ability of rational thought. Batman, who has probably the oldest specifically stated no-kill policy, has also been shown to destroy non-human aliens and supernatural creatures like vampires and demons, at least during the Silver Age.

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The Rikti, while human in origin, certainly fit the non-human alien horde exception to most comic no-kill policies in appearance.

You also rescue "The Justifier", a Devoured hero. "You will be remade within the Hamidon as I was!"

You really have something, and I hope a redname looks at it. Have you ever thought of making some AE arcs to demonstrate how such Longbow changes would look?

How about using nuclear missiles?

I submit the following into evidence:

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Well then, with that thought, everyones killing everyone.

Fact is...those flamethrowers ARE NOT LETHAL as the ones they're using them on, can take it.

And nothing in this game has shown the ones they use it on, can't take it.

Or go that route...then every Fire using hero is a killer as well. You can't have it both ways. One fire user doesnt kill, while the other does. They both burn, they both have the same effect.

CoH lore...is just...truthfully...terrible. It really can't be helped though, seeing as how it's an MMO. No offense to the writers who write some excellent arcs, but you really can't do full lore in this type of situation and have it all work and cover the masses.

As for Manticore. The Wyvern aren't operating in the US. What exactly is she going to do?

Also, those who keep complaining about Longbow. Enough. People moan about Longbow going into the Isles, but seem to easily forget, Arachnos going into the US.

If you were to complain about anything about the Longbow, it should be the story arcs, where they make the Longbow (just another registered SG basically) have any sort of authority over the heroes of the city.

Because those who say to use logic, that a Flame thrower has to kill, don't want to use logic, that the psychopathic killing hero, wouldn't be stopped by the non killing heroes, as a badge doesnt give one the right to outright kill people.

And killing someone with a battleaxe, because they shot a gun at you, when you're invulnerable and can just stand there and take it, means really, you were in no danger, they posed no threat.

Basically it's a logic arguement that can't win on either side, because the devs will never implement open world PvP, and also not likely to put in a "kill them all" button "kill them when they start to beable to kill me" button, or a "never kill" button, to effect your morality.

Non-killing hero: "Will you stop stabbing me?!"

All you said here is "it doesn't matter." So I ask again - why can't I write my heroes however I please without other people trying to re-write them for me when I'm not trying to re-write their heroes for them?

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

No, no! It's fire, all right, but it's Friendly Fire! It has a special component that detects evil and only harms those with actual evil intent, and even then it only amounts to a mild slap on the wrist. If it hits someone who is good it turns into Healing Flames.

Blue Battler (the very first one) is an Assault Rifle/Fire Blaster. I used to tell my teammates not to worry because he was armed with magic bullets that only hurt bad guys.