Listing order prevails when all other factors are equal. It is a FIFO system.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Listing order prevails when all other factors are equal. It is a FIFO system.
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And then come back to us with your theory on how to corner the market for PvP IOs that cost $2 billion.
Seriously, still waiting
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I believe that this is not correct. When all other factors are equal (ie. same bid price), the sale goes to a random bidder (as long as it is higher or equal to the seller's ask).|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Listing order prevails when all other factors are equal. It is a FIFO system.
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I would like to see your evidence regarding all the information that you've gotten regarding the market. Most of it hasn't been correct.
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No it isn't. We tested it and it was documented years ago by peterpeter.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Listing order prevails when all other factors are equal. It is a FIFO system.
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
It's pseudorandom but consistent- that is, if you have exactly the same number of bids at exactly the same amount, and you dump in some items, the bids will fill in exactly the same order.
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This is false and it is simple to verify that it is false.|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Listing order prevails when all other factors are equal. It is a FIFO system.
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Find an inactive niche of something with no outstanding bids. Buy 20 of that item.
Put up two blocks of 10 of that item at a certain price. Note that one offer goes in earlier than the other.
Go to another character and bid on 10 of that item at your asking price.
Go to the original character and see that you almost certainly made sales from both offer blocks. (Note: it is *possible* to sell all from one block, but that should be at a probability of 1 / (2 ^10) ).
Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a *real* useful invention. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...t-sarcasm.html
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your facts are useless here, little man!|
Originally Posted by swellguy
no it isn't. We tested it and it was documented years ago by peterpeter.
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=p
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
your facts are useless here, little man!
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Colbert makes talking like that look easy.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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This has been tested more than once and it is not true
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Listing order prevails when all other factors are equal. It is a FIFO system.
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Remember, Truthiness is believing what FEELS right, irrelevant of the facts. Truth and Truthiness are only related in the sense that the first 5 letters in each are the same. 
I think the OP is more on the side of Truthiness than Truth.
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I wonder what brave new rant the OP will concoct in defense of the poor Casual Gamer in light of today's Incarnate system revelations.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
I wonder what brave new rant the OP will concoct in defense of the poor Casual Gamer in light of today's Incarnate system revelations.
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Well, if it's anything like GR the components will be untradeable. Which is a pity because I'm sure if they weren't the OP would explain how the ebil marketeers are jacking up the prices on those.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
I wonder what brave new rant the OP will concoct in defense of the poor Casual Gamer in light of today's Incarnate system revelations.
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No, it doesn't. This has been carefully tested and the order is not listing order, although it does seem to be moderately predictable. (People did an extensive set of experiments with 10 people listing and buying stuff at fixed prices, coordinating through a global channel.)
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Listing order prevails when all other factors are equal. It is a FIFO system.
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Hate to derail a thread with such awesomesauce spilled on it, but Incarnate system looks very cool. Gonna really be interesting to see what can be done with this.
BTW, You can actually make a lot of money just playing and selling what you get. I got a level 19 DP/MM who has 19 million and that is just from crafting what he got and selling salvage for more that vendor prices.
(ok he got lucky and got a couple of really good recipes. But that was only about 10 million of it.)
Yeah. Pretty sure I never used the word evil. in fact, other than my unedited sarcasm, I have tried to be pretty respectful here. Mainly because I believe everyone should be treated with respect. That is because I respect myself. It is my opinion that those who insult, put down, and generally try to make someone else feel less than are themselves suffering from inferiority complexes.
Now, as far as market manipulation goes, I do in fact believe people are manipulating "farming" the market and driving up prices.
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Could you elaborate? I have no idea what you mean by this statement.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Now, as far as market manipulation goes, I do in fact believe people are manipulating "farming" the market and driving up prices. |
Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a *real* useful invention. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...t-sarcasm.html
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This has been experimentally shown to be untrue.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Listing order prevails when all other factors are equal. It is a FIFO system.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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People who have tried to do what you are talking about are less likely to agree with you than people who have never tried and only speculate about it.|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Now, as far as market manipulation goes, I do in fact believe people are manipulating "farming" the market and driving up prices.
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For the most part, marketeers stabilize supply and stabilize prices at the market equilibrium. If they deviate too far from the market equilibrium price, they lose money.
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Originally Posted by all_hell
People who have tried to do what you are talking about are less likely to agree with you than people who have never tried and only speculate about it.
For the most part, marketeers stabilize supply and stabilize prices at the market equilibrium. If they deviate too far from the market equilibrium price, they lose money. |
Okay, this is confusing. A good percentage of posters to this thread have been yelling at me to shut up and start making money in the market by finding my own "niche" and farming it.
Farming isn't necessary to earn money. Run high level content to get merits, run AE mission arcs to get tickets, make friends in game (believe it or not, many people have craploads of cash that they wouldn't mind giving to a friend to help them out), enter costume contests, play the market, etc.
And then on top of everything else, remember that you don't need those hyper-expensive enchancements, and that you can get the same or similar results by using less expensive ones.
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You have an awesome name.
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Originally Posted by SuperFerret
Farming isn't necessary to earn money. Run high level content to get merits, run AE mission arcs to get tickets, make friends in game (believe it or not, many people have craploads of cash that they wouldn't mind giving to a friend to help them out), enter costume contests, play the market, etc.
And then on top of everything else, remember that you don't need those hyper-expensive enchancements, and that you can get the same or similar results by using less expensive ones. |
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You say this like it's supposed to mean something. I'm a 48 month vet. What's your point?|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
i am a 42 month Vet.
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| I am saying, there is no feasible way for anyone to get one toon fully tricked out with purples and PvP enhancers unless they (blah, blah, blah...) |
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| So, the Devs have set up this situation. the Devs need to fix it. Most people want to spend 3-6 months on one toon, and have something way cool to show for it. if the Devs do not get that then they need to have a serious conference style think tank day. |
Try settling for (slightly) less, as others have already recommended. You'll enjoy yourself more.
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If we were driving up prices, how come all the stuff I used to buy for 20M, craft, and sell for 50M, now is "buy for 2M, sell for 10M?" [Example: Impervium Armor End/Res. I still have a couple of those listed for 32 million somewhere, I think. Also Decimation Dam/Rech. ] Or "buy for 10, sell for 20" where it used to be "buy for 50, sell for 80?" [Celerity: Stealth] Or "buy for 30, sell for 40" where it was "buy for 45, sell for 70?" [Numina: Healing ]|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Yeah. Pretty sure I never used the word evil. in fact, other than my unedited sarcasm, I have tried to be pretty respectful here. Mainly because I believe everyone should be treated with respect. That is because I respect myself. It is my opinion that those who insult, put down, and generally try to make someone else feel less than are themselves suffering from inferiority complexes.
Now, as far as market manipulation goes, I do in fact believe people are manipulating "farming" the market and driving up prices. |
If we're manipulating prices, we're doing a really, really bad job of it. Must be all those damn competitors.
EDIT: The exact numbers may not be right above. They're off the top of my head. But those are all niches that collapsed on me recently. Any niche profitable enough for me is profitable enough for someone to undercut me.
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The OP is so awesome, that I decided to go back and read all his posts I couild find that are still on the forums. And in doing so, I found a new sig!
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